They are treating us like the proverbial frogs in the pot.
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They are treating us like the proverbial frogs in the pot.This is the exact mentality nVidia and AMD want the consumer to have. And if the consumer continues to purchase GPUs with this lack of generational improvement and rising cost they will continue to milk every last penny from the consumer's backside. At some point the consumer has to take a stand.
Indirectly, to me it feel they put all the R&D preparing the chiplets and left most of the rest untouched.
So next round, maybe?
That is my point: N33 and N32 should both have been monoliths. At least a monolith N32 would have the advantage of a lower BOM . As Navi33 is a about 15% smaller than Navi23, so a monolith N32 on 6nm might have been around 290mm² - a size where yields should still have been good - ergo chiplets don't really save anything especially once packaging costs and the higher power overhead are take into account.
With the N33, it is pretty obvious that it is not the chiplet design, that is a flop but the RDNA3 design in it self.Cache/IO scaling blows on N5, and N3E has no scaling at all. I wouldn't be surprised if the MCD are reused for RDNA4.
What are they going to do - make a new gpu company and start pumping out gpu's at a lower margin for the common good? Realistically neither "the consumer" nor people on this forum will do anything. Pricing is what it is.This is the exact mentality nVidia and AMD want the consumer to have. And if the consumer continues to purchase GPUs with this lack of generational improvement and rising cost they will continue to milk every last penny from the consumer's backside. At some point the consumer has to take a stand.
The MCDs don't appear to be the culprit for RDNA3's lack of performance anyways, so I agree that AMD should focus their efforts on the GCD.Cache/IO scaling blows on N5, and N3E has no scaling at all. I wouldn't be surprised if the MCD are reused for RDNA4.
RDNA3 reminds me of Bulldozer's "dual" cores that didn't really work either.
If you are not first, you're last. AMD has always been a good clip behind Nvidia in the GPU segment. The last time they offered a compelling value was the RDNA 1 5700 and 5700xt based on price and performance. Which is probably why people still talk about the performance of the 5700xt on this forum regularly.Aside from AMD humiliating themselves again with a last minute price change, I feel that the reviews are a bit too harsh?
Reviewers forgot that this is the 7600 non-xt? I got the impression they were expecting the performance from the 7700 line.
The price could still be lower but I think they have to accept that those old prices will never come back.
Reviewers forgot that this is the 7600 non-xt?
Do you know if Newegg has a 30-day price policy? I bought that one 5/6, for $379.Honestly though, the MSI 6750XT for $330 -$10 MIR is the deal of the day https://www.newegg.com/msi-rx-6750-xt-mech-2x-12g-oc/p/N82E16814137735?quicklink=true
My 6600XT maxes out at 130W. This card is the 💩 I expected. Good to see reviewers suddenly "discovering" the 6700 still exist, at least here in the U.S. and cost the same money. That's why I said this card was pointless when I saw the specs. It is AMD, so there might be a little fine wine in the tank, but nothing is going to save this turd.
Plus a code for The Last of Us, which plays great at 1440p on my 6700 XT much less the 6750 XT.Honestly though, the MSI 6750XT for $330 -$10 MIR is the deal of the day https://www.newegg.com/msi-rx-6750-xt-mech-2x-12g-oc/p/N82E16814137735?quicklink=true
I am saying they could have just done a real 6600 die (no cuts) on N6 months and months ago, poured that 5-10% performance uplift into the same 100W envelope and have been done with it. It would be so close to the same ball park as to be difficult to distinguish in actual games, be nearly the same die size and importantly would have been that much more profitable at $200 MSRP all the while. The RNDA2 drivers are solid and they could have done a model number bump of some sort as well. It wouldn't have changed the fact that its the best card @ $200 either, because nvidia appears very disinterested.It has about 15% smaller die than Navi 23, N6 vs. N7 to offer additional fabrication savings, and performance increase between 5% and 10%.
People saying there is no point in introducing this card are not thinking straight.
They are comparing last gen card that have been partially written off and therefore heavily discounted vs. what is sustainable and manufacturable going forward.
I am saying they could have just done a real 6600 die (no cuts) on N6 months and months ago, poured that 5-10% performance uplift into the same 100W envelope and have been done with it. It would be so close to the same ball park as to be difficult to distinguish in actual games, be nearly the same die size and importantly would have been that much more profitable at $200 MSRP all the while. The RNDA2 drivers are solid and they could have done a model number bump of some sort as well. It wouldn't have changed the fact that its the best card @ $200 either, because nvidia appears very disinterested.
