Amd apu love....

[ericlp]

So, a few years ago I bought a acer laptop with a E350 AMD APU. I've been using it ever since I've taken trips all across the USA.

I built my home in Hawaii, now I have it on 24 hours a day hooked up to my 47" TV via HDMI. Honestly I really like it. I hardly game anymore. Use to be a hardcore gamer with 1K watt P/S (maybe I have out grown it).

Anyhow... My dad needs a new computer and I think I might want to upgrade my system as well. Right now my 1.6 E350 only sips 18 watts of power. And I really don't care to build something that sucks down 6-700 watts constantly. So... This is what I have been thinking of now.

AMD A10-5800K APU 3.8Ghz Processor AD580KWOHJBOX $120
MSI Socket FM2/AMD A75/DDR3/SATA3&USB3.0/A&GbE/MicroATX Motherboard FM2-A75MA-E35 $55
Corsair Vengeance Red 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1866 MHz (PC3 15000) Desktop Memory (CMZ8GX3M2A1866C9R) $53
Rosewill Black ATX Computer Case with 500-Watt Power Supply R519-BK $65


basically I can buy these parts for around 300 bucks. Slap in a TB hard drive with windows 7 pro. Should be good to go? These prices are all from Amazon. Since Amazon ships to Hawaii for free.

Any thoughts of better or cheaper ram? Will 16 Gigs of ram improve speed with games? or is 8 Gig good enough? Right now my laptop buzzes well with 4Gigs.

Anyone here own an A10? This is the fastest APU AMD has out now right? I really don't think I want to go over 100 watts for power. I think I'm gonna see a big improvement going from a dual core 1.6 to quad core 3.8 plus I think the GPU is gonna be kicked up to 3-4 times faster as well.

Micro ATX into an ATX computer case should be good?

For a budget build and mid level gaming capabilities I don't think I can do much worse than this. What ya think before I start buying parts?

I am guessing with an optical drive and a TB HD, this system will pump down about an average of 150 watts? Maybe 120-130watts if I spin down the hard driver? I'm on solar so...... I gotta be realistic.



Thanks for your input! I've been out of the loop for 3-4 years now!

 

[Torn Mind]

I think answering the following questions can help:
What will this desktop be used for?
What applications do you expect to use?
What is the most demanding application you use?

Hard Drive power consumption can be determined by looking at the hard drive and finding its rated voltage and amperage and then multiplying volts times amps to get the rated watts.

 

[frozentundra123456]

So, a few years ago I bought a acer laptop with a E350 AMD APU. I've been using it ever since I've taken trips all across the USA.

I built my home in Hawaii, now I have it on 24 hours a day hooked up to my 47" TV via HDMI. Honestly I really like it. I hardly game anymore. Use to be a hardcore gamer with 1K watt P/S (maybe I have out grown it).

Anyhow... My dad needs a new computer and I think I might want to upgrade my system as well. Right now my 1.6 E350 only sips 18 watts of power. And I really don't care to build something that sucks down 6-700 watts constantly. So... This is what I have been thinking of now.

AMD A10-5800K APU 3.8Ghz Processor AD580KWOHJBOX $120
MSI Socket FM2/AMD A75/DDR3/SATA3&USB3.0/A&GbE/MicroATX Motherboard FM2-A75MA-E35 $55
Corsair Vengeance Red 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1866 MHz (PC3 15000) Desktop Memory (CMZ8GX3M2A1866C9R) $53
Rosewill Black ATX Computer Case with 500-Watt Power Supply R519-BK $65


basically I can buy these parts for around 300 bucks. Slap in a TB hard drive with windows 7 pro. Should be good to go? These prices are all from Amazon. Since Amazon ships to Hawaii for free.

Any thoughts of better or cheaper ram? Will 16 Gigs of ram improve speed with games? or is 8 Gig good enough? Right now my laptop buzzes well with 4Gigs.

Anyone here own an A10? This is the fastest APU AMD has out now right? I really don't think I want to go over 100 watts for power. I think I'm gonna see a big improvement going from a dual core 1.6 to quad core 3.8 plus I think the GPU is gonna be kicked up to 3-4 times faster as well.

Micro ATX into an ATX computer case should be good?

For a budget build and mid level gaming capabilities I don't think I can do much worse than this. What ya think before I start buying parts?

I am guessing with an optical drive and a TB HD, this system will pump down about an average of 150 watts? Maybe 120-130watts if I spin down the hard driver? I'm on solar so...... I gotta be realistic.



