AMD 9970/R970 Performance Poll

[Fastx]

What performance do you think we will see out of the upcoming 9970/R970.

Question to other 7950/7970 owners. What performance level above would it take above for you to upgrade to a 9970/R970? I am thinking (imo) anything on par w/Titan or below I will not upgrade and most likely just CF my 7950 for around $180.

 

[tviceman]

What about on par with a 780 as an option?

 

[SiliconWars]

You're missing a very obvious option.

 

[NostaSeronx]

You are missing the option where the 9970 is 1.25x faster than Titan Ultra, clock to clock in compute.

 

[Fastx]

What about on par with a 780 as an option?

I think the above options are the most likely. I can't see why AMD would waste the time, money, tech day, etc on this release just to be on par with a 780. I believe it will be faster than a ref GTX 780 or why even release it as a next gen 9970/R970. Also to be honest I was even going to put a higher performance option but didn't want to get flamed and if the $600.00 pricing is accurate/close, I find it hard to believe it would be more than 10% faster than the Titan for $600.00 but I could turn out to be wrong.


Guys feel free to post what you think the performance will be other than the above choices if you want and we can come back and visit this thread after the BM's are out.

 

[3DVagabond]

I think the options should have been <Titan, =Titan, >Titan.

 

[SolMiester]

I think it will be on par with 780...

 

[tviceman]

People still think AMD can make a 35% performance jump on the same node after 40nm? They had considerably more wattage to work with and build off of Cypress than they do with Tahiti, and they still only got a 15% gain with Cayman then. This whole situation - the expectations, the talk, the scenario, is history repeating itself.

My vote is closer in performance to gtx780 than Titan.

 

[Fastx]

On par with 780 voting.

Guys between a 780 and Titan could mean a 9970 as low as 1% faster (on par w/780) than a 780 then just vote choice number 1 which is between a 780 and Titan?

Or I could just list the # of votes and members names in my first post for on par vote with the 780.

LMK if you want me to do it (votes & names) in the first post for on par w/780 no problem?

 

[Sohaltang]

If the 600$ price is true it damn well better beat Nividia's 600$ 780. If not, why bother? If it is anything less than 110% of a 780 Ill just buy a 780. I'm pretty much a team red guy. Game bundle won't be enough if price/performance fails.

 

[Grooveriding]

If the 600$ price is true it damn well better beat Nividia's 600$ 780. If not, why bother? If it is anything less than 110% of a 780 Ill just buy a 780. I'm pretty much a team red guy. Game bundle won't be enough if price/performance fails.

It's a given it will come with Battlefield 4 as they are both releasing around the same time. For $600 to make sense it should be equal to Titan which will make $600 seem like a great price considering how over-priced Titan is...

 

[hawtdawg]

In typical AMD fashion, I bet it will start out about on par with the 780, and then 6 months from now be faster than a Titan after driver improvements.

 

[Elfear]

In typical AMD fashion, I bet it will start out about on par with the 780, and then 6 months from now be faster than a Titan after driver improvements.

Lol. I doubt it will be a repeat of Tahiti. Hawaii will be a refresh if the rumors flying around are true.

I'm on the fence about performance expectations. If AMD sticks with a die roughly the same size as Tahiti, then I think it will perform on par with a 780 due to a mature 28nm process and GCN 2.0 improvements. If rumors are true that it will be a bigger die (420-480mm^2), I think it will perform like a Titan +10%.

 

[buletaja]

it is easy, it will be faster than titan
this is GCN 2.0 remember not GCN 1.1

Too bad still 1 month away from Hawaii event
there is still no new leaked info after the last one

 

[wand3r3r]

I put between them. Being AMD and NV have been content this generation to BARELY move the price/performance forward (at launches - they're much more attractive now but it's been 1.5+ years), and more so just raise prices, they would probably try raise the price if it were indeed a major victory over titan.

I don't doubt that they could pull out a significant increase as they've had 2 years to work on it, but seeing their recent price strategies it suggests it will be somewhere over the 780 and priced slightly below.

 

[videoclone]

So rummer has it its a titan killer... so not much point to this whole thread.

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1775645

No surprise here ... wow a NEW gen card is FASTER then an old one, It's only happened like Every single time a new cards come out. lol

Looks like allot of people will be moving to the new worlds fastest graphics card on the Red(Green) team.

Release date is around October ~ish
Price drops for HD7970/50 are everywhere at the moment, they are trying to clear them out.

 

[SiliconWars]

People still think AMD can make a 35% performance jump on the same node after 40nm? They had considerably more wattage to work with and build off of Cypress than they do with Tahiti, and they still only got a 15% gain with Cayman then. This whole situation - the expectations, the talk, the scenario, is history repeating itself.

