AMD A10-6800K Integrated GPU

[Mallibu]

Give it a rest, I have clearly said 720p and some games at 1080p. So, now stop trolling and FUD about 15fps.

The op hasn't mentioned he plays at 720p. You however, can state whatever you want, but due to your known bias towards AMD I'll prefer to believe the common bencmarks that show 15-20 fps @ 1680x1050.
That fps is unacceptable and not playable at all.
And you still haven't answered me, why I shouldn't give 15% more for 200% the performance.
That's like having a Pentium 4 at 50$ and a Core2Duo at 60$ and prefering the Pentium 4 to save some bucks.

I like how the AMD fans talk about "performance/dollar" all the time, but in this case that the 7750 is clearly the winner in that metric they talk about "but an apu at 1080p is playable!"
Ok it might be playable (at 15-20 fps?) but it still isn't the optimal solution in that budget range.

 

[galego]

And the console point was only part of my post, you conveniently ignored the main point; that APUs are already to the point of having greatly diminished the importance of dedicated graphics to the end user experience for the majority of people.

Agree. Moreover, nobody really doubts that APUs are the future.

 

[PA Systems]

I've seen most of the arguements going back and forth as to the merits and demerits of this processor. It really does matter what one's budget is and what a user plans on doing with their machine. I'm going for an extreme upgrade from an Athlon II 2.8ghz duo core processor so I think I'd benefit from anything either in the FX or A series. I haven't the funds for an upgraded video card so I'm looking at the A10-6800K to pair with my Radeon 6570. From what I've read of this processor that's the bottom end of what can be Xfired with this cpu. How would that pairing compare with having an FX series cpu and my present video card? My needs are for photo processing not for gaming so I strongly suspect I'd see an improvement from the performance I'm getting now with this current machine. If I went with the FX series I'd probably have to add to the cost of my new build a new video card. Can't do that right now. As some have said, if we were all members of the 1 percent we'd all be able to go Intel all the way. I'm outraged that AMD does seem to be forever behind the 8 ball against Intel and wonder why. Have they conceded the lead or can one say they excel in at least the area of graphics which I've always understood to be the case? What's going to give me more bang for my buck when it comes to photo editing? The A-Series or the FX series?

 

[DominionSeraph]

Start by reading the initial post. He can't afford a discrete graphics card.

Has he gone through General Hardware? No. So you don't know what he can and can't afford.

Crap. Bitten by a necro.

 

[monstercameron]

apu then dgpu later is a good route, gameplay vids in the sig...

 

[Silverforce11]

A10 games really well, surprisingly well at 1080p with fast ram. BF3 1080p, custom present with medium textures, looks excellent and runs smooth 40+ fps.

Its really the right hardware for people don't want want to spend too much, and the overall system power use is lower than separate quad core + low end discrete.

 

[frozentundra123456]

A10 games really well, surprisingly well at 1080p with fast ram. BF3 1080p, custom present with medium textures, looks excellent and runs smooth 40+ fps.

Its really the right hardware for people don't want want to spend too much, and the overall system power use is lower than separate quad core + low end discrete.

Really? Anands review only got 24 frames per second at 900p. That was high quality, but to get 40 plus at 1080 seems a stretch even at lowest quality.

 

[Silverforce11]

Really? Anands review only got 24 frames per second at 900p. That was high quality, but to get 40 plus at 1080 seems a stretch even at lowest quality.

Because HDAO/HDBAO sucks like 25% performance for "darker" shadows, its pointless to enable some features.

A custom preset with textures on medium, and most things on low = a good looking clean texture game, better looking than consoles by a long way and runs very smooth.

When one games with APU or low end discrete, one needs to play around with settings and customize it to give the best trade off in IQ vs performance. Tweaking does wonders.