Thanks for your input! I've been out of the loop for 3-4 years now!

The A10 is a good choice for most use. It really depends on how much and how demanding you are in regards to gaming. The A10 igpu is adequate for older games and some modern games at low to moderate resolutions and quality settings. For more more graphically demanding current titles and probably for a lot of future games, you would need a discrete card, especially at 1080p resolution or above. If you will want to add a discrete card, an FX6300 or intel i3 is a better choice for a midrange gaming set up.

The A10 or any full power modern CPU for that matter, even a celeron on pentium will be a huge improvement over an E350 though.

 

[bononos]

......
Anyone here own an A10? This is the fastest APU AMD has out now right? I really don't think I want to go over 100 watts for power. I think I'm gonna see a big improvement going from a dual core 1.6 to quad core 3.8 plus I think the GPU is gonna be kicked up to 3-4 times faster as well.

Micro ATX into an ATX computer case should be good?

For a budget build and mid level gaming capabilities I don't think I can do much worse than this. What ya think before I start buying parts?

I am guessing with an optical drive and a TB HD, this system will pump down about an average of 150 watts? Maybe 120-130watts if I spin down the hard driver? I'm on solar so...... I gotta be realistic.

Thanks for your input! I've been out of the loop for 3-4 years now!

An ATX should accomodate a mATX, might even be better since you got more room to fiddle with wiring if your case was cramped before.

The A10 Trinity unfortunately sucks up alot of power compared to an i3 which is its closest competitor in performance. Gpu wise, its waaay faster than anything Intel has. I would consider a piledriver i3 instead since you said you hardly play any games anymore and if you are more concerned about power consumption.

 

[wirednuts]

yeah tough call. i think the i3 is better if you dont game because it doesnt draw as much power and it still plays any 1080p video and whatnot.

but if you plan to game at all on it, even just casual game, go amd. because even if its just casual games, in a year or two there will be new casual games that you want to play and they might not work well on slower apu's.

im a huge fan of amd's apu's. i think they are stellar performers- better then what they seem on paper. the e350 just plain kicks ass for what it is. in an htpc setting, i can barely tell the difference from an i3. why they stopped making the e350's with no replacements i cannot imagine. people didnt buy them because of the rocky start they had with various software (SILVERLIGHT) but now, these days, the e350's are dream chips. they destroy atom offerings...

 

[Torn Mind]

yeah tough call. i think the i3 is better if you dont game because it doesnt draw as much power and it still plays any 1080p video and whatnot.

but if you plan to game at all on it, even just casual game, go amd. because even if its just casual games, in a year or two there will be new casual games that you want to play and they might not work well on slower apu's.

im a huge fan of amd's apu's. i think they are stellar performers- better then what they seem on paper. the e350 just plain kicks ass for what it is. in an htpc setting, i can barely tell the difference from an i3. why they stopped making the e350's with no replacements i cannot imagine. people didnt buy them because of the rocky start they had with various software (SILVERLIGHT) but now, these days, the e350's are dream chips. they destroy atom offerings...

E-350s were replaced by E2-1800 APU.

 

[mfenn]

You'd be hard pressed to even build a PC that took 700W continuously, especially not on your budget. Today, efficient parts are the rule, not the exception.

Reading your OP, it looks like you have about $500 to spend. Can you confirm? Also, the questions that others have asked about the specifics of your gaming expectations would be good to have answers to.

 

[Zodiark1593]

Would an i3 (or Pentium) and a Radeon 7750 be up for consideration?

 

[VirtualLarry]

Would an i3 (or Pentium) and a Radeon 7750 be up for consideration?

Yes. Power-consumption of the A10 APUs, at full load, is still fairly high. If OP is on solar power, I would put power-efficiency above all. That would mean an Ivy Bridge i3 CPU. Then, because the Intel IGP is somewhat weak, I would suppliment that with a low-power GPU. The 7750 would be a nice choice.

 

[mfenn]

Yes. Power-consumption of the A10 APUs, at full load, is still fairly high. If OP is on solar power, I would put power-efficiency above all. That would mean an Ivy Bridge i3 CPU. Then, because the Intel IGP is somewhat weak, I would suppliment that with a low-power GPU. The 7750 would be a nice choice.

:thumbsup: Agree.

 

[ericlp]

:thumbsup: Agree.

