This point is always moot. You can undervolt the 4070 too. For my use case the 4070 = less performance, less vram, more money for a quality 3 fan model, contributing to the Nvidia tax instead of boycotting it.
You may have missed it but Bethesda came out with a statement earlier today stating they will soon implement DLSS. That may be a win for Nvidia here. Personally I think the 4070 would have been better classed as a 4060 or 4050ti. The AMD card is the better value here especially if you can get it on sale. But if given the choice, I'd sooner skip any bethesda game rather than try my hand and patience with the buggy messes they deliver. I really do and sincerely hope now that Bethesda is under Microsoft they will force them to improve. Or maybe I'm a delusional old fart.Aussie Steve with his usual balanced review. 7800XT vs 4070. Gives the usual reasons for choosing either. Makes a strong point about pricing outside of the U.S. Like many of us thinks it' could be partially an availability issue.
While polls are conducted on whether or not anyone cares about ray tracing. I'd like to delve into the 25% or so that vote they do. List all of the ray tracing features and which those gamers use. For me it's reflections only. The rest of the RT effects are horrible trade offs for the performance hit IMO. And the RT shadows mostly look worse to me.
Any of you industrious enough to throw out Cyberpunk and Starfield from his averages and see what the performance differences look like without them? That is way too much like *shudders* work, for my tastes. Why? Because both are basically the poster children for the respective IHVs.
Is there a gun to your head?But if given the choice, I'd sooner skip any bethesda game rather than try my hand and patience with the buggy messes they deliver. I
For the models I looked at on Amazon, they all had free returns. The new policy states they have to be unopened and unused. So if you go with the 7900XT, don't get curious and have a peek when the 7800XT shows up.
The price in the UK is £5 difference between 7800XT (cheaper... just) & 4070. There are cheaper 7800XT's but all are out of stock & I hear restocks are few and far away, my local (B&M store where they were founded too) online place had <200 7700/7800XT's at launch, no restock until October at the earliest.Aussie Steve with his usual balanced review. 7800XT vs 4070. Gives the usual reasons for choosing either. Makes a strong point about pricing outside of the U.S. Like many of us thinks it' could be partially an availability issue.
While polls are conducted on whether or not anyone cares about ray tracing. I'd like to delve into the 25% or so that vote they do. List all of the ray tracing features and which those gamers use. For me it's reflections only. The rest of the RT effects are horrible trade offs for the performance hit IMO. And the RT shadows mostly look worse to me.
Any of you industrious enough to throw out Cyberpunk and Starfield from his averages and see what the performance differences look like without them? That is way too much like *shudders* work, for my tastes. Why? Because both are basically the poster children for the respective IHVs.
Wow, hard to believe that you would run into space issues in a HAF X.I received the 7800XT all of a sudden, before I ordered the 7900XT, so I'm keeping it. The only issue now is that I have the older Cooler Master HAF-X case which supposedly accepts GPU's up to 13.5" in length. I took the XFX out and measured it and it's 13.25". I test put it in there, and it doesn't fit, it hits the HDD cage that's riveted in. I have 3 HHD's in there, so I either get creative with the Dremel this weekend as I plan for a new case anyway this year, or get a new case early. I have lots of room under a desk hence I don't mind a 50 pound full tower case and have not replaced mine yet because it's been great to this day.
The XFX 7800XT Merc is long, but it looks to me like they could have taken a good .75" off the aluminum shroud as it just sticks out like a tail, ugh. I don't have time after work during the week, so it will be a fun weekend project.
These older full towers are not like the newer cases. My Phanteks full tower Entoo Pro circa 2017? is a big heavy case. I still had to remove one of the 3.5" drive cages to fit my XFX 6800 in it.Wow, hard to believe that you would run into space issues in a HAF X.
Not at all surprising, mate. I did a build in a full tower for someone this past Christmas and ran into a similar issue. The full tower they bought thankfully had a modules setup so I was able to order an additional bracket to get them their needed rusters in addition to the giant card they were using (4090). Them old cases were big but not big enough to handle today's cards. the haf came out nearly 14-15 years ago or more. The cases are old enough to qualify for a driver learner's permit.These older full towers are not like the newer cases. My Phanteks full tower Entoo Pro circa 2017? is a big heavy case. I still had to remove one of the 3.5" drive cages to fit my XFX 6800 in it.
Fortunately mine are modular, not riveted. I would not use a dremel like @nOOky is considering. I'd drill out the rivets and pop the whole cage out. Where the HDDs are concerned, I'd take this opportunity to nix them while SSDs are dirt cheap. You can always buy a USB external dock for them if you need data off of them. I do that for all of the DVDs and Blurays I've ripped. They don't need faster storage. They also don't need to be cluttering up my build though.
