AMD A10-5800k

[frozentundra123456]

There is not an APU that pairs with a 6870. Does not exist. Anywhere.



The fact that you think GTAIV, and games of its caliber, brings a 5800k to its knees is incredibly telling about your lack of experience in ever having used one.

We were referring to the 5800k without a discrete card, which in fact I believe would be inadequate for GTAIV at any kind of decent resolution and image quality.

 

[Centauri]

I just find it funny that you not only keep arguing with people who actually own the things, but have the gall to throw around words like 'believe' and 'would be'.

I spent most of last night playing BFBC2 at max settings, 1600x1200 res and 8x FSAA. Pretty sure GTAIV can't do anything to my APU that last night didn't already bring.

 

[Madpacket]

I have no problem with the 5800k as a cpu in general. It is perfectly adequate if not particularly efficient. It is also decent for gaming when paired with a discrete GPU, although it would not be my choice.

I do however strongly disagree that the APU is adequate for gaming in the sense that most here consider "PC Gaming". i.e. being able to play current and upcoming titles at 1080p at any kind of decent framerate and IQ settings.

Correct, at 1080P it's not a good choice. Where it shines is in areas like for casual gamers who are currently console people and maybe thinking of switching to the PC platform for the Steam deals and don't want to spend a ton of money on the PC.

The 5800K runs games well at 720P and for the most part provides a superior gaming experience compared to either the 360 or PS3. With Steam Big Picture mode and the increasing controller support for new games this is a real alternative to console gaming....plus it's a PC so it does all of those things as well such as being able to mod the games or download the giant texture packs for games like Skyrim etc.

I'm using a 5800K for my HTPC. I have over 200 steam games and have installed and tested around 30 modern PC games so far on it. Almost all of my games ran perfectly fine (to me that's basically default settings maintaining at least 30FPS) the only game that I struggled to play where I had to really lower the details was Farcry 3.

Just the other day I picked up a second hand 6670 off Kijiji for $40.00 and plan on adding that to the HTPC for dual graphics which should allow me to play some of the more demanding games.

Anyway, as we know everyone's needs are different but I believe AMD is targeting a large part of the market with these cheap APU's and they offer decent flexibility considering options such as dual graphics as not to mention a few APU upgrade cycles being planned for socket FM2. It does not look like Intel will have an answer until Haswell although I'm a little sceptical they'll have anything around the $100.00 price that will be as well rounded as the 5600/5800K.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

I spent most of last night playing BFBC2 at max settings, 1600x1200 res and 8x FSAA. Pretty sure GTAIV can't do anything to my APU that last night didn't already bring.

Correct, at 1080P it's not a good choice.

Not to troll or anything, but you do realize that 1600x1200 is 1.92MP and 1920x1080 is "only" 2.07MP right...?

 

[Centauri]

Not to troll or anything, but you do realize that 1600x1200 is 1.92MP and 1920x1080 is "only" 2.07MP right...?

7% fewer pixels - dearie me. So are you saying that switching to a 16:9 1080p display would be transformative to my frame rate experience? Because the frame rate drop wouldn't even be commensurate to the increase in pixel count. And even if it were, it's nothing I wouldn't gain back my re-enabling Turbo Core - and then some.

That is a bit trollish a nitpick. I have a 4:3 display, so sue me.

 

[gandya]

We were referring to the 5800k without a discrete card, which in fact I believe would be inadequate for GTAIV at any kind of decent resolution and image quality.

your believes are irrelevant.
I didn't say anything about 1080P, but you can set medium setting and play 1680X1050(My native) or highest settings possible(37 fps), 1280X800, and this I call playable+.

i3 not better in any practicle way then a10-5800K, I don`t really care about benchmarks numbers, I am talking about everyday use.

 

[gandya]

Try running metro2033 or BF3 or Witcher 2 at 1080p and tell me you don't feel limited.

I don't mind playing 720P, I never said anything about 1080P. (I am not such a big gamer anyway).
when I said I am not limited in any way I was talking about the cpu, not the gpu part.

 

[Centauri]

But, you see, if you don't game at 1080p+ with maxed out quality settings, only playing the absolute newest of games, then you're just a poser gamer.

Funny though how the bar was raised to that height right around the time AMD started pursuing APUs...

 

[Phynaz]

Intel will have an answer until Haswell although I'm a little sceptical they'll have anything around the $100.00 price that will be as well rounded as the 5600/5800K.

AMD doesn't have anything at that price point either

 

[Phynaz]

But, you see, if you don't game at 1080p+ with maxed out quality settings, only playing the absolute newest of games, then you're just a poser gamer.

You would be MUCH better served with a console.

 

[Phynaz]

your believes are irrelevant.
I didn't say anything about 1080P, but you can set medium setting and play 1680X1050(My native) or highest settings possible(37 fps), 1280X800, and this I call playable+.

i3 not better in any practicle way then a10-5800K, I don`t really care about benchmarks numbers, I am talking about everyday use.

His beliefs are irrelevant, but yours aren't

And please do tell, what is this everyday use you speak of? I use my PC everyday, doesn't that make me a member of that class?

 

[frozentundra123456]

your believes are irrelevant.
I didn't say anything about 1080P, but you can set medium setting and play 1680X1050(My native) or highest settings possible(37 fps), 1280X800, and this I call playable+.

i3 not better in any practicle way then a10-5800K, I don`t really care about benchmarks numbers, I am talking about everyday use.

