AMD 9950

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Native and true are not confusing connotations. There is nothing confusing about what I said. Do you understand that?

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: zsdersw

CPUs are not car exhaust pipes. There is no such thing as a "false quad-core", so there also cannot be a "true quad-core".

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

i love this explaination!

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
Native and true are not confusing connotations. There is nothing confusing about what I said. Do you understand that?

lol, however native is something different.
So BTRY does hold a good arguement.

 

[Triskaine]

Originally posted by: Idontcare
On the flipside the fault first and foremost lies squarely on AMD. Just because no credible enthusiast review sites want to delve into a decent review of Phenom does not mean AMD can't do it for them. The fact that even AMD cares so little about ensuring Phenom users have a good tweak guide in their hands that they won't bother having even one PR person pull such a tweak guide together is the problem.

AMD's silence is deafening.

Don't blame the for-profit reviewers for doing what is in their best interests.

Blame the for-profit CPU manufacturer AMD for not doing what is in their best interests.

Yep, it saddens me to see how AMD makes a bad situation worse, I mean at least they could try more to promote their own product and show people AND enthusiasts that Phenom isn't as bad as it is often made out to be.

 

[magreen]

"CPUs are not car exhaust pipes."

Actually, I've taken all my old cpus from the P3 era and earlier and melted them down and formed them into the exhaust pipe for my car. So you're wrong about that..

[Insert mandatory bong reference here]

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Triskaine

Originally posted by: Idontcare
On the flipside the fault first and foremost lies squarely on AMD. Just because no credible enthusiast review sites want to delve into a decent review of Phenom does not mean AMD can't do it for them. The fact that even AMD cares so little about ensuring Phenom users have a good tweak guide in their hands that they won't bother having even one PR person pull such a tweak guide together is the problem.

AMD's silence is deafening.

Don't blame the for-profit reviewers for doing what is in their best interests.

Blame the for-profit CPU manufacturer AMD for not doing what is in their best interests.

Yep, it saddens me to see how AMD makes a bad situation worse, I mean at least they could try more to promote their own product and show people AND enthusiasts that Phenom isn't as bad as it is often made out to be.

Are you saying we arent people

 

[Triskaine]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Triskaine

Originally posted by: Idontcare
On the flipside the fault first and foremost lies squarely on AMD. Just because no credible enthusiast review sites want to delve into a decent review of Phenom does not mean AMD can't do it for them. The fact that even AMD cares so little about ensuring Phenom users have a good tweak guide in their hands that they won't bother having even one PR person pull such a tweak guide together is the problem.

AMD's silence is deafening.

Don't blame the for-profit reviewers for doing what is in their best interests.

Blame the for-profit CPU manufacturer AMD for not doing what is in their best interests.

Yep, it saddens me to see how AMD makes a bad situation worse, I mean at least they could try more to promote their own product and show people AND enthusiasts that Phenom isn't as bad as it is often made out to be.

Are you saying we arent people

No, my friend we are something else.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: zsdersw
CPUs are not car exhaust pipes. There is no such thing as a "false quad-core", so there also cannot be a "true quad-core". A CPU is either quad-core or it isn't. If it has 4 cores in one package, it's a quad-core CPU. If not, it's not. If you're going to talk about the differences between two quad-core CPUs then you use a term like "native" or "monolithic".. not "true".

I agree with you. Stuff like this always makes me think computer nerds are half-retarded, because they end up debating stuff that has absolutely no significance.

Alright so the AMD is a "real" quad core while the Intel is a hack job of two dual cores.... does anyone actually care? Does anyone look at a benchmark and say "hey, forget the benchmarks, I don't like this chip because I disagree with its architecture!" I hope to god nobody does that.

Similarly, why do people talk about clock-for-clock? People pulled that same bullshit when the Pentium 4 came out, and they used it as an excuse for why a Pentium 3 is better. Ok so they can show that a 1ghz P3 is faster than a P4 that has been severely underclocked, but what is the point of even testing that? Do people buy a processor then underclock it just to be assholes? I obviously don't care how efficient each clock cycle is.

Just tell me what kind of frame rate I'll get, and how much it costs. In the end, that's all that matters.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

wait, so i can't put my exhaust pipes on my computer and call it a car!

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
wait, so i can't put my exhaust pipes on my computer and call it a car!

What's stopping you from calling it a car, a mars rover, or a fish?

Call it what you like, just don't expect others to understand a darn thing you are saying when you do so

(typing this from my rose, which by any other name still smells like a keyboard)

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: Idontcare
(typing this from my rose, which by any other name still smells like a keyboard)

lol

 

[zsdersw]

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
Native and true are not confusing connotations. There is nothing confusing about what I said. Do you understand that?