Edit: On Metro map. just to clarify. On bigger map it drops to 30 fps or so. hehe

 

[AtenRa]

I wouldnt call it playable at 1080p even on metro with lowest settings at 1080p.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

I've seen most of the arguements going back and forth as to the merits and demerits of this processor. It really does matter what one's budget is and what a user plans on doing with their machine. I'm going for an extreme upgrade from an Athlon II 2.8ghz duo core processor so I think I'd benefit from anything either in the FX or A series. I haven't the funds for an upgraded video card so I'm looking at the A10-6800K to pair with my Radeon 6570. From what I've read of this processor that's the bottom end of what can be Xfired with this cpu. How would that pairing compare with having an FX series cpu and my present video card? My needs are for photo processing not for gaming so I strongly suspect I'd see an improvement from the performance I'm getting now with this current machine. If I went with the FX series I'd probably have to add to the cost of my new build a new video card. Can't do that right now. As some have said, if we were all members of the 1 percent we'd all be able to go Intel all the way. I'm outraged that AMD does seem to be forever behind the 8 ball against Intel and wonder why. Have they conceded the lead or can one say they excel in at least the area of graphics which I've always understood to be the case? What's going to give me more bang for my buck when it comes to photo editing? The A-Series or the FX series?

I'd suggest starting a new thread over in general hardware, rather then bumping an older thread...

But to answer your question, you'll get more bang for buck with the FX since you already have a decent video card for non-gaming. Something like a 6300/6350 or even better an 8320 would be a good choice. If you don't have the budget for one I'd highly recommend looking at a 750K/760K. These are FM2 CPUs but without the graphics core. They're both very good value for money.

Welcome to the forums.

 

[justin4pack]

Well just for the info for anyone trying to make a decision on an APU to save some money, ill post my review. I was wanting to save some money as well and put together a a6-5400k with 8G 1600 RAM and a FM2A55M Board. for around $145, threw it in a generic case with a 250w Hp ps. Overclocked the gpu to around 950mhz cpu to stable 4.1ghz and RAM to 1866. so just slight overclock. Was able to minecraft without a hitch. Leage of legends on high and also Diablo 3 on high. Those were the only games we played on it so I cant comment on more demanding games but it did all of that just fine. Was a great Setup and it was only the a6. Don't always need the best of the best of the best to do what you want. I find that I sometimes find myself wanting to spend 200 or 300 more dollars on a cpu and or GPU and I have to take a min and just reflect. I took the plunge on this cheap setup and I was very impressed.

 

[SiliconWars]

Well just for the info for anyone trying to make a decision on an APU to save some money, ill post my review. I was wanting to save some money as well and put together a a6-5400k with 8G 1600 RAM and a FM2A55M Board. for around $145, threw it in a generic case with a 250w Hp ps. Overclocked the gpu to around 950mhz cpu to stable 4.1ghz and RAM to 1866. so just slight overclock. Was able to minecraft without a hitch. Leage of legends on high and also Diablo 3 on high. Those were the only games we played on it so I cant comment on more demanding games but it did all of that just fine. Was a great Setup and it was only the a6. Don't always need the best of the best of the best to do what you want. I find that I sometimes find myself wanting to spend 200 or 300 more dollars on a cpu and or GPU and I have to take a min and just reflect. I took the plunge on this cheap setup and I was very impressed.

This is basically the point of APU's. If you're an enthusiast fps players or ever have been, they won't be good enough and you'll soon be hankering for more performance.

If you're a first time PC buyer, a parent buying for a younger kid, somebody who plays older games like counterstrike etc...these APU's are superb. They just aren't good enough for the very latest "boutique" games at anything other than the lowest settings.

When I look through my games list it becomes very obvious that an APU will be good enough for me soon. I just don't need the ultimate performance in MMO's, strategy or even older fps games.

 

[frozentundra123456]

This is basically the point of APU's. If you're an enthusiast fps players or ever have been, they won't be good enough and you'll soon be hankering for more performance.

If you're a first time PC buyer, a parent buying for a younger kid, somebody who plays older games like counterstrike etc...these APU's are superb. They just aren't good enough for the very latest "boutique" games at anything other than the lowest settings.

When I look through my games list it becomes very obvious that an APU will be good enough for me soon. I just don't need the ultimate performance in MMO's, strategy or even older fps games.

If you want to play at 1080p there are a lot of games that are not going to be playable, even at low to medium. The point to me is that on the desktop, you can still get twice the performance for very nearly the same cost with something like an athlon 750 and a HD 7750. Except for something like an AIO or SFF, I just don't see an apu as the best solution in the desktop.

 

[tential]

http://www.techspot.com/review/681-amd-a10-6800k-a4-4000/page6.html

Is this what you call playable?
Medal of honor: 18 fps
Metro last light: 14 fps
Max payne 3: 24 fps

And mind you this is 1680x1050. Cut another 15% from fps for 1080p.
Since when 15 fps is considered playable? That's a spastic slideshow, that causes diziness, not entertainment.
You can torture yourself and call that gaming, for the sake of your AMD crusade, but don't try to bs us that 15 fps is "playable".
I'd better go bang my head in the wall than try to play any game at this fps.

