AMD Athlon XP1700 (TRAY)(JIUHB:0310XPMW) *OVERCLOCKING ANIMAL*!

[latka]

Knowledge Micro has XP1700's for $54, but they don't post the stepping.

Linky

 

[BmXStuD]

Originally posted by: Shinj1EVA
Athlon XP 1700 @ Newegg

That's the one at newegg now, if you click on See it.. it looks like the code is DLT not DUT, but you're probably not guranteed to get a DLT chip.

yes it is dl on the pic, but it varies.

 

[Dran]

Got mine from SVC last week, but my Crucial PC2100 was limiting me, so I picked up a stick of Corsair value PC3200 from Newegg, which arrived today. So far, I've taken it up to 2.5Ghz, air cooling with a Thermalright SK-7 and Thermaltake Smartfan II at approximately 4000 rpms. Stability was questionable (more due to this GARBAGE MSI board than the CPU), so I backed it down to 2.4Ghz. Perfectly stable in everything except 3D, which may have been due to the vid card overheating. After several hours of testing, rebooting, changing settings, and fighting with the motherboard (seriously, how can they release crap like this? the friggin' voltage control STUCK on 1.8 until i shut down and pulled the power cord!), including backing the vid card core/mem speeds back to defaults, it's now running 100% stable at 11x209Mhz (2.3Ghz), voltage (supposed to be 1.625) at 1.6725 (average, fluctuates between 1.66 and 1.71). I may work on it some more tomorrow, see how it does at 2.4Ghz, 2.5Ghz, and 2.6Ghz. OTOH, I may not, given the hassle this K7N2-L Delta has been.

 

[TekDemon]

lol, I have 3 80mm Sunon(same as the Vantec) Tornado fans I bought for no good reason, that pimp about 84CFM...they are loud ass mofos so I haven't even bothered installing them...

But I get the feeling if I put that on my Alpha it should hold up against newer coolers just fine...speaking of which, I notice HardOCP hasn't done a heatsink review in year...lol

 

[TekDemon]

So umm does anybody know whether the Alpha PAL8045 still stacks up or not versus the newer coolers? I haven't the foggiest clue!

Also, where the heck do you guys go to find the latest overclockable code numbers? I've tried googling for them but I can't even figure out if a P4 is a C stepping...*sigh*

 

[Nessism]

The Alpha 8045 is one of the better heatsinks out there. There may be better, but not significantly better.
One problem with the 8045 is that it doesn't fit that many boards. Some of the newer AMD board have dropped the mounting holes, and others have clearance problems. I've been looking at the Asus nforce2 boards for that reason since the 8045 is suspose to fit and I already have a 8045

Good luck.

Ed

 

[JETninja]

Same here. I love my Alpha 8045. I hand lapped it to a mirror finish (400-600-800-1000-1500-2000 grit wet paper) and use currently a quiet Enermax adjustable 80mm. Been spinning cooly at 3050rpm for 18 months. Looking at the Abit also, I got my SVC T-Bred last week...not installed yet as I don't think I want to put it into my current MB. (limited to 15x133)


Know that while MSI's are pretty good MB's with lots of features, they seem to scimp on the Power Amp design......not great for OC'ing. I put Heat Sinks on mine to help keep them stable. So many OC'ers blame their PS's for problems, when its actually the MB Mosfets over cooking, causing voltages to swing wildly.

 

[Dran]

Originally posted by: JETninjaKnow that while MSI's are pretty good MB's with lots of features, they seem to scimp on the Power Amp design......not great for OC'ing. I put Heat Sinks on mine to help keep them stable. So many OC'ers blame their PS's for problems, when its actually the MB Mosfets over cooking, causing voltages to swing wildly.

The K7N2 series comes stock with heatsinks on the mosfets. I also added a small heatsink to the SB, replaced the NB stock heatsink with a copper Iceberq, and have 4 80mm front intake fans, one side 80mm intake blowing directly over the CPU/NB/mosfet area, and a 60mm rear exhaust in the usual place. CPU and NB temps, as measured by external probes (CPU probe wedged under heatsink, touching core/NB probe placed as close to under heatsink as possible without causing loss of surface area contact between sink and chip, and touching chip): 118 degrees F, full load, CPU; 115 degrees F, full load, NB. When I'm off doing something else, like gone to work, temps are typically 6-10 degrees lower, even though it's still running full load (SETI@home 24/7). Cooling isn't the problem, at least in my case.

Back on topic, I tested 2.4Ghz a few hours ago. POSTs and boots fine, loads the OS, but hangs on the CPU MM test in Sandra. Passed the CPU INT/FP test, so it'll probably run stable if I increase the voltage just a bit more, but given the odd behavior the last couple of times I attempted voltage changes, I'm just going to let it go and be satisfied with 2.3Ghz for a while.

 

[stevejst]

So umm does anybody know whether the Alpha PAL8045 still stacks up or not versus the newer coolers?

I think it is behind all Thermalrights starting with SK-7 when using the same fan.

 

[NotAClue]

Just out of curiosity...
what would one of these Athlon XP1700 running at 2.4HGz or 2.3GHz be compared to a ??P4??
Or simply what speed P4 would be the equivalent?

 

[BmXStuD]

Originally posted by: NotAClue
Just out of curiosity...
what would one of these Athlon XP1700 running at 2.4HGz or 2.3GHz be compared to a ??P4??
Or simply what speed P4 would be the equivalent?

depends a (2.4ghz about 2600+) would be a p4 2.5ghz overclocked to 2.6 i think.

