AMD\ATI Interview

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: yacoub

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: yacoub
Quadcore will only get good buy in if they can market it and convince people they need something on their home PCs that they really don't. Maybe a year from now it'll start to pay off.

you DIDN'T hear the latest?
:Q
-Barcelona is Delayed

Oh I meant quadcore in general. It has relatively few uses for the home user so for either company Intel or AMD to get high adoption there needs to first be a true need for it. That will come with games that utilize quad cores which are still 6-12 months away from being the norm, and any home user software that can gain an advantage by spreading threads over multiple cores, which is relatively few at this time since most things home users do are not terribly processor intensive AND benefiting from multi-threading.

There doesn't have to be a true need for it. Just the need for the manufacturers to make you "think" you just cannot live without it. Face it folks, as consumers, we will always be lied to in some sort of small, fine-print type of way. For consumers to know the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth is bad for business. Snake oil salesman made a killing in the old days from selling something that did absolutely nothing, but made you believe that it did.

that IS what i am trying to say

look at Big Tobacco
-they KNOW how to MARKET poison - very effectively
:Q

"give aways" .. contests ... promotions ... clever ads and product placement

AMD has GREAT products
-but their marketing is poisoned by their Officials

st00pid ad campaigns that create NEGATIVE *buzz*
--and FUD and delays to "support" it
:thumbsdown:

IF i were AMD i would give away at least 10,000 HD2900XT ... about 2.5M in total costs to them

that WOULD change 'the perception'

 

[lyssword]

Red tie guy: " the sound pressure is going to be 33db"
Audience smartass: "When it's turned off?"
audience: "you're so cruel"
:laugh:

 

[Zstream]

It is not that hard to make a pc 33db infact with the aftermarket cooling by sappphire and HIS we will see some nice solutions.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: yacoub

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: yacoub
Quadcore will only get good buy in if they can market it and convince people they need something on their home PCs that they really don't. Maybe a year from now it'll start to pay off.

you DIDN'T hear the latest?
:Q
-Barcelona is Delayed

Oh I meant quadcore in general. It has relatively few uses for the home user so for either company Intel or AMD to get high adoption there needs to first be a true need for it. That will come with games that utilize quad cores which are still 6-12 months away from being the norm, and any home user software that can gain an advantage by spreading threads over multiple cores, which is relatively few at this time since most things home users do are not terribly processor intensive AND benefiting from multi-threading.

There doesn't have to be a true need for it. Just the need for the manufacturers to make you "think" you just cannot live without it. Face it folks, as consumers, we will always be lied to in some sort of small, fine-print type of way. For consumers to know the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth is bad for business. Snake oil salesman made a killing in the old days from selling something that did absolutely nothing, but made you believe that it did.

that IS what i am trying to say

look at Big Tobacco
-they KNOW how to MARKET poison - very effectively
:Q

"give aways" .. contests ... promotions ... clever ads and product placement

AMD has GREAT products
-but their marketing is poisoned by their Officials

st00pid ad campaigns that create NEGATIVE *buzz*
--and FUD and delays to "support" it
:thumbsdown:

IF i were AMD i would give away at least 10,000 HD2900XT ... about 2.5M in total costs to them

that WOULD change 'the perception'

In AMD's current state (hostile takeover rumors and all) I think giving away a dozen of these puppies might put a hurtin on them. Screw the giveaways!! use that 2.5 mil for some advertising!!. Even radio for christ sakes, helluva lot cheaper than tv.

 

[apoppin]

are you kidding ... if they properly qualify the contestants in their in their 10,000 HD1900xt 'give away' ... they will have 9,000 new "born again" AMD fanboys

the 'ultimate' in Viral Marketing ... and it's *legal* and transparent
... each recipient would be *required* to fill out an initial survey and a follow-up at 30, 60 and 90 days ... they would be qualified to win the contest by their current HW ... i.e. having a PS that is sufficient [and more unannounced] and after that [about the time r670 is announced], it's "theirs" to keep or sell.

slip a coupon in with that HD2900xt for Barcelona ... and you have the perfect tie in and the "excitement" of new AMD fans infesting every Tech forum