:thumbsdown: NOT!

The i3 3225 is about as cheap as you can get and the most effient chip runs at idle 48Watts where a A10 will idle at 33Watts

But the i3 Full load will max out @ 80 watts where the A10 will be around 140 Watts.


but throw in a 7750 GPU and well.... Problem that it idles @ about 100 watts and can go to 200+ watts full load.

My game play tends to be shoot em up style like Left 4 Dead, Crysis, Half Life, COD etc...etc... I actually own all those on stream but.. I'm not gonna be playing a lot of those games. I looked at the performance of game play on the A10 from youtube. Looks good enough for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3whkWg7MM8w
L4D at 1080P

There are tones of game demo's with the A10. I haven't pull the trigger on the deal yet but getting close.

My budget really isn't a budget but something that shouldn't go over 150 watts I like the 33watts idle tho... Amazing. Probably won't be adding another 250 watt panel for the PC.

Thanks for the replies. I am really stocked with my E350, so I'm thinking an A10 will be just my ticket to freedom.

 

[frozentundra123456]

:thumbsdown: NOT!

The i3 3225 is about as cheap as you can get and the most effient chip runs at idle 48Watts where a A10 will idle at 33Watts

But the i3 Full load will max out @ 80 watts where the A10 will be around 140 Watts.


but throw in a 7750 GPU and well.... Problem that it idles @ about 100 watts and can go to 200+ watts full load.

My game play tends to be shoot em up style like Left 4 Dead, Crysis, Half Life, COD etc...etc... I actually own all those on stream but.. I'm not gonna be playing a lot of those games. I looked at the performance of game play on the A10 from youtube. Looks good enough for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3whkWg7MM8w
L4D at 1080
There are tones of game demo's with the A10. I haven't pull the trigger on the deal yet but getting close.

My budget really isn't a budget but something that shouldn't go over 150 watts I like the 33watts idle tho... Amazing. Probably won't be adding another 250 watt panel for the PC.

Thanks for the replies. I am really stocked with my E350, so I'm thinking an A10 will be just my ticket to freedom.

Sounds like you made up your mind before even starting the thread. The A10 I believe is rated for 100 watts while the i3 plus 7750 should be about 65 and 55 respectively or 120 watts. It will perform probably more than 20% better though, so for performance per watt, i3 plus discrete is competitive. Just depends on whether you are willing to use a bit more power for better performance and a better upgrade process.

 

[Torn Mind]

Brazos serves its purpose very well. But Piledriver+on die GPU is a bit of a different animal. You will undervolt and underclock that A10K once you feel you are nearing you power "ceiling". If you are dead set on an APU, you can just get a different A-series APU because they consume less power than the A10.

The 7750 has a TDP of 55 watts. It cannot idle at 100 watts or else AMD would never hear the end of it for misleading marketing. Unless you misread the total system power consumption as the GPU's power consumption, there is no explanation for you "It idles at 100w" comment.

In fact, its idle wattage could be a measly FIVE watts.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/HD_7750/24.html

AMD&#8217;s official idle power consumption figure is <10W for both the 7750 and 7750. In practice we find that there&#8217;s a 2W difference between the two cards, with the 7750 coming in at 104W at the wall and the 7770 at 106W. AMD&#8217;s continuing efforts to reduce idle power consumption are clearly paying off, making this the lowest idle power usage figures we&#8217;ve recorded yet.

This is from Anand's review of the cards.

The platform is why the Ivys were idling at higher wattage than the Trinities.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2276257&page=2

 

[mfenn]

Sounds like you made up your mind before even starting the thread. The A10 I believe is rated for 100 watts while the i3 plus 7750 should be about 65 and 55 respectively or 120 watts. It will perform probably more than 20% better though, so for performance per watt, i3 plus discrete is competitive. Just depends on whether you are willing to use a bit more power for better performance and a better upgrade process.

Ha, I get that feeling as well. Though I guess I should have known when he titled it "Amd apu love...".

OP, An i3 3220 (no point in talking about the 3225 if you're getting a discrete GPU) has a TDP of 55W, of which about 10W is reserved for the IGP. So really, the CPU part is 45W. Add that to the 55W TDP of the 7750, and you've got 100W, same as an A10-5800K. Idle will be ~20W as has been pointed out.

The only difference is that the i3 3220 and 7750 would be ~75% faster. Sorry if the facts get in the way of your preconceived notions.