I understand what you're saying, I'm just saying that what you've been saying is incorrect.

The term "true quad-core" is a blatant falsehood. It implies that there are quad-core CPUs out there without 4 cores in one package. There aren't.

 

[Soulkeeper]

pretty much the only reason i didn't buy this cpu was because it wasn't 45nm ....

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Originally posted by: zsdersw

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
Native and true are not confusing connotations. There is nothing confusing about what I said. Do you understand that?

I understand what you're saying, I'm just saying that what you've been saying is incorrect.

The term "true quad-core" is a blatant falsehood. It implies that there are quad-core CPUs out there without 4 cores in one package. There aren't.

People will still use the term true when referring to AMD's phenom and they will use the term quad core with both AMD and Intel's. This argument was over a long time ago, but carry on man.

Your pointing in the argument reminds me of the movie "The Jerk" no implementation by the name, but the part when Steve Martin said: "You can win everything! ...on the left side, ...in this section, ...on the 4th shelf, ...between this item and this item. Not this item, but this item" LOL - no offense man

 

[OCGuy]

Its funny because something like this argument can be seen in both CPU and GPU right now.

NV'ers will say the 4870X2 doesnt "really" count as the best card because they are using 2 GPU's. Most people only care about performance, not whats under the hood.

The AMD'ers say the C2Q are two dual-cores duct-taped together, so they arent "real" quads. Again, most people only care about performance....


So basically people will use whatever points they can to try and argue for or against anything. Welcome to the internet.

 

[harpoon84]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
I know that the Intel stuff is very popular right now, so AMD's processors really don't get as much exposure. So a lot of people I don't think realize how decent the Phenom can perform when the IMC/L3 is overclocked. From what I saw when the IMC/L3 reaches the 2.4GHz range the Phenom seems to be quite close clock for clock to the Q6600.

But, because the Phenom BE's have an unlocked multiplier most reviewers simply use that to get their overclock and call it a day.

At stock speeds maybe. But with an overclocked Phenom @ ~3GHz you're effectively faced with the same problem - the L3 (even at 2.4GHz) is still much slower than the core clock, and this no doubt affects performance scaling as clockspeeds increase.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: zsdersw

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
Native and true are not confusing connotations. There is nothing confusing about what I said. Do you understand that?

I understand what you're saying, I'm just saying that what you've been saying is incorrect.

The term "true quad-core" is a blatant falsehood. It implies that there are quad-core CPUs out there without 4 cores in one package. There aren't.

E8400 is definitely a false quad-core.

Q6600 is definitely a true quad-core.

But is Havendale a true quad-thread?

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

I think its better explained as: For 100 million dollars. Water falls when it rains; True or False.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
I think its better explained as: For 100 million dollars. Water falls when it rains; True or False.

Have you stopped exposing yourself in public yet? Yes or no.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Ahh, the trick question, hehehe

 

[zsdersw]

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
People will still use the term true when referring to AMD's phenom

.. and they'll be wrong every time.

 

[zsdersw]

Originally posted by: Idontcare
E8400 is definitely a false quad-core.

Haha.. well, I wasn't going to go there, but if you insist.

.. then every non-quad-core CPU is a "false quad-core"

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Originally posted by: zsdersw

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
People will still use the term true when referring to AMD's phenom

.. and they'll be wrong every time.

Then* why was/is the term 'true' accepted and or adopted even in everyday lingo and even in some internet reviews over your same argument?

Your shorthand between this is amusing btw

Anyone have any other good jokes? We've already heard the Steve Martin one...

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Originally posted by: zsdersw

Originally posted by: Idontcare
E8400 is definitely a false quad-core.

Haha.. well, I wasn't going to go there, but if you insist.

.. then every non-quad-core CPU is a "false quad-core"

You must be related to George Boole, no?

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Even if people were to say native as you suggested, you still have to explain the difference between Intel's Quad and AMD's Quad as you would using the word true.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: zsdersw

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
Native and true are not confusing connotations. There is nothing confusing about what I said. Do you understand that?

I understand what you're saying, I'm just saying that what you've been saying is incorrect.

The term "true quad-core" is a blatant falsehood. It implies that there are quad-core CPUs out there without 4 cores in one package. There aren't.

E8400 is definitely a false quad-core.

Q6600 is definitely a true quad-core.

But is Havendale a true quad-thread?

Heavendale is a Dual Core CPU with GPU in MCM from what I remember.