AMD Athlon 64 X2 Overclocking Results

jpeyton

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EDIT: New Results At The Bottom

Alright, I hope this is the first on many to appear on ATForums. I was waiting on a DFI NF4 SLI-DR, but it still hasn?t arrived, and I got a little impatient. [rant]Remember when FedEx Saver Shipping meant about 3-4 days from coast to coast? Well Newegg?s FedEx Saver Shipping apparently means 5 days from California to Oregon.[/rant]

Well whether it?s a blessing or a curse (probably a curse if you ask my girlfriend), I live about 15 minutes away from a Fry?s Electronics. They had a special for the weekend, a retail AMD Athlon 64 3000+ (Socket 939) and a DFI NF4 Ultra-D for $269.99. I grabbed one so I could use the motherboard to test out the OEM Athlon 64 X2 4400+ that I got on the 15th from TigerDirect, but as a bonus, the retail 3000+ they included was a LBBLE 0520DPDW Venice core. I?ll test the Venice out later.

The Players:

DFI LanParty UT NF4 Ultra-D ? The board didn?t have a revision number, but it?s fairly new because it shipped with the 0310 BIOS. This allowed the 4400+ to POST, but I was getting constant BSODs installing Windows XP Professional SP2. I flashed it to Oskar Wu?s 0510-3 BIOS and it worked like a charm (note the -3 suffix means the BIOS is optimized for TCCD).

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ - Two cores, 2.2GHz each, 1MB L2 cache per core. OEM processor I got from TigerDirect, it is a few weeks older than the OEM 4400+ that were on sale at Newegg. Mine is a 0517 CPU, while Newegg?s were 0520 (at least the pictured one was).

Patriot 1GB Dual Channel PC3200 XBLK - TCCD on BrainPower 815 PCBs. Didn?t check the markings on the memory chips because I?ve been reluctant to remove the retail red heatspreaders. I bought these at the beginning of 2005 but they?ve been in the closet gathering dust for a while because my test bench was running DDR2 motherboards.

Zalman CNPS7700-Cu - The kilogram copper beast with a 120mm quiet fan. Fan speed was pegged between 1800-1900RPM.

Other components: ATI X850XT Platinum Edition (stock), Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 40GB PATA, LG 52X CD-ROM, NEC 1.44 Floppy, Fortron 550W PSU (with dual 18A 12V rails).

Software/Drivers: Windows XP Professional w/ SP2 & All Windows Updates, nForce 6.53 Unified Drivers, Omega Catalyst 5.4.

The Results:

Keep in mind that I still haven?t fully tweaked this setup, in terms of max overclock and max memory bandwidth. It may run with a little less voltage, or a little higher clock speed, and with faster benchmark results, but I did as much testing as I could in a 6 hour period and determined this to be a safe overclock. I?ll update later when I squeeze more out of the setup. Stability has been tested so far with Memtest (5 passes of test 8) and dual Stress Prime 2004 (~4.5 hours). Will do more stability testing later, but it flew through all the benchmarks without a problem.

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ Overclock Results

CPU Clock Speed: 2600MHz
CPU Multiplier: 10X
FSB: 260MHz
LDT Multiplier: 3X
HTT Clock: 1560MHz
Memory Ratio: 1:1
Memory Timings: 2.5-3-3-5
PCIe Clock: 100MHz
PCI Clock: 33MHz

VCore: 1.55V BIOS, 1.50V Actual (Idle), 1.52V Actual (Load)
VDimm: 2.7V BIOS, 2.72V Actual
VLDT: 1.3V BIOS, 1.26V Actual
VNB: 1.5V BIOS, 1.47V Actual

