AMD Announces their GameWorks Equivalent

[3DVagabond]

People need to realize companies have some stuff that works and some that doesn't. Intel, AMD, nVidia, Google, etc...

Mantle did work. We'd be on DX11.3 w/single core rendering without the push and work that AMD did with Mantle. Freesync is ticking along just fine. We'll see how this goes. Gameworks is far from plug and play and it's the lazy Devs that seem to be using it which compounds the issues.

And don't get me wrong. There are no "good guy" devs and publishers. It's a pretty scummy business. They treat artists like a commodity and rip them and each other off left and right.

 

[AtenRa]

I think he meant AMD itself needs to provide a lot of support and development. Maybe they will. It sounds great for AMD to support "open standards", but somebody needs to take charge, give the project direction and engineering support. Again it reminds me of HSA. I forget the name of the organization, but there is a huge consortium of companies that are "supporting" HSA, but where has it gone?

It is one thing for a company to develop something to completion, and then make it open source for everyone else to use. It is quite another to have some ideas, make them "open source" and hope somebody develops and makes use of it.

Let me post those here so people have a glimpse of what AMD GPUopen brings and not say things like you just did.

 

[Beer4Me]

This already failed, they just renamed it. It won't gain traction because developers need/want money too. AMD is broke right now, and the last thing AMD will ever do (as they have never done before) is spend money on proper marketing.

 

[3DVagabond]

This already failed, they just renamed it. It won't gain traction because developers need/want money too. AMD is broke right now, and the last thing AMD will ever do (as they have never done before) is spend money on proper marketing.

This is not marketing.

 

[MajinCry]

Wonder if HIP will be used in portin' over those CUDA renderers for 3DS Max. Could be swanky.

 

[DeathReborn]

This is not marketing.

Can you show me where to plug in these slides to gain the benefits of the program?

All AMD has right now is a few parts of this ready/almost ready, some either not started or not finished and some sorely needing polishing, improvements or just to be completely rewritten.

Unless AMD or someone else rolls out improvements to the program it will forever be a hydra of options that each developer develops on their own on top of it and leads it into an ungodly tangled mess. This is where AMD historically falls over, no follow-through.

 

[boozzer]

haha, I find it extremely telling how some are trying so hard in putting this down before it even starts.

WTH do you have against something that is nothing but good?

so nutty.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

I don't think anyone wants this to fail... Everyone just expects it to.

 

[cmdrdredd]

haha, I find it extremely telling how some are trying so hard in putting this down before it even starts.

WTH do you have against something that is nothing but good?

so nutty.

I have something against people acting like this is the second coming and that AMD is all saintly while Nvidia is satan when this is mostly an offering they have had before under a new name. The reason Gameworks is in so many titles is because Nvidia spends lots of money helping devs implement it. If they did not, it wouldn't be used probably half as much. That's the difference. AMD simply cannot afford to spend the money and resources the same as Nvidia does. I don't think anyone can honestly say that if they were working on a game engine and Nvidia approached them in order to help them implement features from the gameworks program and Nvidia threw a monetary number at them that they would outright decline.

 

[3DVagabond]

I don't think anyone wants this to fail... Everyone just expects it to.

I think you are wrong. While many approach with skepticism, and understandably, there are a whole bunch who want anything associated with AMD to fail. Look at the ones who say "everything" they do "always" fails and refuse to acknowledge and successes AMD has had, even when pointed out to them.

And everyone doesn't expect it to fail. Some just accept it at face value and will wait and see. Some of us see Mantle and Freesync as successful and don't feel the need to go back to before ATI was purchased by AMD to point out failures. Or three or more CEO's ago.

 

[AtenRa]

Can you show me where to plug in these slides to gain the benefits of the program?

All AMD has right now is a few parts of this ready/almost ready, some either not started or not finished and some sorely needing polishing, improvements or just to be completely rewritten.

Unless AMD or someone else rolls out improvements to the program it will forever be a hydra of options that each developer develops on their own on top of it and leads it into an ungodly tangled mess. This is where AMD historically falls over, no follow-through.

If im not mistaken they will be available at the GitHub from January 2016.

 

[frozentundra123456]

This is not marketing.

Then what is it???

 

[3DVagabond]

Then what is it???

Do not confuse the announcement of the program with the actual program. You do have to announce it somehow though.

 

[AnandThenMan]

I don't think anyone wants this to fail...