 

[bononos]

Let him get a Trinity. AMD needs all the love it can get in these trying times.

 

[ericlp]

well I did admit I already like the my APU before I started and yes, I was leaning towards it from the get go. I wanted to hear others awesomeness on the chip as well. Or better yet dislikes!

I welcome any and all solutions and dunno where I got that information about a 7750 GPU going up to 250 watts I hear one can get them down to 50 watts.

I am on solar so... yes just maybe an I3 with a discrete AMD for about 70 bucks more with 20-30% faster for games might be just the ticket.

Anyway...... I haven't bought anything yet.... I'm still debating and looks like I might go ahead and build an A10 for my Dad since he just needs to buzz around on the net with it. Should be solid for his needs. And maybe go the i3 combo for myself. Kinda funny that AMD has not built a solution for an low sipping power chip like the i3.



Amazing results for an ASUS Radeon HD 7750 1GB

power consumption of 1.11 Watts for the whole graphics card during ZeroCore Power.

Power consumption of the HD 7750 is tiny, in all power states. In idle it uses a mere 5 Watts, which is the best result we have seen on any VGA card ever. It's also lower than the power consumption of Intel's IGP. Impressive!

During gaming the card is happy with around 40 W, a great result, too. Considering the rendering performance it delivers this card is the most power efficient design we have ever seen.

 

[Torn Mind]

Digressing from the discussion of the CPU for the moment, I did some quick info-hunting on the PSU within the case. I believe that it is unsuitable for your needs(and probably for most people, actually) due to its low efficiency and questionable quality.

it.dionicgroup.com/Files/Items/Files/file1_dccpc07048.pdf
http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4572

It has an efficiency of 65%. That means only 65% of the AC power drawn from the wall gets converted into the usable DC power the components in the computer uses.

So, for example, at 65% efficiency, if the components in a computer needs 100W of power, the PSU has to draw about 153 watts from the wall to supply 100W to the computer components.

PSU manufacturers can get a PSU 80 Plus Certified (or one of the higher levels). It's a voluntary certification that assures the buyer that the PSU has a certain minimum threshold of efficiency; that means some PSUs can be 80% or more efficient and yet not be certified. I believe the reviews at Anandtech usually uses PSUs that are 80% efficient or more, even those PSUs without the 80 Plus cert, i.e Antec's VP-450.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80_Plus#Efficiency_level_certifications


80 Plus Gold PSUs have a minimum efficiency of 87%. This lists some of the 80 Plus Gold PSUs on sale now. http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/power-supply/#e=5,4,3&sort=a7

Rosewill CAPSTONE-450
SeaSonic SSR-360GP

Under the hood, the Rosewill has a positive review from Anandtech and the Seasonic had positive reviews at johnnyGURU and Hardware Secrets.

So, you might want to reconsider your case as well. The PSUs aren't cheap, but you are reducing energy use, which you need, and you're getting a PSU that is better quality.

 

[Torn Mind]

Well, might as well put up a quote:

MSI LGA1155/Intel B75/DDR3/SATA3 and USB 3.0/A and GbE/MicroATX Motherboard B75MA-E33
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008KW62WK/?tag=pcpapi-20
$59.99

Core i3-3220
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0093H8HXS/?tag=pcpapi-20
$124.99

Patriot Memory Intel Extreme Masters 8 GB (2 x 4GB) 1600 Mhz
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008MF3R82/?tag=pcpapi-20
$31.99

Some 7750s:
http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/video-card/#c=80&sort=a5
GDDR5 is faster than DDR3, FYI.
It's about 95-105

PSU
Rosewill Capstone 450
or
Seasonic SSR-360GP
$59.99

That's $377 so far.

You'll need to pick out a case, which is something I'm not too familiar with. You can stick with the one you have, but you can get something different as well. I don't know cases very well.

 

[ericlp]

Well, after spending some more time looking at my options .... I'm leaning more and more on the A10.

And here....

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/46073-amd-a10-5800k-trinity-needs-faster-ram/?page=3

What does this mean? It means the A10 likes fast RAM.

These test prove how an A10 will work with faster RAM:

G.Skill TridentX 2 x 8GB @ 2133MHz 2T

http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-tri...-discrete-gpu-gaming-performance/17272-1.html

I believe with faster RAM your going to see the chip shine. Anyway. I'm not fan of AMD NOR INTEL, matter of fact I use to be more of a Fan of Intel until I got my first E350 APU. I like it so much I'm gonna buy another. The A10. I've looked at the Intel Platform and it's just not for me. I've also looked at the Data for i3/7750 combo where most tests have it about 20-30% faster as expected with a discreet graphics card. If it was truly 75% faster I might have been a different story but it's not.

