750K is a cool running CPU, at stock of course. Even with stock HSF it(cooler) would be mildly warm to touch when running OCCT/prime. Power draw wise, I doubt it gets over 50-60W under full load on x86 cores in prime. In regular (non-power virus) workload the power draw at the socket level is much lower.
Yep, APU would be best choice in this case. 5600K or 5700,depending on whether the user will need more GPU or more CPU. They are not that far away perf. wise in any case so either should do fine. Richland is launching soon so is Haswell, he might wait a bit and see what each company has to offer.I think NTMBK was referring to the fact that he will have to add a discrete igp since the 750K has not igp at all. Maybe mb graphics?? do they even exist anymore.
Actually, a small form factor seems the absolute best case scenario for an APU in the desktop.
750K is a cool running CPU, at stock of course. Even with stock HSF it(cooler) would be mildly warm to touch when running OCCT/prime. Power draw wise, I doubt it gets over 50-60W under full load on x86 cores in prime. In regular (non-power virus) workload the power draw at the socket level is much lower.
You may well be correct but this pic from the linked review in the OP says 65W...Yet its 100W TDP and not 65W. No need to distort reality. If you want lower power and high performance we all know what to pick.
I think this is the first time I've posted on Anandtech forums so with that: Hellooo!
I'm wondering if either the 740 or the 750k would be a good move for itx. Would the process power of the 750k be more or less equal to an A10, just less the GPU? At $100(on Amazon) for either its a tough call
The tdp for the 740 is 65w, a good deal lower then the 100w for the k. It seems like those are high numbers from the benchmarks however
Versatility would be best, I'm taking the number of mini-itx builds on Ebay as fair warning..
Heh, with all that said, with the i5 3570k & H77M-ITX bundle @ Microcenter $238.48 its tempting..Still,seems a bit silly.
I have the chip and CPUz states it's 65W . Also 100W is for APU like 5800K which has CPU+GPU while CPU runs @ 3.8-4.2Ghz at stock. 750K runs at 3.4-4Ghz at stock and has fussed off GPU . So no Shintai ,everything is fine and the chip is nowhere near 100W.
MY 750K just crushes that poor i3 so I know what I picked. You can pick i3 all day long if you want dual core chip, I have no problem with that .
PS Vcore is even lower at stock for 750K Vs 5800K.
the 5800K is beaten by the i3 3220, how do you think the 750K "crushes" the i3? even with OC, I would hardly call that, it's... close.
Your own link shows the 5800K winning some tests while losing others. Hardly what I would call "beaten by the 3220". Its biggest flaw is low single thread performance...
The 750K is apparently a very good overclocker. At 4.3-4.5GHz it would be at least equal, if not slightly better. Here in Denmark you can get one ~250DKK (~$43) cheaper then the cheapest i3 (3210). Its apparently only in North America the 750K is way overpriced... :\
If you're making a compact build, it seems a little odd to go for the version without an integrated GPU! What're you going to be pairing it with?
If you're definitely set on not using the integrated GPU, I'd say go with an i3 to be honest. The lower thermals will make a real difference in a compact build.
If I settle on an Intel build or the Athlon, I'll use something I have on hand:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103197
its a tad warm however. If I can get away with a few other light duty cards I have,ill go for that. There's no Crysis or anything going on.
Richland is on the way so there is there is that to consider...
I wonder if something like the 740 or 750k will be released
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I like the idea of these generally because I can augment the system more and have more play with configuration,I don't like to have components etc. go unused.
The 750K is apparently a very good overclocker. At 4.3-4.5GHz it would be at least equal, if not slightly better.
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the best part for the A10 (apart from encryption, which is much better because the lack of the instructions on the i3) is on rendering, but overall the difference is quite small, the i3 is faster on winrar, the A10 on 7zip, now when it comes to gaming, it's close on a few, but the i3 opens a significant gap in others (the same games show the fx 4300 significantly ahead the A10, probably the lack of l3 cache is hurting), overall I see the i3 3220 winning, when you consider it's almost half the TDP, it gets even better, but that was not the point,
"crushes" make no sense, the 750K is a hard to find (for a decent price, it's not only in the USA) CPU in many places (which is a shame, considering it's clearly a great CPU for what it was supposedly to be sold for, the same goes for the 740), and without a good overclock it's simply slower,
I think the i3 is overpriced at the moment, if the 750K could be found for $80 it would be the clear winner (as long as it doesn't need additional cooling and a more expensive MB), but it's not always better, Intel have a clear lead in some cases because of the high IPC, and power usage is always lower.
Of course, overclocking would crank up the heat generation- it's not exactly a good idea in a miniITX build
My chip might be getting close to 100W now when it's OCed and overvolted- and this is in prime or occt. At stock there is no way it's getting over 65W.But when you see what else people are cramming into ITX chassis, a "mere" 100W TDP is manageable. I don't think it'll go much higher then that anyway. The A10-5700 (essentially the same CPU+IGP) is only rated for 65W combined CPU+IGP, I would think the 100W TDP of the 750K is more of a "worst case, overclocked" TDP. But since I don't have one to test that's a guesstimate...
At stock there is no way it's getting over 65W.
BTW, what kind of cooler was included in the box?. The standard FM2 AMD one?.
yeap
Yep but I have no clue how much OC can one get with it, I haven't even mounted it once. From the start I have used OCZ vendetta2 3rd party cooler,it's a big one and was one of the best back in the days. Thanks to AMD I can mount it on FM2 socket so another + for longevity/upgreadability.
You should go for the AMD Richland A10-6700 which is a 65W TDP APU having the same or better performance than even A10-5800K. Athlon II 750K is only a valid consideration only if it is at sub $100. That is you want to buy at sub $100 in order to spend the savings for a higher performance GPU.
At $100+ you could buy the A8-5600K(Unlocked quad core as well) and also have an iGPU as a backup.
ps: just show that AMAZON has the A8-5600K at $99,99, that is cheaper than the 750K
You know, I was reading this thread over again and waiting for Richland just may be the way to go all in all. Paitence and ItX builds don't seem to go hand in hand. I fear that this Asrock is the only thing going for ITX however
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157357 But I could be mistaken.
I wont clog up the thread going on about my ITX build though however if I do give in for an Athlon chip ill report back on how it fares in an ITX.
It would be pretty sweet if AMD released another round under Richland in the states. I think they could corner at least a few more buyers as UK and Europe reviews of it were so favorable.
I think they could corner at least a few more buyers as UK and Europe reviews of it were so favorable.