$2.5M is chump change for a multi-billion dollar corp that lost $700M [$700,000,000.00] in the first 3 months of THIS year.
-and 4M$ is a "tax write-off"

if *i* were the CEO ... in his current desperate position, i'd seriously consider giving away 100,000 of them [with a free one for x-fire for people who already bought one]
-the mainstream news would focus on a promotion like that

... free advertising for AMD and INSTANT 'perception turnaround'

it would begin with a simple press announcement:

the new AMD is giving away 100,000 HD2900xts ...

that'd shake nvidia up ... and deny them 100,000 sales of their GTS ... AMD's market share would artificially inflate since they count each one as sold

---and everyone is now "prepped" for Success - Barcelona

that is my idea ... i'm certain a "real" marketing team would come up with something much better ... i tend to do even better when i am paid for my ideas

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Just finished watching, I am surprised at how honest they were, I am confident they can pull it off as time goes on

the "honesty" is a ploy

they are probably looting the company as we type
:Q

j/k about the last past ... but i DON'T believe them any more ... they LIED ... SPUN .. spread FUD and lied again

now they are suddenly "Born Again"?

i think NOT

i "used to" have hope ... briefly till i saw their "pattern" with r600 is continuing with Flopalona

there IS Hope for AMD ...Ruiz acknowledges a lot of things

there is NO hope for AMD ... not withOUT "marketing" and promotions.
--*brilliant* PR

JESUS do you ever shutup? At least think before you start posting crap.

Does anyone know how to ignore a user's post?

too bad what he says is right...you just don't want to admit it.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Just finished watching, I am surprised at how honest they were, I am confident they can pull it off as time goes on

the "honesty" is a ploy

they are probably looting the company as we type
:Q

j/k about the last past ... but i DON'T believe them any more ... they LIED ... SPUN .. spread FUD and lied again

now they are suddenly "Born Again"?

i think NOT

i "used to" have hope ... briefly till i saw their "pattern" with r600 is continuing with Flopalona

there IS Hope for AMD ...Ruiz acknowledges a lot of things

there is NO hope for AMD ... not withOUT "marketing" and promotions.
--*brilliant* PR

JESUS do you ever shutup? At least think before you start posting crap.

Does anyone know how to ignore a user's post?

too bad what he says is right...you just don't want to admit it.

what you also don't realize is that he *can't* admit it ... it destroys the carefully cultivated picture of "Saint AMD" ... what AMD wants their fans to see

they BSed us about the "family launch" being the reason for r600's delay because they "took us for stupid" ... and we aren't

i was one of a very few on this forum who saw thru their FUD right away ... and then everyone else picked up on the fact that AMD was lying to us ... the canceled launch, the hiding of r600 benchmarks, the hot huge power-hungry prototypes and the secrecy ... led up to *exactly* what i predicted ... and i was not alone in my predictions

their CEO then tried the "honest" ploy ... "we HAVE to be secret because intel or nvidia will know" ... in other words, we lied because we had to ...

more dirty BS ... he is still a liar ... they never hid their benchmarks before -when they were ahead - for fear intel would "find out" ... but then they had a "real CEO", Jerry Sanders

believe me ... intel *knows* ... nvidia *knows* ... that is WHY nvidia came out with that crappy mini-boost in performance - the 8800ultra .... to stick a middle finger in AMD's face ... Barcelona ALSO looks to be a very decent and competitive product - but no "intel-killer"

and NOW i am suggesting ways ... to TURN around the horrible mess that AMD created for itself

 

[yacoub]

PILE ON! PILE ON! WOOT-WOOT!!

 

[cmdrdredd]

red tie guy said "why release a high end only product when we can release the entire line in a few weeks time if we wait" welll a few weeks is NOT 6 months...and I don't see the 2600xt or those parts available yet. So is he full of it? I say yes, and I think they are just trying to throw dirt on a fire that is getting out of hand. They fail in my book.

 

[apoppin]

not dirt ... they are throwing more FUD on a growing wild-fire

they are still lying to 'us' - their fans and former fans - about the the reason for the "secrecy" about Barcelona and the lack of benchmarks

i didn't believe them then - about r600 lack of benches - and i don't believe them now about Barcelona's lack of benchmarks
--"not tipping intel off" is a steaming stinking *pile* of horse-crap

you always come out with the fastest you *can* ... nevermind the competition ... this ain't Duke nukem
--or is it?