Reasons. I don't game much... and my computer idles for 18-20 hours a day mostly.

A10 only sucks down 32 watts in idle mode.

Intel just the CPU will down 40! That's 160 Watts more a day and I haven't even included the 50-80 watts more for a GPU!

1) Doing what I want (mostly) Win for A10
2) More power Effient Win for A10
3) Cheaper (no need to buy a GPU) Win A10
4) Can use a small PSU 300 watts Win A10

So A10 it is... As for the PSU. Yes that case for 50 bucks is going to have a deer or something GOD awful power supply. But heck! Maximum PC recommends that in the budget build and toms hardware gave it the thumbs up for a budget gaming case on new eggs site! haha Of course a bronze or gold PSU is gonna be a better unit I am going to check into that. Luckily I have time on my said and can wait for a good deal! Thanks for your help and suggestions Torn Mind.

Want to thank everyone again that helped me arrive at my decision.

 

[Sleepingforest]

Ha, I get that feeling as well. Though I guess I should have known when he titled it "Amd apu love...".

OP, An i3 3220 (no point in talking about the 3225 if you're getting a discrete GPU) has a TDP of 55W, of which about 10W is reserved for the IGP. So really, the CPU part is 45W. Add that to the 55W TDP of the 7750, and you've got 100W, same as an A10-5800K. Idle will be ~20W as has been pointed out.

The only difference is that the i3 3220 and 7750 would be ~75% faster. Sorry if the facts get in the way of your preconceived notions.

Ericlp, did you just completely ignore mfenn's point? You are vastly exaggerating the power needs of Intel+discrete graphics at idle.

In fact, all of your APU "wins" except possibly price are based on falsehoods. Intel and a 7750 idles around 20 watts--less than the 32 watts that the A10 idles at. The A10 is not more power efficient because it idles at a higher power and uses the same maximum power--for only 4/7 the power of the i3 and the 7750. And since both setups have the same max power, you don't need a better PSU.

Also, the PSU is the one part I would absolutely not cheap out on. A bad CPU can fry your parts and become a fire hazard. Your life and other parts are worth an extra $20.

Here's a $400 build that should easily beat the A10 in power:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($109.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Intel Extreme Master, Limited Ed 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($31.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 7750 1GB Video Card ($92.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Rosewill REDBONE ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 350W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($37.14 @ Amazon)
Total: $382.08
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-12-29 04:29 EST-0500)

 

[Torn Mind]

@ericlp
You might already have one, but a Kill-a-Watt will be handy for you in the future.

You will need an efficient PSU. Otherwise, your wattage consumption will be higher.

If you ever need to, you can tinker with that APU to lower power consumption. Undervolting, disabling a module, underclocking, etc.


Most of the following is just for your information, since some of your beliefs are still erroneous. Since you're pretty much set on the APU, the intent is to inform you, not persuade you.

Trinity and the older Llanos needing speedier and more expensive RAM is a slight negative due to the impact on the pocketbook. This just signifies that the GPU is RAM bottlenecked.

As stated before, the numbers you are referencing refer to the consumption of the entire system; that includes other motherboard components and RAM. Hence, it's not certain the MSI motherboard you have chosen will perform as well as the Gigabyte used in the benchmark.

Also, the 7750 only has a TDP of 55W. That means that the draw from that will be even lower.


Also, I will point out that the 7660D is worse than the GT 640, which in turn is worse than the 7750.

 

[Torn Mind]

Ericlp, did you just completely ignore mfenn's point? You are vastly exaggerating the power needs of Intel+discrete graphics at idle.

In fact, all of your APU "wins" except possibly price are based on falsehoods. Intel and a 7750 idles around 20 watts--less than the 32 watts that the A10 idles at. The A10 is not more power efficient because it idles at a higher power and uses the same maximum power--for only 4/7 the power of the i3 and the 7750. And since both setups have the same max power, you don't need a better PSU.

Also, the PSU is the one part I would absolutely not cheap out on. A bad CPU can fry your parts and become a fire hazard. Your life and other parts are worth an extra $20.

I believe he is looking at Anand's Trinity review, but missed the "total system power consumption", which actually is easy to miss if reading in haste.

