For sure and that makes sense. So why were were people feeling that they were deliberate in making it clear that Vega 20 was not for gamers? That's the issue. I couldn't care less if they did or didn't make it a consumer card (honestly if they're making money from it, awesome for them, and great for the people that this is a good product for, including well to do gamers that could use the extra performance it has but didn't want to go with Nvidia for whatever reason).
looks like some benches got leaked ahead of launch.
https://videocardz.com/79870/amd-radeon-vii-benchmarks-leak-ahead-of-launch
1) AMD has NEVER done a pro only GPU chip.
Until recently, Vega20 was a pro-only GPU chip. Nobody expected Radeon VII.
Clearly the cards were designed for a much more expensive pro market with their very expensive 7nm and 16GB HBM design. Obviously you can use a pro card like that for gaming too - it works. The question is more whether it's cost efficient to do so, which the Vega 7 is not. If it was designed as a gaming card it would be cheaper and not have 16GB of HBM. If it was a gaming chip they'd be looking to sell lots of them, which they know they won't at $700.The same reason people believe conspiracy theories. Jumping to conclusions on no evidence just like you did. The FACTS are:
1) AMD has NEVER done a pro only GPU chip.
2) AMD is the king of squeezing every niche out of a single die. Just look at Ryzen, everything from lowly quad cores to 32 core enterprise on a single die.
3) Lisa Su has stated publicly that it was always intended to be a consumer gaming GPU, you know like every GPU AMD has ever made.
OTOH we have "feelings" because AMD reps didn't state the obvious that their GPU chip would also be used in gaming card, like every single other GPU chip they ever made, that for some unknown reason, they would limit this GPU chip to a limited niche and not release it as a gaming card.
Clearly the cards were designed for a much more expensive pro market with their very expensive 7nm and 16GB HBM design. Obviously you can use a pro card like that for gaming too - it works. The question is more whether it's cost efficient to do so, which the Vega 7 is not. If it was designed as a gaming card it would be cheaper and not have 16GB of HBM. If it was a gaming chip they'd be looking to sell lots of them, which they know they won't at $700.
IF HBM is really that expensive they could do cheaper 12GB or 8GB model (though with the loss of memory bandwidth), by simply leaving out an HBM stack or two. A two stack Vega7 shouldn't really cost much more to build than Vega 64.
It's not just the HBM itself but also the interposer and putting it together (and there are failures here as well).
I thought Vega VII was supposed to be faster then the 1080 and 2080 yet in those benches its not even beating a 1070.looks like some benches got leaked ahead of launch.
https://videocardz.com/79870/amd-radeon-vii-benchmarks-leak-ahead-of-launch
I remember when NVIDIA did something I thought was not very good which was release the 9800GTX which was the same as the 8800GTX.
AMD or ATI if you want to call them that relesed the 8000 series Radeon which was basically the same as the 7000 series Radeon GPU. Similar move that NVIDIA did. Same product with different name. Then AMD released the 500 series Radeon thatwas the same as the 400 series.
NVIDIA started that and AMD continued that tradition.
ATI is not the same people as AMD.
I always wanted ATI and AMD put in my build.
The Radeon name is still being sold but the people behind the brand have changed and it shows with how they market their products.
They did not bother making a new 9000 series Radeon. I think I am a bigger fan of the ATI 9800 Radeon than I would have been a fan of an AMD Radeon that might have been called 9870.
I am not sure I like either NVIDIA or AMD better than ATI. Yes the AMD Radeons having more processing capability than the ATI Radeons but I think PC gaming was cooler in the past. We have more graphics today but I would not say better gameplay. Crysis is a game where you have the option of attacking people while they can not see you. Who likes the sniper role? I do not.
This is what is being discussed, so the point is that until people jumped to conclusions about Vega20, there had never been a Pro-only chip (and there still isn't today).
Also you can't say nobody expected a gaming card based on Vega20. I did, and I am certain many others did as well.
AMD at its Computex event confirmed that "Vega 20" will build Radeon Instinct and Radeon Pro graphics cards, and that it has no plans to bring it to the client-segment. That distinction will be reserved for "Navi," which could only debut in 2019, if not later.
I thought Vega VII was supposed to be faster then the 1080 and 2080 yet in those benches its not even beating a 1070.
Do you downvote everyone with whom you have disagreement? What is wrong with you? Leave those buttons alone if you don't know what to do with them.
AMD practically said that they had no plans to release Vega20 to the public, and that Navi was their consumer-facing card.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-vega-20-7nm-graphics-cards/
https://www.techpowerup.com/247006/amd-7nm-vega-by-december-not-a-die-shrink-of-vega-10
All the roadmaps they released before announcing Radeon VII - ALL of them! - had Vega20 as a pro-only product. Your "expectations" flew in the face of everything AMD corporate released to the public.
But then, after looking at NVidia reporting its 4Q losses, maybe this really wasn't a good idea?
AMD practically said that they had no plans to release Vega20 to the public, and that Navi was their consumer-facing card.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-vega-20-7nm-graphics-cards/
https://www.techpowerup.com/247006/amd-7nm-vega-by-december-not-a-die-shrink-of-vega-10
All the roadmaps they released before announcing Radeon VII - ALL of them! - had Vega20 as a pro-only product. Your "expectations" flew in the face of everything AMD corporate released to the public.
AMD practically said that they had no plans to release Vega20 to the public, and that Navi was their consumer-facing card.
Quite different cards.I remember when NVIDIA did something I thought was not very good which was release the 9800GTX which was the same as the 8800GTX..
Quite different cards.
8800gtx = 384bit bus, 768mb vram, 90nm process, G80 uarch - Launch price around $650
9800gtx = 256bit bus, 512 vram, 65nm, G92 - Launch price $349
p.s. you must have been thinking 8800gt vs 9800gt. Yes these I believe were the same.
Of course it's also possible that it is as (ironically) I think Jim @ AdoredTV said...
Not even sure why its such a big deal if AMD said they would or would not release a consumer version.
It's only a big deal to certain individuals. I for one like a market with options but it seems some people on this forum don't.