AMD got 15%-20% more performance with 16% more die size and 23% more transistors, with a back-ported Cayman design vs Cypress. Nvidia can only dream of such engineering feats.

Nvidia got ~40% more performance with 91% more die size and double the transistors with Titan compared to GK104.

http://www.techspot.com/review/644-nvidia-geforce-titan/

Titan is only as fast as 7870 crossfire. All AMD has to do is double Pitcairn to beat it - that would only need a 424mm2 die (less if you consider the parts that wouldn't need doubling) and 5.6 billion transistors with no other arch improvements. That is all AMD has to do to beat Titan, double Pitcairn and nothing else.

If you aren't crapping yourself at the thought of AMD going with a Titan-sized die and transistor count, you should be.

 

[46andtool]

Since this is all speculation at this point, I'm going to give AMD the benefit of the doubt and say 5-10% faster than Titan.

 

[RussianSensation]

Titan is only as fast as 7870 crossfire. All AMD has to do is double Pitcairn to beat it - that would only need a 424mm2 die (less if you consider the parts that wouldn't need doubling) and 5.6 billion transistors with no other arch improvements. That is all AMD has to do to beat Titan, double Pitcairn and nothing else.

Except that AMD's strategy is not to neuter its flagship GPU on the DP side. HD7870x2 wouldn't work in that case. I don't think we can just assume that AMD will drop DP with Hawaii.

 

[RussianSensation]

People still think AMD can make a 35% performance jump on the same node after 40nm? They had considerably more wattage to work with and build off of Cypress than they do with Tahiti, and they still only got a 15% gain with Cayman then. This whole situation - the expectations, the talk, the scenario, is history repeating itself.

HD5870 --> HD6970 is a move from 144W to 185W = 41W
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/HIS/Radeon_HD_6970/images/power_peak.gif

As has been repeated for 18+ months, using HD7970GE reference card as a gauge of power consumption is 100% misleading. After market 7970 cards with 1.05ghz come in at 181W.
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/VTX3D/Radeon_HD_7970_X-Edition/images/power_peak.gif

If AMD targets 250W of peak real world power consumption, they have 69W to work with, substantially more than the move from 5870 to 6970.

You are not accounting for improvements on 28nm. HIS Turbo X 7970 with 1180mhz clocks reached that at 1.256V. My 7970s hit 1150mhz on stock voltage and 1200mhz at 1.212V.

 

[boxleitnerb]

Does this go for more than one SKU? I think cherrypicking is not helpful. While I agree that AMD has more saving potential than the 7970 GE reference suggests, I would not be too optimistic on account of select results. A reference design has to achieve clocks with tens of thousands of GPUs, not just a couple of hundred.

 

[raghu78]

I voted for slightly faster than Titan (my guess is 5%). 35 - 40% faster than HD 7970 Ghz. Tahiti is the first AMD chip on 28nm and the most inefficient in terms of balance of resources. A doubled front end and increase of ROPs to 48 will increase perf/sp significantly. With Bonaire and GCN 1.1 with improved power state management AMD fit 30% more perf at same TDP for a mere 37 sq mm die size increase. I expect further perf/sq mm improvements with GCN 2.0. Now what remains to be seen is how big AMD have gone for this chip. My guess is AMD has gone massive die. 480 sq mm.

 

[Black Octagon]

What performance do you think we will see out of the upcoming 9970/R970

Since so little is 100% confirmed about the 9xxx series, let alone the 9970 as a specific card, I think this poll is premature.

 

[raghu78]

Since so little is 100% confirmed about the 9xxx series, let alone the 9970 as a specific card, I think this poll is premature.

its a poll because specs are not known or confirmed. a month from now everything about Hawaii will be revealed to the press. a further 2-3 weeks and the public will get to know the facts.

 

[CakeMonster]

Are there ever non-misleading polls in this forum?

I suspect that AMD is at a disadvantage. All I'm basing this off is that NVidia had two designs planned back when the 7970/680 were released. Considering that AMD has not been hinting at anything (in fact they've hinted at no release in 2013), they clearly initially planned for the 79xx design with minor tweaks and clock adjustments to be enough. Despite impressive driver improvements it wasn't. So... considering the 680 (which is still comparable to 7970) was not planned to be the top chip, AMD now have to basically pull magic or at least new major discoveries out of their hat to match NVidia's top part that was in their plans already when the 680 came out.

I can't see how AMD is not disadvantaged here no matter how you look at it. If they've made major sudden progress I would be very happy, but I doubt it. I'd vote for near 780 performance with a beefed up 79xx designed which is still 79xx.