Is AMD too proud to admit Barcelona is "only competitive" ? ... are they not prepared for "2nd best" ... again?

hell ... 2nd best is good enough in my book ... STOP lying to us, get your CPU out the door and do some REAL "promotions" ... Give 'em away before you have to toss them away ...
--and start working on the refresh of both products and especially their marketing ... now

^^my advice to a multi-billion dollar corp ...^^
- i know
:roll:

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Just finished watching, I am surprised at how honest they were, I am confident they can pull it off as time goes on

the "honesty" is a ploy

they are probably looting the company as we type
:Q

j/k about the last past ... but i DON'T believe them any more ... they LIED ... SPUN .. spread FUD and lied again

now they are suddenly "Born Again"?

i think NOT

i "used to" have hope ... briefly till i saw their "pattern" with r600 is continuing with Flopalona

there IS Hope for AMD ...Ruiz acknowledges a lot of things

there is NO hope for AMD ... not withOUT "marketing" and promotions.
--*brilliant* PR

JESUS do you ever shutup? At least think before you start posting crap.

Does anyone know how to ignore a user's post?

too bad what he says is right...you just don't want to admit it.

First off AMD is going no where; they are not being bought by anyone. They are not selling so get that out of your head.

Second, Apoppin knows what everyone else does. We all look at the same websites and reviews. We look at the SAME press releases etc... I look at things rationally rather then like an excited 12 year old who says the same thing every few seconds.

Third, AMD has a TON of products along the way! More so then Intel.

Fourth, AMD has a large jump on Intel when it comes to fusion. I do not care who you are, fusion is the future. They have a good 8-12 month head start, it depends on how many resources Intel plans to place in the development. AMD has to stick with what they are doing.

Fifth, OEM's love AMD. I guess everyone forgot the post when AMD stated most of its GPU's are going to Dell and the other OEM's before it hits the regular consumer market.

Sixth, AMD is focusing on the server market. The server market provides a much larger cash revenue then the enthusiast market.

It is so funny when people go crazy. I actually find it funny. I remember Apoppin predicting the future with Intel integrated graphics. I could write a book on this but my passion is being hardware enthusiast unlike apoppin and many others.

On my desk lay a GTX, GTS, 2900, 1900, 1800XL, 7900gs, 7600gt.

My cpu's range the same on both sides.

I call it as I see it unlike some folks who talk crap but have 0 credibility. You either own the hardware and test or you look at Fudzilla and try to make predictions. I prefer to own the equipment and then talk. Maybe you should do the same?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Just finished watching, I am surprised at how honest they were, I am confident they can pull it off as time goes on

the "honesty" is a ploy

they are probably looting the company as we type
:Q

j/k about the last past ... but i DON'T believe them any more ... they LIED ... SPUN .. spread FUD and lied again

now they are suddenly "Born Again"?

i think NOT

i "used to" have hope ... briefly till i saw their "pattern" with r600 is continuing with Flopalona

there IS Hope for AMD ...Ruiz acknowledges a lot of things

there is NO hope for AMD ... not withOUT "marketing" and promotions.
--*brilliant* PR

JESUS do you ever shutup? At least think before you start posting crap.

Does anyone know how to ignore a user's post?

Close your eyes. You have a problem with most everybody which is why I'm not surprised that this annoys you.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin
are you kidding ... if they properly qualify the contestants in their in their 10,000 HD1900xt 'give away' ... they will have 9,000 new "born again" AMD fanboys

the 'ultimate' in Viral Marketing ... and it's *legal* and transparent
... each recipient would be *required* to fill out an initial survey and a follow-up at 30, 60 and 90 days ... they would be qualified to win the contest by their current HW ... i.e. having a PS that is sufficient [and more unannounced] and after that [about the time r670 is announced], it's "theirs" to keep or sell.

slip a coupon in with that HD2900xt for Barcelona ... and you have the perfect tie in and the "excitement" of new AMD fans infesting every Tech forum

$2.5M is chump change for a multi-billion dollar corp that lost $700M [$700,000,000.00] in the first 3 months of THIS year.
-and 4M$ is a "tax write-off"

if *i* were the CEO ... in his current desperate position, i'd seriously consider giving away 100,000 of them [with a free one for x-fire for people who already bought one]
-the mainstream news would focus on a promotion like that

