RX 7600 turned out to have worse performance improvement than I had expected. 2-4% better perf than RX6650XT? That's pathetic.
Well, the RDNA3 architectural changes (namely dual FP32 and higher clocks) were supposed to be substantial by themselves.
As it is now dual FP32 doesn't seem to do anything and without a process advantage it doesn't even seem to clock much higher on desktop than RDNA2 can.
I still think that the go chiplet crazy strategy was far too risky. A 6nm monolith Navi32 able to perform closer to 6800 with 12GB or better still 16GB at maybe $350 would have sold very well IMO.
Yeah, it sure does look like RDNA3 is the main issue here. Improvements are so underwhelming that it's pretty clear that something is not working properly. Honestly, I'm not sure why they even bothered with this...How are chiplets the problem? N33 is monolithic and it performs the same as N23. That is the problem, not chiplets.
The problem is that RDNA 3 performs about the same as RDNA 2. Not chiplets.
I see zero evidence that chiplets are causing issues.
That is my point: N33 and N32 should both have been monoliths. At least a monolith N32 would have the advantage of a lower BOM . As Navi33 is a about 15% smaller than Navi23, so a monolith N32 on 6nm might have been around 290mm² - a size where yields should still have been good - ergo chiplets don't really save anything especially once packaging costs and the higher power overhead are take into account.How are chiplets the problem? N33 is monolithic and it performs the same as N23. That is the problem, not chiplets.
The problem is that RDNA 3 performs about the same as RDNA 2. Not chiplets.
I see zero evidence that chiplets are causing issues.
That is my point: N33 and N32 should both have been monoliths. At least a monolith N32 would have the advantage of a lower BOM . As Navi33 is a about 15% smaller than Navi23, so a monolith N32 on 6nm might have been around 290mm² - a size where yields should still have been good - ergo chiplets don't really save anything especially once packaging costs and the higher power overhead are take into account.
If N32 ever gets released we might be able to compare, but to me chiplets make a lot of sense for bigger parts (and Navi31 was too small IMO) but far less for smaller parts. N32 just seems less risky as a monolith to me. With TSMC charging less for 6nm, an optimised RDNA3 port of N22 to 6nm able to sell for less with a bit better perf/watt, improved codec and display output plus re-worked RT sounds like a very sensible part.
Indirectly, to me it feel they put all the R&D preparing the chiplets and left most of the rest untouched.How are chiplets the problem?
My 6600XT maxes out at 130W. This card is the 💩 I expected. Good to see reviewers suddenly "discovering" the 6700 still exist, at least here in the U.S. and cost the same money. That's why I said this card was pointless when I saw the specs. It is AMD, so there might be a little fine wine in the tank, but nothing is going to save this turd.It's nearly 50% more power usage compared to my bench 6600s which according to the AMD overlay top out at 100W out of the box.
As far as I can tell this forum has raged at every card released this gen because the price/performance isn't good enough (other then 4090 perhaps) and given it a do not buy stamp.As much as we hate Nvidia for their trash 4000 series, this pretty clearly shows AMD isn't our friend either. Probably never see another legit midrange release like the RX 480 8GB for $240 again.
My 6600XT maxes out at 130W. This card is the 💩 I expected. Good to see reviewers suddenly "discovering" the 6700 still exist, at least here in the U.S. and cost the same money. That's why I said this card was pointless when I saw the specs. It is AMD, so there might be a little fine wine in the tank, but nothing is going to save this turd.
No we don't. We can refuse to acquiesce and not buy this garbage gen.At some point you just have to accept that's how much they all cost these days and get on with it.
Especially with new old stock still sitting on the shelves of RDNA2. It's unclear if they will even discontinue it soon because it's on essentially the same silicon as RDNA3.No we don't. We can refuse to acquiesce and not buy this garbage gen.
As far as I can tell this forum has raged at every card released this gen because the price/performance isn't good enough (other then 4090 perhaps) and given it a do not buy stamp.
The problem is every card from both AMD and Nvidia fits into that same pricing structure. You can't treat every card like it's the dud outlier. At some point you just have to accept that's how much they all cost these days and get on with it.
Yeah it's a crap generation the whole way around just like the time before when a crypto boom shot gpu prices to the moon in 2018 and raised the baseline for prices in the successive gen where $150 GTX 50 series become the GTX 1660 Super at $230, $250 GTX 60 series became the RTX 2060 at $350, RX 80 series that was $240 became the RX 5700 XT at $400, etc. It's why I bought last year knowing the new gen was going to be a repeat of trash value we saw in 2019 after the 2018 crypto boom.As far as I can tell this forum has raged at every card released this gen because the price/performance isn't good enough (other then 4090 perhaps) and given it a do not buy stamp.
The problem is every card from both AMD and Nvidia fits into that same pricing structure. You can't treat every card like it's the dud outlier. At some point you just have to accept that's how much they all cost these days and get on with it.
My 6600XT maxes out at 130W. This card is the 💩 I expected. Good to see reviewers suddenly "discovering" the 6700 still exist, at least here in the U.S. and cost the same money. That's why I said this card was pointless when I saw the specs. It is AMD, so there might be a little fine wine in the tank, but nothing is going to save this turd.
Not anymore. Newegg appears to be running out of 6700 but they do have one left. It is $304.
WTF M8? The same model is still on Newegg directly from XFX shipped by Newegg for the same $279.99 price
https://www.newegg.com/xfx-radeon-rx-6700-rx-67xlkwfdv/p/N82E16814150874?quicklink=true
That is a fact. I have learned to not exclude manufacturers when shopping there.Ah I had filtered by "Sold by Newegg". You know how many sketchy third party sellers they have.
This is the exact mentality nVidia and AMD want the consumer to have. And if the consumer continues to purchase GPUs with this lack of generational improvement and rising cost they will continue to milk every last penny from the consumer's backside. At some point the consumer has to take a stand.As far as I can tell this forum has raged at every card released this gen because the price/performance isn't good enough (other then 4090 perhaps) and given it a do not buy stamp.
The problem is every card from both AMD and Nvidia fits into that same pricing structure. You can't treat every card like it's the dud outlier. At some point you just have to accept that's how much they all cost these days and get on with it.
This doesn't sound sensible at all.That is my point: N33 and N32 should both have been monoliths. At least a monolith N32 would have the advantage of a lower BOM . As Navi33 is a about 15% smaller than Navi23, so a monolith N32 on 6nm might have been around 290mm² - a size where yields should still have been good - ergo chiplets don't really save anything especially once packaging costs and the higher power overhead are take into account.
If N32 ever gets released we might be able to compare, but to me chiplets make a lot of sense for bigger parts (and Navi31 was too small IMO) but far less for smaller parts. N32 just seems less risky as a monolith to me. With TSMC charging less for 6nm, an optimised RDNA3 port of N22 to 6nm able to sell for less with a bit better perf/watt, improved codec and display output plus re-worked RT sounds like a very sensible part.