AMD A10-6800K Integrated GPU

[frozentundra123456]

Nobody is refusing to accept it. What they're telling you, myself included, is that it matters increasingly less to the actual experience. Ask Sony and Microsoft.

Why can't you accept that?

What do Sony and Microsoft have to do with it?

If you are talking about the console apus those are purpose built for the consoles. The ps4 for sure and mostlikely Xbox as well will have performance far better than any PC apu . Actually this will make a PC apu an even less satisfactory solution relative to a console than it is today.

 

[Centauri]

8 Piledriver-lite cores at 1.6GHz are going to be 'far better' than 4 Piledriver cores at 4GHz+? Let alone Steamroller? Ha.

I think you'll say anything that you feel is necessary in order to devalue anybody or any company's choice of an AMD APU.

 

[frozentundra123456]

8 Piledriver-lite cores at 1.6GHz are going to be 'far better' than 4 Piledriver cores at 4GHz+? Let alone Steamroller? Ha.

I think you'll say anything that you feel is necessary in order to devalue anybody or any company's choice of an AMD APU.

Obviously I am talking about gpu performance, not CPU performance. If you are seriously trying to claim a 6800k will have better graphics than the ps4, you are either deluding yourself or you are the one making rediculous statements to try to promote your agenda.

 

[Centauri]

And if Kaveri somehow manages to match the GPU performance of the custom console chips, rather than admit that APUs will have reached a point where dedicated graphics is no longer necessary (even for gamers) you'll instead twist reality by saying it's simply proof that Sony and MS fumbled by going with an offering that isn't even competitive on the PC desktop months after having launched in consoles.

And the console point was only part of my post, you conveniently ignored the main point; that APUs are already to the point of having greatly diminished the importance of dedicated graphics to the end user experience for the majority of people.

 

[pcsavvy]

OP
As you can see people have differing opinions about AMD, Intel and etc. It comes down to what is your budget, what your system is going to do and where you are willing to make compromises.
If we all were rich and had money burning a hole in our pockets then Intel, baby, Intel the whole way. But some of us have a tight to very tight budget and are willing to compromise to get the best bang for our buck performance.
Generally speaking for a gaming system, you want to spend more on the graphics than maybe the m/b or cpu. Now if you look at reviews of various chips in your budget range, most likely you are looking to spend around $100 or less on a cpu, around $100 or less on a m/b and about $100-150 on graphics. Unfortunately, if that is to much for your budget than an APU from AMD should be able to get your foot in the door. An APU for about ~$100-130 plus a m/b for ~$80-$125 is workable for an entry level gaming system.
One way to go is to purchase the AMD Athlon X4 750K Trinity 3.4GHz Socket FM2 100W this an APU that the IGP has been disabled and on NE costs about $90, get a mid-range m/b (FM2A75) ~$60-80, and a 7770 graphics card for~$90-140. This would be a fairly balanced budget gaming system. If you want to o/c the cpu then you would need faster memory 8 Gigs of 1866 speed for around ~$70-90.
Of course, if you live near a Microcenter, which has some really great combo deals with cpu and m/b. Unfortunately they don't seem to carry the 750K. Just some food for thought.

 

[Mallibu]

For gaming you should go for a 7750. Yes you can torture yourself with an A6800, playing at 20 fps/low details, however when for 30$ more you can get double the performance, it's a no brainer.
Yes you can game on in IGP, however it sucks, and it's just not the right tool for the job.

 

[AtenRa]

And honestly, it seems to me anyone who can afford to buy games, pay for internet, etc. can afford 50.00 for a discrete gpu.

75 free to play Games

You know, for people that dont have to spend an extra 50.00 for the discrete.

 

[AtenRa]

For gaming you should go for a 7750. Yes you can torture yourself with an A6800, playing at 20 fps/low details, however when for 30$ more you can get double the performance, it's a no brainer.
Yes you can game on in IGP, however it sucks, and it's just not the right tool for the job.

Have you ever played with an AMD APU like the A10-6800K ??? I can play almost every game at 720p even with 1600MHz memory. There are newer DX-11 games that are playable even at 1080p with 1600MHz memory. You can also OC the iGPU to 1GHz with the stock cooler and have even more performance.

So, stop trolling because you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Haserath]

I would go for the Athlon X4 750k and an HD 7750 at the least.

That combo would only be 10-20% more while being much faster.

 

[d3m]

You can pair A10-5800K with HD 7750 for dual graphics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOENTgy7z5c

 

[inf64]

Guys read the OP, this guy said "So I want to start a new build but I don't have the money to buy a graphics card". He has no money for CPU+ dGPU (a solid one like 7750). The only option he has for now is to buy Trinity (5700,5800K,6700,6800K) and play the games with lower quality/resolution on iGPU until he can buy dGPU. It' very simple concept. Sure 750K+7750 would be better but more expensive so he cannot do it.

 

[d3m]

Ok. He should then buy 5800K, and maybe later pair it with HD 7750.

 

[Atreidin]

And honestly, it seems to me anyone who can afford to buy games, pay for internet, etc. can afford 50.00 for a discrete gpu.

You made your points known, they are there for all to read, people can take them into consideration if they wish. Repeatedly telling people "Hey you should have $50 more, if you don't there's something wrong with you" is a real dick move. If they don't have the money to spend on it, they don't have it. It really isn't your business why or why not.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Forget the apu, buy an athlon x4 750k and a 7750, similar price but MUCH better performance.

http://us.ncix.com/products/?usaffi...12&vpn=AX7750 1GBD5-DH&manufacture=PowerColor

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...D=3938566&SID=

Total after promo and rebates = $148.