The 7600 doesn't even replace this card well because it uses 50% more power, which is non-trivial. It's got a 6600xt/6650xt power budget which is a bit silly because those were already powered a bit past nominal.
The 7600 doesn't even replace this card well because it uses 50% more power, which is non-trivial. It's got a 6600xt/6650xt power budget which is a bit silly because those were already powered a bit past nominal.
I’m all for hoping, but since it is the core of RDNA3, it seems weird that their drivers aren’t able to use it at this point. :/I think AMD doesn't have their drivers in place for the feature yet. NVidia moved to this same model with Ampere (at least for FP since they already code do mixed FP/int) where they "doubled" the cores in the same way.
Obviously it doesn't double performance outside of some pure compute workloads, but there's probably at least a 10% boost for AMD to extract. My guess is that they only added it when they found out NVidia was and realized it's probably a good idea, but that leaves them playing catch-up as NVidia obviously would have spent a lot more time thinking about such a feature and how to leverage it.
Best-case scenario is that there's nothing broken in the hardware and that we get a bit of fine wine down the road when they get it all figured out well enough for the gains to show up in RDNA4.
So introduce it when most of the 6600 series stock is gone for a lower price. While there seem to be few models of the 6700 left; a card with more vram for the same money. The 6600 series is still chock-a-block. With 6600XTs and 6650XTs often going for sub $225, and the 6600 $200 sometimes $189, the 7600 value isn't there. That might not be the best deal for AMD and partners, but it is for us.It has about 15% smaller die than Navi 23, N6 vs. N7 to offer additional fabrication savings, and performance increase between 5% and 10%.
People saying there is no point in introducing this card are not thinking straight.
They are comparing last gen card that have been partially written off and therefore heavily discounted vs. what is sustainable and manufacturable going forward.
Meh, I don't agree with Tom's (Jared's) conclusions generally, but I like their data generally.AMD Radeon RX 7600 im Test: Lautstärke, Temperatur, Leistungsaufnahme und OC
AMD Radeon RX 7600 im Test: Lautstärke, Temperatur, Leistungsaufnahme und OC / Lautstärke & Kühlung / Temperaturen unter Lastwww.computerbase.de
Efficiency is pretty good, esp with only being on N6.
For all the horror stories about da egg now, I have had great experiences when I needed to contact CS.Do you know if Newegg has a 30-day price policy? I bought that one 5/6, for $379.
John
Looks like Newegg has a 30 day return policy. I asked a customer rep about a price match a while back on a nvme drive and from what I remember they gave me a promo credit that I think had an expiration date in something like 90 days? which I was ok with. It was a bit over a year ago, so the details are a bit fuzzy.Do you know if Newegg has a 30-day price policy? I bought that one 5/6, for $379.
John
Tom's has botched a few reviews lately where they had to update them. Which made them even harder to read. I put little stock in their testing at this point.Meh, I don't agree with Tom's (Jared's) conclusions generally, but I like their data generally.
I think AMD doesn't have their drivers in place for the feature yet. NVidia moved to this same model with Ampere (at least for FP since they already code do mixed FP/int) where they "doubled" the cores in the same way.
Obviously it doesn't double performance outside of some pure compute workloads, but there's probably at least a 10% boost for AMD to extract. My guess is that they only added it when they found out NVidia was and realized it's probably a good idea, but that leaves them playing catch-up as NVidia obviously would have spent a lot more time thinking about such a feature and how to leverage it.
Best-case scenario is that there's nothing broken in the hardware and that we get a bit of fine wine down the road when they get it all figured out well enough for the gains to show up in RDNA4.
AMD needed N33 for the latest generation of laptops, so they had to be put into production. And once in production and sufficient stock available, there is no point in holding back the desktop release.So introduce it when most of the 6600 series stock is gone for a lower price. While there seem to be few models of the 6700 left; a card with more vram for the same money. The 6600 series is still chock-a-block. With 6600XTs and 6650XTs often going for sub $225, and the 6600 $200 sometimes $189, the 7600 value isn't there. That might not be the best deal for AMD and partners, but it is for us.
With the 67xxXT series dropping to $320 it is even more pressure. If you can't stretch the budget, 6600 is the best value. If the prices of SSDs and DDR dropping as they have created new wiggle room in the budget, the 6700 series is the winner. They could not have picked a worse time to launch with a MSRP over $225 IMO. It's in no man's land.
By releasing it now with bad pricing, they generated more negative brand image, and left a bad taste in gamers mouths. If AMD isn't putting their foot in their mouth, they are shooting themselves in said foot.