Temperatures: 33C Idle, 57C Load
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Super PI 1M: 31.775s
Hexus PiFast: 45.47s
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CrystalMark: 133663
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POV-Ray 3.7 Beta
Benchmark (Single Thread): 717.33s
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Benchmark (Quad Thread): 368.81s
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Cinebench
Single CPU Render Test: 71.2s
Multiple CPU Render Test: 38.1s
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Sisoft Sandra
ALU: 24136 MIPS
FPU/iSSE2: 8240/10667 MFLOPS
Integer: 49705 it/s
Floating-Point: 53629 it/s
RAM Bandwidth Integer: 6888 MB/s
RAM Bandwidth Floating-Point: 6803 MB/s
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ScienceMark
Molecular Dynamics: 57.43457s
Primordia: 261.75984s
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3DMark2001SE: 31026
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3DMark03: 13568
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3DMark05: 6234
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So with mid-end air cooling and a safe VCore of 1.52V, we have the equivalent of a AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+, or two AMD FX-55s in one socket. Not bad.

If you guys have any benchmark requests, please post in this thread with a download link and I?ll update my results.

EDIT:

TMPGEnc
DivX AVI-To-MPG
Source File: Batman Begins Trailer 1 (143s long, Available At DivX.com)

CBR
Conversion Settings: DVD NTSC (MPEG-2 720x480 23.976fps CBR 7992kbps, Linear PCM 48000Hz 1536kbps)
Singlethreaded Conversion Time: 135s
Multithreaded Conversion Time: 72s

2-Pass VBR
Conversion Settings: DVD NTSC (MPEG-2 720x480 23.976fps VBR 4000kbps, Linear PCM 48000Hz 1536kbps)
Singlethreaded Conversion Time: 263s
Multithreaded Conversion Time: 135s

NEW RESULTS

CPU Clock Speed: 2700MHz
CPU Multiplier: 9X
FSB: 300MHz
LDT Multiplier: 3X
HTT Clock: 1800MHz
Memory Ratio: 1:1
Memory Timings: 2.5-4-4-8
PCIe Clock: 100MHz
PCI Clock: 33MHz

VCore: 1.55V BIOS, 1.53V Actual
VDimm: 2.7V BIOS, 2.7V Actual
VLDT: 1.3V BIOS, 1.26V Actual
VNB: 1.6V BIOS, 1.56V Actual

Temperatures:
CPU 34C Idle, 60C Load
PWM IC 30C Idle, 50C Load
Chipset 37C Idle, 48C Load
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Pixle

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Thanks for the tests, I plan on making a similiar setup with the 4400 2.2ghz and overclocking that to 2.6ghz +.

Saves yourself $500 on a 4800.

Could you try Aquamark? And maybe..some games like bf2

Thanks,

Pixle.
 

Duvie

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Do a quick test of an Xvid avi or Divx avi to mpeg2 using TMPGenc...There is a free 30 day trial version to download...make sur ein environmantal settings are turned to multithreaded...I dont think it will auto-recognize it since it didn't with HT on a P4...
 

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Originally posted by: biostud
Originally posted by: jpeyton

FSB: 260MHz
LDT Multiplier: 3X
HTT Clock: 1560MHz

Wouldn't the HTT be 780Mhz?

It's the same thing basically. Duvie, do you have a sample AVI file you want me to convert? EDIT: NM, I found a movie.
 

Duvie

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Originally posted by: biostud
Originally posted by: jpeyton

FSB: 260MHz
LDT Multiplier: 3X
HTT Clock: 1560MHz

Wouldn't the HTT be 780Mhz?



It is 2 wide so they double it...

800HTT of newcastle and pre winchester chips equalled 1600 effectively and now winchester and above with 5x200HTT for 1000 equals 2000 effectively....
 

SVT Cobra

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great post thx

EDIT: i dont think game results would be needed, as it will not show any differences from a single core

congrats on your uber OC'ing/multitasking goodness
 

jpeyton

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Okay Duvie, added your AVI-To-MPG conversion benchmark, both single and multithreaded.
 

Duvie

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Okay Duvie, added your AVI-To-MPG conversion benchmark, both single and multithreaded.



And that right there is amazing...nearly cut the time in half meaning it must be making 85-90% usage of the second core.....

If you can try the vbr 2 pass and see if it helps the analysis portion of it as equally as it does just crunching to a constant bitrate...
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Okay Duvie, added your AVI-To-MPG conversion benchmark, both single and multithreaded.