I have old case too with riveted HDD cage limiting GPU size to aprox 29 cm.Given my complete lack of "handyman skills" I think I will either get a small gpu or a new case. Th eold one isn't great in terms of airflow / temps anyway.Fortunately mine are modular, not riveted. I would not use a dremel like @nOOky is considering. I'd drill out the rivets and pop the whole cage out. Where the HDDs are concerned, I'd take this opportunity to nix them while SSDs are dirt cheap
I'm replacing the case anyway, it's just not on the agenda for now so the extra work is a bit of a bummer. I need a case with room for at least a couple spinning disks and older sata SSD's until I replace my components this holiday season and retool. I can't worry about idle noise and heat if I can't install the thing yet heh.I have old case too with riveted HDD cage limiting GPU size to aprox 29 cm.Given my complete lack of "handyman skills" I think I will either get a small gpu or a new case. Th eold one isn't great in terms of airflow / temps anyway.
I have a Define 7 Nano. I need a 7800XT less than 303mm or I have to remove a case fan.Dom from Kit Guru says the Hellhound is a no brainer. It must be, I bought one.
I think your patience is (understandably) running thin considering how long you've had to delay the upgrade. That being said though, you're comparing premium cards with value cards. The Nitro+ is Sapphire's premium line, whereas the Pulse is always considerably cheaper. It's only natural the AIBs pushed more of their premium stock in the first batch, everything becomes available after a while.This is a reminder that NV market share is this large because AMD isn't always the budget option outside of US.
Well, I think he should get a 4080.I think your patience is (understandably) running thin considering how long you've had to delay the upgrade. That being said though, you're comparing premium cards with value cards. The Nitro+ is Sapphire's premium line, whereas the Pulse is always considerably cheaper. It's only natural the AIBs pushed more of their premium stock in the first batch, everything becomes available after a while.
I'm also having a hard time understanding your reasoning regarding the case options:
IIRC a few days ago you were favoring the 4070 for it's low power usage, now you're also considering opting for a 320W+ 7900XT in combination with a higher power consumption monitor. If I didn't know any better, I'd be tempted to think your concern about power cost is directly proportional with the size of your case. (I know it's not, but it's still funny looking at it this way)
- If it fits the case, you're looking for a ~$650 upgrade or preferably cheaper deal.
- If it does not fit the case, you'd rather go for a ~$1550+ upgrade. That's over twice the budget, maybe three times if you also consider the added energy cost.
My opinion is you should go with the 4070 and get it over with, it feels like you're trying to convince us that you should get the Nvidia card. I don't think you'll be happy with the 7800XT at this point. Which begs the question why you haven't bought the 4070 during spring/summer, the 7800XT did not surprise any of us here in terms of performance, features, power. The only big surprise was the price.
I think your patience is (understandably) running thin considering how long you've had to delay the upgrade. That being said though, you're comparing premium cards with value cards. The Nitro+ is Sapphire's premium line, whereas the Pulse is always considerably cheaper. It's only natural the AIBs pushed more of their premium stock in the first batch, everything becomes available after a while.
I'm also having a hard time understanding your reasoning regarding the case options:
IIRC a few days ago you were favoring the 4070 for it's low power usage, now you're also considering opting for a 320W+ 7900XT in combination with a higher power consumption monitor. If I didn't know any better, I'd be tempted to think your concern about power cost is directly proportional with the size of your case. (I know it's not, but it's still funny looking at it this way)
- If it fits the case, you're looking for a ~$650 upgrade or preferably cheaper deal.
- If it does not fit the case, you'd rather go for a ~$1550+ upgrade. That's over twice the budget, maybe three times if you also consider the added energy cost.
My opinion is you should go with the 4070 and get it over with, it feels like you're trying to convince us that you should get the Nvidia card. I don't think you'll be happy with the 7800XT at this point. Which begs the question why you haven't bought the 4070 during spring/summer, the 7800XT did not surprise any of us here in terms of performance, features, power. The only big surprise was the price.
Stupid people like me. I should have had more patience with the problems I was having with my RX 7900XT.Well, I think he should get a 4080.
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In other places, though, AMD cards are more attractive than in the US. Where I live, a good model like the Sapphire Nitro+ is a solid 90$ cheaper than the absolute cheapest, on sale 4070 I've seen. Most 4070s are $100-200 more expensive than the Nitro+ 7800 XT. And I expect the 7800 XT to be priced even better over time. You must really want Nvidia's exclusive features to buy their cards here.This is a reminder that NV market share is this large because AMD isn't always the budget option outside of US. Yes the 7800 xt is better in raster and has the vram advantage. 4070 has the features advantage and less power use (and with that smaller size).