If he stuck with the Deer PSU(65% efficiency, it seems) in that case, assuming that the components need 27 W, his idle wattage at the wall would be about 41 watts. That's assuming he had Anand's exact Trinity setup, which he does not. If 7 watts is precious, then 14 watts is the entire city of El Dorado.

Also, Anand's i3 testbed had a 5870, which has a higher idle wattage. The Radeon 5870 is apparently supposed to idle at 27 watts. http://www.anandtech.com/show/2841/26

Still, the i3 solution is more expensive, and it seems he uses his computer for watching content and general use, so if he wants to save the 80 or so bucks, then he can tinker with the A10 and toy with the settings to lower power consumption until it satisfies him.

 

[bononos]

......
Reasons. I don't game much... and my computer idles for 18-20 hours a day mostly.

A10 only sucks down 32 watts in idle mode.

Intel just the CPU will down 40! That's 160 Watts more a day and I haven't even included the 50-80 watts more for a GPU!

1) Doing what I want (mostly) Win for A10
2) More power Effient Win for A10
3) Cheaper (no need to buy a GPU) Win A10
4) Can use a small PSU 300 watts Win A10

So A10 it is... As for the PSU. Yes that case for 50 bucks is going to have a deer or something GOD awful power supply. But heck! Maximum PC recommends that in the budget build and toms hardware gave it the thumbs up for a budget gaming case on new eggs site! haha Of course a bronze or gold PSU is gonna be a better unit I am going to check into that. Luckily I have time on my said and can wait for a good deal! Thanks for your help and suggestions Torn Mind.

Want to thank everyone again that helped me arrive at my decision.

:thumbsdown:NOT!

I don't know where you got the idea that an i3 (even a Sandy Bridge) will idle at 40W just for the cpu. You're wrong here and wrong earlier when you posted the same thing.

An i3 pc without a discrete card will have lower vs A10 power consumption from a quick google.

 

[mfenn]

:thumbsup: to everyone in this thread. The OP is getting really mixed up with his numbers.

Also, I will point out that the 7660D is worse than the GT 640, which in turn is worse than the 7750.

Bingo! That is where I got my 75% faster number from, since the bench doesn't have a direct head-to-head comparison between the 7660D and the 7750.

OP:

On average the 7750 is about 40-50% faster than the GT 640.
On average the GT 640 is about 25-30% faster than the 7660D.

Thus, on average the 7750 is about 75-95% faster than the 7660D. I was conservative and called it a 75% advantage.

 

[ericlp]

I don't know what you guys are smoking....

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6347/amd-a10-5800k-a8-5600k-review-trinity-on-the-desktop-part-2/8

read the number here... i3 idles @ 39.9 (that's just the CPU alone)

still not convinced??

Try this one... Take your pick...

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/11/26/intel-core-i3-3220-review/7

i3 idles at 46 watts !!! GASP!

now were just talking about the CPU!

Of course since AMD's CPU is an APU at full load it's gonna kick it up to around 140 watts when gaming... But if you just reading email or surfing the internet I'd imagine that it would only be about half that in watts (just a guess).

Anyway..... Now you add a 7750 to get a little faster but to me that would be a waste... If I was gonna go with i3... I'd want to get the 7770 one step up and about a 40% increase in speed over the 7750. 7750 55 watts more 7770 80 watts more. From what I can remember...

Now add the full load of the i3 @ 64 watts and you do the math!

AMD wins at idle speed and ties if using 7750 at full load with about the same performance levels.

If course if you go with the 7770 @ 25Watts more @ full load than your gonna have a faster system but loses out to the A10 in power consumption in full load mode.

"Intel and a 7750 idles around 20 watts--less than the 32 watts that the A10 idles at." So read re-read the charts again. We are just talking about CPU and APU no where does it say that there is a 7750 plugged into the mix.

How can a CPU the i3 3220 idle 20 watts LESS than 32 ...

So in that logic an i3-3220 WITH a 7750 idles at 12 watts? SHIT! Sign me up brother! I'll take 10 of em!





Sorry if I read these charts wrong but I don't see i3 with 7750 ... I just see an i3 in the test.. I hope I am wrong and if I am...... I'm gonna buy an i3!!!


EDIT!!! AND I fogot to say not only does it idle at 12 watts with a 7750 but @ 75% faster! Wow! That's gotta be a no brainer right?