Sorry but this whole post is completely not related to this topic. Why? Because the resolution is 1680x1050. If a person is considering an APU then a 7850, we can assume that they aren't looking to play at 1680x1050. Unless you have a better CPU/GPU combination that comes close to the value of an APU at the lowend, why just sit here and thrash AMD.

When it comes to 720p (which many people STILL play on today aka Xbox 360 and PS3) APUs do perfectly fine.

This is basically the point of APU's. If you're an enthusiast fps players or ever have been, they won't be good enough and you'll soon be hankering for more performance.

If you're a first time PC buyer, a parent buying for a younger kid, somebody who plays older games like counterstrike etc...these APU's are superb. They just aren't good enough for the very latest "boutique" games at anything other than the lowest settings.

When I look through my games list it becomes very obvious that an APU will be good enough for me soon. I just don't need the ultimate performance in MMO's, strategy or even older fps games.

I'm thinking of an APU for a mobile gaming rig but IMO AMD still has a lot of work to do there.

APUs I think are perfect for "console emulation experience" I call it. 720, all high settings etc. I still play my 360, and I like it and it's 720p so I don't see why playing at 720p is so bad. Yes, for the ENTHUSIAST, it's not going to happen. For the average gamer? Especially one who came from consoles? Definitely will work.

IMO this is the largest area for growth AMD has. If AMD could make a mobile APU with good enough CPU performance, and a GPU that could play games at PS4/Xbox One level settings in a mobile platform by 2015, they could market that to the back to school crowd very well. That's a very large market of buyers and the young males would be all over it. "Can't bring my Xbox to school, so I guess I'll get a laptop with an AMD APU that can play those same games". Definitely a good market for AMD if they can get the performance there in time. I think they've just been a little too far back and haven't marketed it the right way so far.

 

[blackened23]

If you want to play at 1080p there are a lot of games that are not going to be playable, even at low to medium. The point to me is that on the desktop, you can still get twice the performance for very nearly the same cost with something like an athlon 750 and a HD 7750. Except for something like an AIO or SFF, I just don't see an apu as the best solution in the desktop.

You're just stating the obvious here. I don't think APUs were designed for that type of usage, I think of them mostly as being suitable for HTPC, small form factor cases (with light use) or CPUs for those who play older games at lower resolutions. And for that type of usage, they're certainly great CPUs - I wouldn't hesitate to toss a 5800/6800k into a HTPC. Certainly using an AMD APU is not much different than attempting to game on HD4600.

If you want to game at 1080p, I don't think any integrated graphics solution will be usable, be it AMD or intel. I'm not fan of AMD desktop FX CPUs, but I can appreciate the APUs for what they are. They're low cost chips which are great for the target market - they're not designed for what you're describing. If you want 1080p gaming with the best experience, you'll always want a dGPU no matter what. Again, these chips are NOT designed for enthusiasts who want the best of everything - however, they are great budget CPUs which can handle 720p gaming fine for the most part in a HTPC.

 

[frozentundra123456]

With all due respect, you're just stating the obvious here. I don't think APUs were designed for that type of usage, I think of them mostly as being suitable for HTPC, small form factor cases (with light use) or CPUs for those who play older games at lower resolutions. And for that type of usage, they're certainly great CPUs - I wouldn't hesitate to toss a 5800/6800k into a HTPC. Certainly using an AMD APU is not much different than attempting to game on HD4600.

If you want to game at 1080p, I don't think any integrated graphics solution will be usable, be it AMD or intel. I'm not fan of AMD desktop FX CPUs, but I can appreciate the APUs for what they are. They're low cost chips which are great for the target market - they're not designed for what you're describing. If you want 1080p gaming with the best experience, you'll always want a dGPU no matter what. Again, these chips are NOT designed for enthusiasts who want the best of everything - however, they are great budget CPUs which can handle 720p gaming fine for the most part in a HTPC.

"With all due respect", which is an expression that always means someone is getting ready to criticize you, what is your point? I said basically the same thing. As for the HD 4600, it makes even less sense to try to game on that than on an amd APU.

 

[blackened23]

Oh. Okay. Fixed. You said basically the same thing, except this is what I saw:

If you want to play at 1080p there are a lot of games that are not going to be playable, even at low to medium.