 

[Dran]

Originally posted by: NotAClue
Just out of curiosity...
what would one of these Athlon XP1700 running at 2.4HGz or 2.3GHz be compared to a ??P4??
Or simply what speed P4 would be the equivalent?

Something in the 2.8Ghz to 3.06Ghz SMT-enabled range (at 2.3Ghz (210Mhz FSB)). Sans SMT, it beats the P4 line hands down, but with SMT, the fastest P4s are slightly faster. Floating point calculations are still on the P4 side, but again, without SMT, the margin drops significantly (negligable difference between non-SMT 2.8Ghz P4 and my overclocked 1700+ in floating point calculations, in the P4's favor).

At 2.4Ghz, the overclocked 1700+ powers on past the entire P4 range in integer calculations, but still loses out in floating point calculations to 2.8Ghz and faster P4s with SMT.

All of the above is based on SiSoft SANDRA benchmarks, as that's the only tool I currently have to compare my system to anything using a P4 (vid card's too much of a limiting factor in my case to make any valid gaming comparisons).

An opinion: comparing the performance of this 1700+ at 2.3Ghz to the top of the line P4s, I'll happily take a small loss in floating point performance for the several hundred dollars saved.

 

[c627627]

AMD Athlon XP Table PR Ratings + MHz

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: c627627
AMD Athlon XP Table PR Ratings + MHz

nice, thanx

 

[stevejst]

Hyperthreading is undoubtedly Intel's big advantage but the floating point benchmarks are not exactly comparable since they are based on a different sets of instruction. I'd say 2.4 GHz Athlon XP 1700 is the fastest thing around but of course one can overclock Pentium IV as well.

 

[NotAClue]

Nice!
Thanks for the insight... especially Dran's input

One more question...
So, is it worth it to get the 0319WPMW from SVC ? Th reason I ask is that yeba was upset that he got WPMW instead of the XPMW.

Thanks.

 

[Dran]

Originally posted by: NotAClue
Nice!
Thanks for the insight... especially Dran's input

One more question...
So, is it worth it to get the 0319WPMW from SVC ? Th reason I ask is that yeba was upset that he got WPMW instead of the XPMW.

Thanks.

Mine's an 0308 SPMW, posts at 2.5Ghz and loads the OS, but needs either better cooling or more than 1.8v (and better cooling), or it hangs when you look at it funny. Solid as a rock at 2.3Ghz (11x210), core voltage hovering between 1.66 and 1.7 (don't ask me, i just don't know why it isn't locked down). It'll run stable at 2.4 if I push the vcore up higher, but with summer coming, I'm not anxious to suffer through the heat it'll be dumping into the room.

That's what I got from SVC. I'm pretty pleased with it, considering that it's still not maxed out and I'm butting heads with the fastest stock P4s available. The difference between the Newegg gamble (T-bred A or B? which week, which stepping, what vcore?) and the SVC guaranteed (T-bred B 1.5v core), it was worth it to me to pay the $23 (after shipping) difference. And on what I make as a baker, $23 is a huge investment.

However, be aware that your, or anyone else's, success with the same CPU will depend on the motherboard, RAM, and PSU in use, and that's not even taking into account variability between chips from the same wafer. You might only hit 2.1Ghz or 2.2Ghz, or you might crank it all the way up to 2.6Ghz.

As for yeba's issue, that order was placed at Xoxide, where the page specifically states that it's an XMPW, so he didn't get the advertised product and has a valid complaint. The X's appear to handle slightly higher speeds than the W's. If that matters to you, don't take a chance, find a guaranteed XMPW from a trustworthy vendor and pay the sorting fee. If you can take a possible 100Mhz to 200Mhz speed drop from the absolute fastest you could run it, get the SVC chip.

 

[WoundedWallet]

Mine is a WPMW and it can hit 2.4GHz without much tweaking.

After that it needs more and more juice, and it gets too hot for my ears.

But it can go to 2453MHz@223x11 as long as I give 2.0V.

I think at this point in time, worrying about an extra 50-100MHz is obssessive.

Would you have worried that your 300A only hit 450MHz instead of 460MHz?

It's a 5% difference!!

That's the same as the margin of error for the statistics that say X is better than W.

And that's being really optimistic with this margin of error.

So outside of yeba's case, who got lied to, I wouldn't worry too much between the X and W.

They are both great chips. Not worth loosing sleep deciding which is better.

 

[Trikat]

I have a MSI Kt3 Ultra so ughhh ahhh can't overclock on my motherboard/it is not a good overclocking mobo. Oh well, stuck with my xp1800 until the future.

 

[NotAClue]

Originally posted by: Trikat
I have a MSI Kt3 Ultra so ughhh ahhh can't overclock on my motherboard/it is not a good overclocking mobo. Oh well, stuck with my xp1800 until the future.

You can get a MSI K7N2-L motherboard(refurbished) for $59 shipped at newegg.
(Sorry, meant to write MSI K7N2-L above. Just changed it.)

 

[NotAClue]

Originally posted by: Trikat
I have a MSI Kt3 Ultra so ughhh ahhh can't overclock on my motherboard/it is not a good overclocking mobo. Oh well, stuck with my xp1800 until the future.

Or you can get the refurbished ABIT NF7-S for $69 shipped.
If it's out of stock, keep trying. It comes in and out of stock.

 

[DaHan]

Someone report they are getting dlt3c version from newegg for $41. It's YMMV though.

 

[lazarus000]

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[DaHan]

Originally posted by: lazarus000
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OOS

In stock here:

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