AMD A10-5800k

[frozentundra123456]

Phynaz and Frozentundra do any of you guys own a A10?? If the people who actually have them are happy let them be. I would take their word over your guessing and theories.
I have a Llano 3850 and it plays most games at 720P. I added a HD5870 just to see what the cpu was capable of doing and it didn't skip a beat, very solid setup.

Do you have to own a corvette to know that it is faster than a prius? The benchmarks for the A10 as well as many cpus paired with a many discrete gpus are well known. I am hardly guessing or making things up to try to make the A10 look bad.

 

[AtenRa]

Still waiting to see benchmarks showing that A10-5800K bottlenecks an HD6870 at 1080p.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Do you have to own a corvette to know that it is faster than a prius? The benchmarks for the A10 as well as many cpus paired with a many discrete gpus are well known. I am hardly guessing or making things up to try to make the A10 look bad.

The point is not which one's faster. Stop making this a comparison.
We are talking about the A10, it's capabilities and if it would be enough performance wise for the OP. You, as usual had to come in spread your crap all over the thread. Your paranoia towards AMD really needs to stop.

Remember this from OP?
"BTW, I use this as my new gaming rig with my Radeon HD R6950 Twin Frozr III and it preforms amazingly, especially considering the price"

He's satisfied and yet you two are trying to tell him "no your cpu sucks when paired to a dedicated GPU".

 

[frozentundra123456]

The point is not which one's faster. Stop making this a comparison.
We are talking about the A10, it's capabilities and if it would be enough performance wise for the OP. You, as usual had to come in spread your crap all over the thread. Your paranoia towards AMD really needs to stop.

Remember this from OP?
"BTW, I use this as my new gaming rig with my Radeon HD R6950 Twin Frozr III and it preforms amazingly, especially considering the price"

He's satisfied and yet you two are trying to tell him "no your cpu sucks when paired to a dedicated GPU".

You should read more carefully. I never said the A10 "sucks" when paired with a discrete gpu. I said it was adequate but would not be my choice. My entire point is that the APU in the A10 is the weak point, and is very limited in gaming, and one who games would be much better served by a discrete gpu.

Edit: Perhaps the discussion got sidetracked by posters who claimed the A10 without a discrete gpu is adequate for gaming. If the op was only considering the A10 with a discrete gpu, then I will say that it is an adequate cpu. In fact I think I said that already. It is only when the A10 is used without a discrete gpu that I take issue with it a a "gaming" solution.

 

[SPBHM]

Still waiting to see benchmarks showing that A10-5800K bottlenecks an HD6870 at 1080p.

you just have to choose the correct games and settings for that... and many times the most comfortable settings will easily hit the CPU limit

it's pretty easy here for me to make my old i3 bottleneck an even slower 5850, and according to Anandtech it is faster on games
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/675?vs=289

in one of the games they tested I could see the framerate going as low as 40-45 (caused by the CPU), when the average was over 60, you can really notice things like this, and it can be a lot worse playing some MMOs like SWTOR.

still I don't think the 5800K is bad using discrete graphics, I just think the 4300, 6300 or 3220 are better options for that, now if you can get the A8 or 750k for significantly less money...
and if you have a fast VGA you should seriously consider some i5.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Perhaps the discussion got sidetracked by posters who claimed the A10 without a discrete gpu is adequate for gaming

It is fine for light gaming, older games, lower resolutions and so forth. If you're a hardcore game forget it, get a true GPU. It's a decent APU, i've seen one in action.

 

[Hubb1e]

The A10 graphics is better than my old 4670 and that can play games like Civ5 and Diablo 3. When you consider it's basically free with your CPU, why are there so many complaints about it?

 

[Gikaseixas]

why are there so many complaints about it?

It's made by AMD, that's why

 

[jacktesterson]

I'm enjoying mine on my TV.

I played Sleeping Dogs last night on my TV (It's a 1366x768 50" Plasma) with a 360 controller, with everything on Normal except using the High Res Texture Pack, Some AA and High World Density... Was hovering right around 50-60 FPS the entire session.

I'm using 1866 DDR3, running the GPU at 850 MHz and the CPU at 4.0GHz on stock cooler.

I can't complain for a $160 CPU/Motherboard combo price.

 

[Abwx]

Was in a Wmart like store today and get by curiosity in the PC
department..

90% of desktops have no more than integrated GFX , on the intel
side there s nothing above i3s , most being pentium G6xx with one
even branded has having a HD4000....

Hence , publicly recommending i3 or pentiums over AMDs APUs is just
plain propaganda since the general public that comes at AT to get
some pictures will be misleaded in thinking that Intel s products are
faster even in the gfx side of things and even if they know the difference
the huge difference between HD4K and Radeons will be thought as a negligible
quantity , exactly what the anti AMD brigade is trying to patheticaly paint.

 

[jacktesterson]

Was in a Wmart like store today and get by curiosity in the PC
department..

90% of desktops have no more than integrated GFX , on the intel
side there s nothing above i3s , most being pentium G6xx with one
even branded has having a HD4000....

Hence , publicly recommending i3 or pentiums over AMDs APUs is just
plain propaganda since the general public that comes at AT to get
some pictures will be misleaded in thinking that Intel s products are
faster even in the gfx side of things and even if they know the difference
the huge difference between HD4K and Radeons will be thought as a negligible
quantity , exactly what the anti AMD brigade is trying to patheticaly paint.

People posting here and people shopping at Walmart for PCs (Or most PC users in general) are two very different creatures.