... free advertising for AMD and INSTANT 'perception turnaround'

it would begin with a simple press announcement:

the new AMD is giving away 100,000 HD2900xts ...

that'd shake nvidia up ... and deny them 100,000 sales of their GTS ... AMD's market share would artificially inflate since they count each one as sold

---and everyone is now "prepped" for Success - Barcelona

that is my idea ... i'm certain a "real" marketing team would come up with something much better ... i tend to do even better when i am paid for my ideas

No. Not kidding. Money would be better spent in straight out advertising and not just for X2900XT's. Why lust after 9000 AMD fans when bulk advertising can reach millions and millions?

 

[apoppin]

because you don't realize how *little* $2.5M gets you in Radio ... never mind running ANY kind of - even national campaign - on TV

you need many tens of millions of dollars ... and to coordinate an international effort ... and it has to be planned many months in advance and 'deals struck'

and i *dare* your to look at intels advertising budget ... NO MATTER what AMD does, intel will ALWAYS outspend them by at least 5-to-1 ... if AMD has a great year.

again i ask you ...
are you kidding?


viral marketing is the best bang-for-buck advertising on this planet - so far, conceived by the mind of man ... i am in awe of its effectiveness
--imagine thousands of international *happy, satisfied and vocal* AMD fans ... many infesting our forums

and *i* would not put my company on the line for a "mere" 10K units .. i would go for 'broke' -- one-hundred thousand *free* HD2900xts ... the international media would pick up on it after the financial news got thru with it ... and it would put a world of *hurt* on nvidia

it is what MS does with Vista
:Q
--not my "brand new" idea


and especially in AMD's case ... on the verge of bankruptcy ... it's FAR better to given 'em away then to toss 'em away later

you create "fans" with a bribe ... i mean gift
--it is very *primal*

a gift ... for me ... FREE!!!?! ... why thank-you!
your product is awesome
:gift:

90K new born-again AMD fans ... all with a coupon for Barcelona
... forget those stupid game coupons already bundled with it ... save 'em for r670

 

[lyssword]

*Speculation*
I believe 2600xt's will be pretty good in crossfire, but about same to 1900xt in single card configuration.
Also, apoppin, if they have a great product they will sell. It's the age of internet, ppl will look at benchmarks on internets. All AMD has to do is to sell 1 cpu for every 10 intel cpu's to compete, because intel is 10x bigger company.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: lyssword
*Speculation*
I believe 2600xt's will be pretty good in crossfire, but about same to 1900xt in single card configuration.
Also, apoppin, if they have a great product they will sell. It's the age of internet, ppl will look at benchmarks on internets. All AMD has to do is to sell 1 cpu for every 10 intel cpu's to compete, because intel is 10x bigger company.

you have been describing how AMD has been getting by for years
--but now they don't have a "great product" like they did with A64 ... 3 years ago ...
--it is *competitive* .... and your "internet buzz" is largely NEGATIVE

and AMD *lost* $700,000,000.00 the first three months of this year ...
they had to *borrow* at CRAP rates and with horrible penalties if they are late in paying it back ... on top of this they have not integrated well with ATi and have a HUGE debt they are just trying to pay "interest" on
--these are not "normal times" .. it has NEVER been worse for AMD ... and 'back then', they had Jerry Sanders .... a real fighter in charge ...

they *need* a savior ... but god doesn't care
heck, even a "hero" would do ... someone that would put together a promotion that would make the entire Tech world say ... "whoa ... AMD is back ... they are *confident* in their future and their product enough to give it away"

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: apoppin
because you don't realize how *little* $2.5M gets you in Radio ... never mind running ANY kind of - even national campaign - on TV

you need many tens of millions of dollars ... and to coordinate an international effort ... and it has to be planned many months in advance and 'deals struck'

and i *dare* your to look at intels advertising budget ... NO MATTER what AMD does, intel will ALWAYS outspend them by at least 5-to-1 ... if AMD has a great year.

again i ask you ...
are you kidding?