I think you are wrong many people want AMD to outright fail and exit the industry.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I think you are wrong many people want AMD to outright fail and exit the industry.

I think you are wrong. However what you write is the classic excuse to avoid the reality check and blame someone else. But it also fits the mantra that AMD can do no wrong. Its always someone else fault.

 

[Beer4Me]

I have something against people acting like this is the second coming and that AMD is all saintly while Nvidia is satan when this is mostly an offering they have had before under a new name. The reason Gameworks is in so many titles is because Nvidia spends lots of money helping devs implement it. If they did not, it wouldn't be used probably half as much. That's the difference. AMD simply cannot afford to spend the money and resources the same as Nvidia does. I don't think anyone can honestly say that if they were working on a game engine and Nvidia approached them in order to help them implement features from the gameworks program and Nvidia threw a monetary number at them that they would outright decline.

^^^ x100. This guy gets it. I don't think any of us want this to fail at all, at least I hope not. Competition is great after all. It's just we've seen this before with AMD/ATi. Let's just say history has a nasty habit of repeating itself.

 

[3DVagabond]

Where are people getting that AMD doesn't offer support to devs?

 

[cmdrdredd]

Where are people getting that AMD doesn't offer support to devs?

I don't know what site you are reading...

 

[3DVagabond]

I don't know what site you are reading...

I'm not understanding what you are getting at with this post.

 

[Pariah]

Where are people getting that AMD doesn't offer support to devs?

Where are people getting that AMD does offer support to devs? There is absolutely zero reason for AMD to keep something like that a secret. Nvidia has a whole marketing program to tell customers about the devs they are helping. If AMD was doing it, they would be telling us. Granted, AMD has demonstrated time and time again that they are run by morons, so maybe they think such information should be hidden like an Easter Egg in the games they helped developers with so that only a select few people acquire the insider knowledge that AMD is offering help.

 

[3DVagabond]

Where are people getting that AMD does offer support to devs? There is absolutely zero reason for AMD to keep something like that a secret. Nvidia has a whole marketing program to tell customers about the devs they are helping. If AMD was doing it, they would be telling us. Granted, AMD has demonstrated time and time again that they are run by morons, so maybe they think such information should be hidden like an Easter Egg in the games they helped developers with so that only a select few people acquire the insider knowledge that AMD is offering help.

How can you read the OP and not think AMD is offering support? Have you not heard of Gaming Evolved? I'm really flabbergasted. Look at the tools they are giving to devs. Do you think they will do that and not have a program to implement it? Remember when they had all of the devs signed up to the Mantle program just so they could get a head start on DX12? Most of them were never going to make a Mantle game and AMD knew it.

And when is the constant comparison to nVidia marketing going to stop? "nVidia would sell it or keep it to themselves and AMD just gives it away." This surprises people. When are people going to realize that except for the industry they are in the two companies share nothing else about the way they do business? Just because Lisa doesn't CC us in every time AMD does something doesn't mean they don't have any game development programs in place.

 

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[guskline]

Good news for AMD. I've noticed ever since the spin off into a separate division that solid info is coming out about their plans.

Look at my specs below and you can see that I have both Nvidia AND AMD cards. I'm fortunate enough (and old enough - 65 soon!) to have my two rigs to compare.

I originally started with a single Sapphire Tri-X R9 290 when the price calmed down and you could get them for @$280-300 vs the crazy mining induced pricing. The Sapphire has a great air cooler but since I have custom water cooled rigs a water block was ordered. A single R9 290 morphed into 2 in CF for the 5960x rig while a single Sapphire Tri-X air-cooled R9 290 occupied rig 2 which was a 3770k rig.

Then the Titan X vs Fury X release had me rethink the dual card for single card approach. Low and behold Nvidia pulled a fast one and released the GTX980TI and after a bit of a wait the EVAG GTX980TI SC fit the bill. I also water cooled it. About the same time the 3770k mb was on the fritz so I decided to go with a Devil's Canyon 4790k as rig two. Acquired some more water cooling parts and now have a WC'd 4790k @ a solid and cool 4.7Ghz with R9 290s WC'd in CF.

For me improvement by either AMD or Nvidia is a win. I notice that opinions tend to get a "little heated" either way when I look at the sig and notice the poster has either an AMD card or a Nvidia card only.

Again this news should make both camps happy. AMD gets back into the race, to some degree, and Nvidia keeps the pedal to the metal.