Bit cheaper than richland and similar to trinity (because you can throw the cheapest RAM you can find in there and it won't affect performance). And you will get twice the performance.

That's some good advice there. Its very hard to beat the value of a 750K and a cheap discrete card. According to newegg, its only $25 more expensive then a 6800K. In my opinion that's money well spent for a gaming system. If you really can't afford $25, you'll be fine with the 6800K though. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

 

[Mallibu]

Have you ever played with an AMD APU like the A10-6800K ??? I can play almost every game at 720p even with 1600MHz memory. There are newer DX-11 games that are playable even at 1080p with 1600MHz memory. You can also OC the iGPU to 1GHz with the stock cooler and have even more performance.

So, stop trolling because you have no idea what you are talking about.

http://www.techspot.com/review/681-amd-a10-6800k-a4-4000/page6.html

Is this what you call playable?
Medal of honor: 18 fps
Metro last light: 14 fps
Max payne 3: 24 fps

And mind you this is 1680x1050. Cut another 15% from fps for 1080p.
Since when 15 fps is considered playable? That's a spastic slideshow, that causes diziness, not entertainment.
You can torture yourself and call that gaming, for the sake of your AMD crusade, but don't try to bs us that 15 fps is "playable".
I'd better go bang my head in the wall than try to play any game at this fps.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Is this what you call playable?
Medal of honor: 18 fps
Metro last light: 14 fps
Max payne 3: 24 fps

I think you should look here. Nobody said that you would not have to turn down a few settings at 1080p to get playable framerates. If the alternative is not being able to run games at all (e.g. HD2500 or to a lesser extent the HD4000), it does not look half bad....

 

[sm625]

For the same money you can buy a used i5-6xx and give it a modest overclock and also buy a 7750 class gpu. That is the best performance/$ solution at this time.

 

[NTMBK]

http://www.techspot.com/review/681-amd-a10-6800k-a4-4000/page6.html

Is this what you call playable?
Medal of honor: 18 fps
Metro last light: 14 fps
Max payne 3: 24 fps

And mind you this is 1680x1050. Cut another 15% from fps for 1080p.
Since when 15 fps is considered playable? That's a spastic slideshow, that causes diziness, not entertainment.
You can torture yourself and call that gaming, for the sake of your AMD crusade, but don't try to bs us that 15 fps is "playable".
I'd better go bang my head in the wall than try to play any game at this fps.

a) He said 720p, which is lower than 1680x1050.
b) Those are on medium settings, not low.

You won't get great image quality, but you can play the games- and as the continuing popularity of consoles demonstrates, you can enjoy games just fine at 720p.

 

[Mallibu]

a) He said 720p, which is lower than 1680x1050.
b) Those are on medium settings, not low.

You won't get great image quality, but you can play the games- and as the continuing popularity of consoles demonstrates, you can enjoy games just fine at 720p.

I don't see him stating anywhere he plays at 720p.
Yes if you play 720p & low details, you get playable frame rates, but games look like utter crap.

But even if someone can tolerate this, it still isn't a wise buy since for 25$ more you get double the frame rates.

If I want to travel long distances, and I can get a bicycle at 150$ and a car 175$, I'll be a fool if I don't spend 15% more, to get the right tool for the job.

 

[Infraction Jack]

75 free to play Games

You know, for people that dont have to spend an extra 50.00 for the discrete.

That is the route I go with, there are so many free to play games that run well on budget hardware. I save tons of money this way.

 

[nanaki333]

A10 is a nice chip! you could buy a 7770 and do hybrid xfire and up your performance drastically.

 

[Enigmoid]

A10 is a nice chip! you could buy a 7770 and do hybrid xfire and up your performance drastically.

Given the fact that the 7770 is about 3x as powerful as the 8670D your performance gains are going to be very low. In fact I bet hybrid crossfire vs just 7770 will see on average negative scaling as the drivers attempt to match the two.

 

[SPBHM]

You can pair A10-5800K with HD 7750 for dual graphics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOENTgy7z5c

that's a bad bad idea, there is a reason why this mode is not even officially supported by AMD, and even Richland DG only mentions much slower GCN cards for this,
the 7750 is much faster, so the potential average framerate increase is almost nothing, and the potential to destroy the quality is huge, with the problems AFR brings, if it's a problem even for equal high end cards, this is a much worse situation, and for what? for still being clearly slower than a single 7770 even on fraps?

it's a much smarter choice to save the money on the disabled IGP part, like the 750K, also since you can ignore the IGP, you can save money with cheap memory, and use the difference for a even faster VGA.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34815234&postcount=64

:thumbsdown:

 

[nanaki333]

Given the fact that the 7770 is about 3x as powerful as the 8670D your performance gains are going to be very low. In fact I bet hybrid crossfire vs just 7770 will see on average negative scaling as the drivers attempt to match the two.

errrr... i meant 6670. my bad. i was just looking at the AMD chart earlier today to pair an A6 with a radeon, and decided to just throw a 7770 i have laying around.

thank you for the correction before somebody could have wasted extra cash though!

 

[AtenRa]

I don't see him stating anywhere he plays at 720p.

I can play almost every game at 720p even with 1600MHz memory. There are newer DX-11 games that are playable even at 1080p with 1600MHz memory.

Give it a rest, I have clearly said 720p and some games at 1080p. So, now stop trolling and FUD about 15fps.