viral marketing is the best bang-for-buck advertising on this planet - so far, conceived by the mind of man ... i am in awe of its effectiveness
--imagine thousands of international *happy, satisfied and vocal* AMD fans ... many infesting our forums

and *i* would not put my company on the line for a "mere" 10K units .. i would go for 'broke' -- one-hundred thousand *free* HD2900xts ... the international media would pick up on it after the financial news got thru with it ... and it would put a world of *hurt* on nvidia

it is what MS does with Vista
:Q
--not my "brand new" idea


and especially in AMD's case ... on the verge of bankruptcy ... it's FAR better to given 'em away then to toss 'em away later

you create "fans" with a bribe ... i mean gift
--it is very *primal*

a gift ... for me ... FREE!!!?! ... why thank-you!
your product is awesome
:gift:

90K new born-again AMD fans ... all with a coupon for Barcelona
... forget those stupid game coupons already bundled with it ... save 'em for r670

Vista also doesn't cost anything for MS to manufacture. MS can give away 100,000 copies of Vista and lose only a small amount of money on packing, or bandwidth (if it were a download).

AMD, however, loses big money giving away an HD 2900XT. I don't know how much one costs AMD, but I would say they would be losing somewhere in the ballpark of $150 per unit. $150 x 100,000 = $15M. That's some serious cash for a company already strapped of money. You also have to consider lost revenue. At least some of those 100,000 winners would have bought an XT at retail. Let's say just 5%, 5,000 people, would have done so. 5,000 people x $400 = $2 million.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: apoppin
because you don't realize how *little* $2.5M gets you in Radio ... never mind running ANY kind of - even national campaign - on TV

you need many tens of millions of dollars ... and to coordinate an international effort ... and it has to be planned many months in advance and 'deals struck'

and i *dare* your to look at intels advertising budget ... NO MATTER what AMD does, intel will ALWAYS outspend them by at least 5-to-1 ... if AMD has a great year.

again i ask you ...
are you kidding?


viral marketing is the best bang-for-buck advertising on this planet - so far, conceived by the mind of man ... i am in awe of its effectiveness
--imagine thousands of international *happy, satisfied and vocal* AMD fans ... many infesting our forums

and *i* would not put my company on the line for a "mere" 10K units .. i would go for 'broke' -- one-hundred thousand *free* HD2900xts ... the international media would pick up on it after the financial news got thru with it ... and it would put a world of *hurt* on nvidia

it is what MS does with Vista
:Q
--not my "brand new" idea


and especially in AMD's case ... on the verge of bankruptcy ... it's FAR better to given 'em away then to toss 'em away later

you create "fans" with a bribe ... i mean gift
--it is very *primal*

a gift ... for me ... FREE!!!?! ... why thank-you!
your product is awesome
:gift:

90K new born-again AMD fans ... all with a coupon for Barcelona
... forget those stupid game coupons already bundled with it ... save 'em for r670

Vista also doesn't cost anything for MS to manufacture. MS can give away 100,000 copies of Vista and lose only a small amount of money on packing, or bandwidth (if it were a download).

AMD, however, loses big money giving away an HD 2900XT. I don't know how much one costs AMD, but I would say they would be losing somewhere in the ballpark of $150 per unit. $150 x 100,000 = $15M. That's some serious cash for a company already strapped of money. You also have to consider lost revenue. At least some of those 100,000 winners would have bought an XT at retail. Let's say just 5%, 5,000 people, would have done so. 5,000 people x $400 = $2 million.

firstly, each 'free' Vista copy is also a *loss* of a sale to MS ... also $200-$400 ... but they don't think small and they also think past their nose tip to the future

secondly, i am asking you to really *think*

a national adversing program would cost AMD upwards of $30M ... and intel would strike back with one of $90M ... intel wants to CRUSH AMD this time

AMD already has HD2950xt coming with the die shrink and Barcelona is the *big deal* the money maker ... not videocards ... not yet ... not by a long shot
--everyone knows there is a r600 refresh coming ... and the card will be sub$300 very shortly ...$200 when HD2950xt arrives and a LOT of MORE pissed off fans.