Arguing about the i3 is irrelevant too. Nobody said you should game on an i3 without a discrete gpu. Seems you just have to bring up the i3 to have an excuse to bash intel.

 

[Centauri]

AMD doesn't have anything at that price point either

You read grammar very selectively.

 

[frozentundra123456]

You read grammar very selectively.

Huh???

 

[gandya]

His beliefs are irrelevant, but yours aren't

And please do tell, what is this everyday use you speak of? I use my PC everyday, doesn't that make me a member of that class?

no, you have to know the difference between beliefs and facts see?
I am an owner of a10-5800k, so I know what it is cable of.

Statistics
Average FPS: 37.68
Duration: 36.89 sec
CPU Usage: 63%
System memory usage: 40%
Video memory usage: 84%

Graphics Settings
Video Mode: 1280 x 800 (60 Hz)
Texture Quality: High
Texture Filter Quality: Very High
View Distance: 50
Detail Distance: 80

Hardware
Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate
Service Pack 1
Video Adapter: AMD Radeon HD 7660D
Video Driver version: 8.17.10.1172
Audio Adapter: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
AMD A10-5800K APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics

File ID: benchmark.cli

this is a fact..

and

"which in fact I believe would be inadequate for GTAIV at any kind of decent resolution and image quality."

this is only a believe, and in this case, as the bencmark above indicates, it has been proved to be a wrong believe, thus not relevant.

 

[frozentundra123456]

no, you have to know the difference between beliefs and facts see?
I am an owner of a10-5800k, so I know what it is cable of.



this is a fact..

and

"which in fact I believe would be inadequate for GTAIV at any kind of decent resolution and image quality."

this is only a believe, and in this case, as the bencmark above indicates, it has been proved to be a wrong believe, thus not relevant.

800p.....OK, whatever. Kind of proves my point instead of refuting it.

 

[Hubb1e]

The desktop A10 is as fast as a lot of gaming laptops out there and people are just fine playing on those. The CPU part matches the i3 so it's just as good as the i3 at gaming with a discrete card. That said, 1155 is a better platform than FM2. Both are good choices and if you're considering an i3 for gaming with a discrete card, the A8 5600k is a great alternative. When the 750k comes available in the US it will be the budget gamer choice over the dual core Pentiums it's up against.

 

[frozentundra123456]

The desktop A10 is as fast as a lot of gaming laptops out there and people are just fine playing on those. The CPU part matches the i3 so it's just as good as the i3 at gaming with a discrete card. That said, 1155 is a better platform than FM2. Both are good choices and if you're considering an i3 for gaming with a discrete card, the A8 5600k is a great alternative. When the 750k comes available in the US it will be the budget gamer choice over the dual core Pentiums it's up against.

But that is the point. It is not a laptop. You can easily add a discrete card.

 

[Phynaz]

no, you have to know the difference between beliefs and facts see?
I am an owner of a10-5800k, so I know what it is cable of.



this is a fact..

and

"which in fact I believe would be inadequate for GTAIV at any kind of decent resolution and image quality."

this is only a believe, and in this case, as the bencmark above indicates, it has been proved to be a wrong believe, thus not relevant.

Gaming at 30 something FPS at a resolution from 2003. Okay, I guess if that makes you happy I won't argue with that.

Interesting though that you feel you have to own something to know facts about it. Then how do you know how an i3 performs? That would be a belief and not a fact, yes?

 

[NTMBK]

Gaming at 30 something FPS at a resolution from 2003. Okay, I guess if that makes you happy I won't argue with that.

Interesting though that you feel you have to own something to know facts about it. Then how do you know how an i3 performs? That would be a belief and not a fact, yes?

2003? What GTAIV are you thinking of?

 

[frozentundra123456]

2003? What GTAIV are you thinking of?

He is talking about 800p resolution.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

7% fewer pixels - dearie me. So are you saying that switching to a 16:9 1080p display would be transformative to my frame rate experience? Because the frame rate drop wouldn't even be commensurate to the increase in pixel count. And even if it were, it's nothing I wouldn't gain back my re-enabling Turbo Core - and then some.

That is a bit trollish a nitpick. I have a 4:3 display, so sue me.

You completely misunderstood...

All I'm saying is that if you can run a game at 1600x1200, you can almost certainly run it at 1080p. Its only 7% more pixels after all...

 

[NTMBK]

He is talking about 800p resolution.

Ah, comprehension fail on my behalf there. Thanks

 

[gandya]

Gaming at 30 something FPS at a resolution from 2003. Okay, I guess if that makes you happy I won't argue with that.

its more like 40fps, and yes it is more then playable, so i am happy.
"resolution from 2003" you have to explain me this one.. ^_^
Max Resolution : 2048 x 1536 / 69Hz= LG F900P (some nice CRT I used to have).

Interesting though that you feel you have to own something to know facts about it. Then how do you know how an i3 performs? That would be a belief and not a fact, yes?

well, I have more then 1 PC in my possession. i3 based laptop.(and some more).

 

[Gikaseixas]

Phynaz and Frozentundra do any of you guys own a A10?? If the people who actually have them are happy let them be. I would take their word over your guessing and theories.
I have a Llano 3850 and it plays most games at 720P. I added a HD5870 just to see what the cpu was capable of doing and it didn't skip a beat, very solid setup.