If that wasn't your point, why say it. And with that I bid you and this silly thread adieu.

 

[Obsoleet]

My next CPU will be an APU.
I'm going for the best AMD has. Reason is that CPU power from Intel is grossly overpowered for my purposes, and I do more than most people with my computer (I use mine as a HTPC, multiple VMs, gaming, Handbrake, software development).

The AMD APU has a strong backup GPU integrated incase you find yourself inbetween discrete GPUs or if you simply want to wait until next gen cards are released.

Do what you will, but I'm kissing standalone CPUs goodbye, and in the APU realm, AMD stands tallest.

 

[frozentundra123456]

My next CPU will be an APU.
I'm going for the best AMD has. Reason is that CPU power from Intel is grossly overpowered for my purposes, and I do more than most people with my computer (I use mine as a HTPC, multiple VMs, gaming, Handbrake, software development).

The AMD APU has a strong backup GPU integrated incase you find yourself inbetween discrete GPUs or if you simply want to wait until next gen cards are released.

Do what you will, but I'm kissing standalone CPUs goodbye, and in the APU realm, AMD stands tallest.

You already have a dgpu stronger than any apu. Why would you want to downgrade to an apu while waiting for an upgrade to the next gen discrete? Each to his own I guess....

 

[Sazuzaki]

at low res maybe 720p low-med settings that APU can handle it since it can handle BF3 at 720p at medium settings and get around 30-40fps.

 

[Obsoleet]

You already have a dgpu stronger than any apu. Why would you want to downgrade to an apu while waiting for an upgrade to the next gen discrete? Each to his own I guess....

I wouldn't be downgrading, I'd just put my standalone card in the APU system. This is theoretical for me, because by the time I build another system, APUs will be much faster than today. Also, with whatever APU that might be at that time, if my card died I might just use the APU if it's workable. They're no 5870, but they're getting pretty decent if you tweak on the options a little bit.

Eventually I expect to abandon dgpus entirely, and I'm hoping the 5870 lasts long enough that it's my last one. The GPU portion of an APU is definitely more important to me than the CPU portion. That's why to me Intel doesn't have much to offer.

 

[Dark Shroud]

You already have a dgpu stronger than any apu. Why would you want to downgrade to an apu while waiting for an upgrade to the next gen discrete? Each to his own I guess....

This has been quiet for a day but let me put it this way.

I already built one A6 APU box for a women who just wanted a system good enough to play some basic games, most of which are JAVA & Flash based. She loves it.

I'm going to build two more APU systems for my brother and sister. I'm looking to build Kaveri (steamroller) systems for them. It will be perfect for my sister.

When the video power isn't enough for my little brother I can just over clock the IGP & then crosslink/crossfire it a low end GCN card. This is more performance than any Core i3 or lower end offerings from Intel that so many people here continue to recommend for the same price.

 

[frozentundra123456]

This has been quiet for a day but let me put it this way.

I already built one A6 APU box for a women who just wanted a system good enough to play some basic games, most of which are JAVA & Flash based. She loves it.

I'm going to build two more APU systems for my brother and sister. I'm looking to build Kaveri (steamroller) systems for them. It will be perfect for my sister.

When the video power isn't enough for my little brother I can just over clock the IGP & then crosslink/crossfire it a low end GCN card. This is more performance than any Core i3 or lower end offerings from Intel that so many people here continue to recommend for the same price.

Nobody is claiming that one should game on the igp of an Intel processor. That is just a red herring. That cannot change the fact that a cheap CPU like an athlon 750 and a discrete 7750 will give twice the performance of an apu at only a very minimal increase in price. Seems like an obvious choice to me. As for assymetric crossfire--- good luck with that. The improvements are hit and miss and microstutter can be a serious problem.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Nobody is claiming that one should game on the igp of an Intel processor. That is just a red herring. That cannot change the fact that a cheap CPU like an athlon 750 and a discrete 7750 will give twice the performance of an apu at only a very minimal increase in price. Seems like an obvious choice to me. As for assymetric crossfire--- good luck with that. The improvements are hit and miss and microstutter can be a serious problem.

This^^

The 750K has almost unbeatable value in the budget segment and the new 760K looks beastly for the price currently (in Europe)...

 

[AtenRa]

You cannot put the 750K/760K plus the HD7750 in to this