"my" $15 Give-Away is a $40M tax write off and it can be *aimed* at people who will like HD2900xt

that cheap $15 product cost *buys* 90,000 satisfied customers who will also upgrade - maybe to HD2950xtx or buy a 2nd HDxt and they will also buy Barcelona
--and they will INFEST our forums, brushing aside nvidia posters to say the "card is frigging AWESOME" ... "the drivers are updated monthly" and "they are getting better and better" ... "it doesn't run hot and it's pretty quiet" "those early reviews were BS"
--and it's international "positive" attention ... even "the News" will pick it up

yes it is a huge leap of faith for amd ... they have to believe in their future
... considering their current position ... they have to do SOMETHING

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin
because you don't realize how *little* $2.5M gets you in Radio ... never mind running ANY kind of - even national campaign - on TV

you need many tens of millions of dollars ... and to coordinate an international effort ... and it has to be planned many months in advance and 'deals struck'

and i *dare* your to look at intels advertising budget ... NO MATTER what AMD does, intel will ALWAYS outspend them by at least 5-to-1 ... if AMD has a great year.

again i ask you ...
are you kidding?

Ask me as often as you like, I don't mind. 2.5million in radio will reach more than 9000 customers, that I can guarantee. The giveaway "might" be a decent idea "if" AMD wasn't SO FAR behind here. They need to MAKE some money and it's not buy giving it away at this point. 5:1 Intel:AMD? That would at least get me 1 TV commercial for every 5 of Intels that I see. But I don't. I can't remember if I ever saw an AMD commercial or if I just read that somebody else did it has been THAT long ago.

So again, no. I am not kidding. You have a background in advertising? ok, but that doesn't always mean that your way, would be the right thing to do. Especially an off the wall giveaway.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin
because you don't realize how *little* $2.5M gets you in Radio ... never mind running ANY kind of - even national campaign - on TV

you need many tens of millions of dollars ... and to coordinate an international effort ... and it has to be planned many months in advance and 'deals struck'

and i *dare* your to look at intels advertising budget ... NO MATTER what AMD does, intel will ALWAYS outspend them by at least 5-to-1 ... if AMD has a great year.

again i ask you ...
are you kidding?

Ask me as often as you like, I don't mind. 2.5million in radio will reach more than 9000 customers, that I can guarantee. The giveaway "might" be a decent idea "if" AMD wasn't SO FAR behind here. They need to MAKE some money and it's not buy giving it away at this point. 5:1 Intel:AMD? That would at least get me 1 TV commercial for every 5 of Intels that I see. But I don't. I can't remember if I ever saw an AMD commercial or if I just read that somebody else did it has been THAT long ago.

So again, no. I am not kidding. You have a background in advertising? ok, but that doesn't always mean that your way, would be the right thing to do. Especially an off the wall giveaway.

"my" 9,000 new customers will personally reach many dozens more
--with glowing testimonials to flood our forums; repeated worldwide for months

i bet you don't actually read what i write ...

for 'my company'in AMD's identical position - at the verge of bankruptcy - the choice is easy ... simple ... and it boils down to this:

1) give them away

or

2) Throw them away ... later

--do you like to complicate things?

 

[tuteja1986]

You know if Microsoft wants to piss off intel for bring Apple into X86 then should do some kind of partnership with AMD to provide 2 billion dollar funding for DX10 drive / next xbox development and gets some interesting project going to take advantage of the Teraflops of power that GPU can do . This way AMD gets some cash and Microsoft gets more stable driver. Also Microsoft is not left with only Intel to do deal with. Better than buying Yahoo for 50billion which is totally stupid ;(

 

[lyssword]

yeah MS already likes amd from what I hear. Not sure if that will help tho

 

[apoppin]

so your *hope* is for MS to buy them
:Q

MS vs intel and nvidia
--and MS would get xbox "right on"

it could work
--i like my idea better

maybe nvidia will recycle my idea to use against MS ... someday
--think they will give me anything?

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: apoppin
you create "fans" with a bribe ... i mean gift
--it is very *primal*

a gift ... for me ... FREE!!!?! ... why thank-you!
your product is awesome
:gift:

90K new born-again AMD fans ... all with a coupon for Barcelona
... forget those stupid game coupons already bundled with it ... save 'em for r670

More like 90k new ebay auctions.

 

[apoppin]

eventually ... most of the functional 8800GTX will also 'end up' on ebay

... i bet the nvidia viral marketing team would just give up ... they would be drowned out
... and you would never ever get another post read - by anyone ... you'd HATE that

this would ONLY work if the product is *solid* and i think it is

and maybe it will start a trend with HW giveaways ...
i'd sign up if there were 100K being given away