I'm running the lowest end hardware I've had in years and am still enjoying my experience.

 

[Abwx]

People posting here and people shopping at Walmart for PCs (Or most PC users in general) are two very different creatures.

I pointed people that comes at AT , most of wich are not members
and just browse through the threads in search of general perception
about a product...

 

[Phynaz]

"resolution from 2003" you have to explain me this one.. ^_^

Graphics Settings
Video Mode: 1280 x 800 (60 Hz)
Texture Quality: High
Texture Filter Quality: Very High
View Distance: 50
Detail Distance: 80

I'm just quoting your own post.

 

[Phynaz]

Was in a Wmart like store today

I'm sorry.

 

[Abwx]

I'm sorry.

Indeed , when thinking of average people who buy their
PCs in such stores...

Dont know about the situation in the US but it must
be from trhe same vein.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I'm sorry.

My daughter and grandson live in a small town in Ohio and the natives there consider the Walmart there to be the "mall".

Actually though Walmarts in small town, rural areas are quite nice sometimes. I live in a large city though, and the Walmart close to me is really terrible.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Was in a Wmart like store today and get by curiosity in the PC
department..

90% of desktops have no more than integrated GFX , on the intel
side there s nothing above i3s , most being pentium G6xx with one
even branded has having a HD4000....

Hence , publicly recommending i3 or pentiums over AMDs APUs is just
plain propaganda since the general public that comes at AT to get
some pictures will be misleaded in thinking that Intel s products are
faster even in the gfx side of things and even if they know the difference
the huge difference between HD4K and Radeons will be thought as a negligible
quantity , exactly what the anti AMD brigade is trying to patheticaly paint.

You mean in the same way that you are hyping AMD graphics endlessly? Honestly, are you accusing others of posting biased opinions? How ironic.

 

[Abwx]

You mean in the same way that you are hyping AMD graphics endlessly? Honestly, are you accusing others of posting biased opinions? How ironic.

Endlessly ?....

You would be challenged to have a valuable argument about it ,
in fact i m even quite mum about Gfx in general , wich just show that
you re just throwing whatever accusation that cames to your mind ,
wich is indeed right on target with your usual habits...

 

[Hubb1e]

I was at a best buy the other day looking for laptops. I asked for a laptop with a discrete graphics card in it and the guy said he didn't have any. Turns out he had two and was a complete idiot, but that kinda proves the point. The average consumer that doesn't know anything about buying a computer would be better served by an A10 than an Intel i3, or probably even an i5 simply because the A10 is capable of doing everything they may ask of it, while the i3 or i5 can't game without adding a GPU. An i7 comes with the HD4000 which does okay, but big box i3s and i5 come with HD2000 or HD2500 and hardly any of them come with a real GPU. If they do have a GPU, it's pretty low end and you're paying a premium for it.

Edit: I should say I'm talking about desktops here for the HD2000 and HD2500 as laptops have the HD3000 or HD4000

 

[Rvenger]

Still waiting to see benchmarks showing that A10-5800K bottlenecks an HD6870 at 1080p.

It bottlenecked the crap out of my GTX 660. BF3 was at 50% GPU usage and completely pegged at 100% CPU @ 4ghz. Deus Ex Human revolution sat at 30% and 50% with Vsync off, Tera Rising dipped into the 20fps in crowded areas, 3Dmark 11 Physics score was a measly 3800.

 

[Piroko]

How odd, I just played a 64 player match BF3 on a Ph2 x3 720 with a HD7770 and the game was constantly above 40fps as well as mostly GPU bottlenecked (with settings left at auto, pretty much everything @ medium).
Tera does dip into the 20s on my system as well, though (and is generally all over the place in performance).

 

[Hubb1e]

It bottlenecked the crap out of my GTX 660. BF3 was at 50% GPU usage and completely pegged at 100% CPU @ 4ghz. Deus Ex Human revolution sat at 30% and 50% with Vsync off, Tera Rising dipped into the 20fps in crowded areas, 3Dmark 11 Physics score was a measly 3800.

I'm sorry, but who cares if your CPU is pegged at 100% and your GPU is at 50%? For all we know you have vsync turned on and the GPU isn't rendering all frames. And without framerate information, you could be at over 60fps with the A10. You could have been running the 660 on lower settings that you should be. What you said means nearly nothing. BF3 is also highly dependant on the map and the location within the map. BF3 can take down even an overclocked 3770k if you are on the right place in gulf of oman.

 

[inf64]

Yes, Gulf of Oman is notoriously hard on HW so that's why I avoid it . It's the only map where my X4 @3Ghz +6870 OCed cannot give consistent 50+ frame rate at medium details in 14x10 resolution. Especially on 32+ slot servers,fps dips below 28fps at some moments so it becomes unplayable to me.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Still waiting to see benchmarks showing that A10-5800K bottlenecks an HD6870 at 1080p.

How about losing in every test against a i3-3225 /w 6670D, while consuming 40% more power with the same graphics card?

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/46157-amd-a10-5800k-dual-graphics-evaluation/


Dat dual gpu scaling, either cpu bottleneck or AMD drivers take your pick.

 

[Piroko]

How about losing in every test against a i3-3225 /w 6670D, while consuming 40% more power with the same graphics card?

Dat dual gpu scaling, either cpu bottleneck or AMD drivers take your pick.

They're consistently within 5% of each other apart from one outlier. I would consider this to be pretty close to the perfect example of a gpu bottleneck if you'd ask me.
It does also show that the AMD system is held back by something else though.