And that right there is amazing...nearly cut the time in half meaning it must be making 85-90% usage of the second core.....

If you can try the vbr 2 pass and see if it helps the analysis portion of it as equally as it does just crunching to a constant bitrate...

Done...
 

Duvie

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Okay Duvie, added your AVI-To-MPG conversion benchmark, both single and multithreaded.



And that right there is amazing...nearly cut the time in half meaning it must be making 85-90% usage of the second core.....

If you can try the vbr 2 pass and see if it helps the analysis portion of it as equally as it does just crunching to a constant bitrate...

Done...



Do you have those reversed??? VBR 2 pass shouldn't be same time as CBR....If it is reversed that is good sign...
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Okay Duvie, added your AVI-To-MPG conversion benchmark, both single and multithreaded.



And that right there is amazing...nearly cut the time in half meaning it must be making 85-90% usage of the second core.....

If you can try the vbr 2 pass and see if it helps the analysis portion of it as equally as it does just crunching to a constant bitrate...

Done...



Do you have those reversed??? VBR 2 pass shouldn't be same time as CBR....If it is reversed that is good sign...

Yep, reversed, thanks for catching that
 

bjc112

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Nice thread J..

Good to see different results around the board..

have you tried H.264 playback?

Some the 1080p clips put a hurting on my Venice @ 2.8ghz.. How does the X2 stack up?

Does it peg both cores @ 100%?


 

Duvie

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Originally posted by: biostud
how long is the trailer?

Try Futuremark PC Mark 04

I am interested in that as well but I know most clips are kept to just under 2 minutes and current 2.2-2.4ghz plus AMD chips and 3 ghz+ Intel chips can do AVI-MPEG2 CBR encoding at better then realtime....

NOnetheless, TMPGenc is a program that scale perfectly wioth cpu and has little effect with memory bandwidth or timings...straight cpu power...
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
L]

So with mid-end air cooling and a safe VCore of 1.52V, we have the equivalent of a AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+, or two AMD FX-55s in one socket. Not bad.

Wow great results! Not bad? That's awesome! But if you consider the Zalman 7700cu mid-end air cooling, what would a high-end cooler be?

 

jpeyton

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The clip was 143s long.

How can I try H.264 playback (i.e. what do I need to download)?

I'm getting a grammar check error in PCMark04 that's not letting me obtain a full score, but a few people on XS had the same problem with their X2s. I'll try to find a fix.
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
The clip was 143s long.

How can I try H.264 playback (i.e. what do I need to download)?

I'm getting a grammar check error in PCMark04 that's not letting me obtain a full score, but a few people on XS had the same problem with their X2s. I'll try to find a fix.

You need Quicktime 7 Preview for Windows (quicktime.com) and one of the High Def clips on their website.
 

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Serenity trailer is a good one to look for.

BTW, very nice results so far
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: g33k
Originally posted by: jpeyton
L]

So with mid-end air cooling and a safe VCore of 1.52V, we have the equivalent of a AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+, or two AMD FX-55s in one socket. Not bad.

Wow great results! Not bad? That's awesome! But if you consider the Zalman 7700cu mid-end air cooling, what would a high-end cooler be?

According to AMDZone, high-end air is a ThermalRight XP90C with a 90mm 108CFM Vantec "Bleed From Your Ears" Tornado. I agree, that is high end, but it's also completely unrealistic for anything but benchmarking.

I really need to get into some light water cooling. I've been eyeing the ThermalTake Big Water Kit for a while, and I think I'll jump on the bandwagon.
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
According to AMDZone, high-end air is a ThermalRight XP90C with a 90mm 108CFM Vantec "Bleed From Your Ears" Tornado. I agree, that is high end, but it's also completely unrealistic for anything but benchmarking.

Sheesh, and I thought my old Swiftech MCX462 with the SHE Delta 80mm was a tornado!

I'd seriously have to look in to water cooling before I'd go with that setup.
 
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