Originally posted by: smyrgl
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Why are you talking like AMD and ATI are still separate companies? There is no more ATI. All that's left is the brand name that AMD "chose" to keep for product name recognition. ATI is dead, there is only AMD now. All account's payables and receivables that were once ATI's, now belong to AMD. (profit and debt).
Because ATI is still a fully functional separate division of AMD. Yes, they are all one big happy family now, but the point is that if AMD's chip division goes down the tubes, the graphics division (formerly ATI) can still be spun off and survive just fine.
Although I'm sure there is some level of integration that will go on over time, for now ATI is still maintaining full staff which means that they are akin to a fully functional subsidiary unit of AMD.
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: smyrgl
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Why are you talking like AMD and ATI are still separate companies? There is no more ATI. All that's left is the brand name that AMD "chose" to keep for product name recognition. ATI is dead, there is only AMD now. All account's payables and receivables that were once ATI's, now belong to AMD. (profit and debt).
Because ATI is still a fully functional separate division of AMD. Yes, they are all one big happy family now, but the point is that if AMD's chip division goes down the tubes, the graphics division (formerly ATI) can still be spun off and survive just fine.
Although I'm sure there is some level of integration that will go on over time, for now ATI is still maintaining full staff which means that they are akin to a fully functional subsidiary unit of AMD.
Last I heard, AMD just canned about 400 former ATI people in management positions.
And furthermore, what about fusion? Can two separate divisions accomplish this task? I think there would be just a little bit more than a "touch" of integration needed. If you are going to post stuff like this, you need to post links. To answer your next question, "Yes, valid links.".
Originally posted by: apoppin
it *always* was 100,000 ... i downsized for you
that is a 20-25$M promotion ... total costs to AMD with the full price written off for 'taxes' and each one counted as "sold" and it is 100,000 cards that nvidia won't sell
yes ... i dare you guys to find a better and faster way ... if you can even think of ANY
Ask our expert smyrgl, how much $25 million buys you for a worldwide campaign
--and i am still waiting to hear of a faster and better way from you
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Last I heard, AMD just canned about 400 former ATI people in management positions.
And furthermore, what about fusion? Can two separate divisions accomplish this task? I think there would be just a little bit more than a "touch" of integration needed. If you are going to post stuff like this, you need to post links. To answer your next question, "Yes, valid links.".
Originally posted by: apoppin
yes ... i dare you guys to find a better and faster way ... if you can even think of ANY
Ask our expert smyrgl, how much $25 million buys you for a worldwide campaign
--and i am still waiting to hear of a faster and better way from you
Originally posted by: smyrgl
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Last I heard, AMD just canned about 400 former ATI people in management positions.
And furthermore, what about fusion? Can two separate divisions accomplish this task? I think there would be just a little bit more than a "touch" of integration needed. If you are going to post stuff like this, you need to post links. To answer your next question, "Yes, valid links.".
Link to the 400 ATI employees being cut?
As for Fusion, it doesn't necessarily require a "same company" kind of integration, AMD could easily have done this with an external partner.
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
No need. Everyone here knows this.
Oh it doesn't, eh??
Why do you think AMD aquired ATI in the first place? To NOT integrate them? hehe. Tell me something Greg, what do you think of nvidia?
Originally posted by: smyrgl
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
No need. Everyone here knows this.
Oh it doesn't, eh??
Why do you think AMD aquired ATI in the first place? To NOT integrate them? hehe. Tell me something Greg, what do you think of nvidia?
I want a link so I can see exactly what was cut and from where. You have a problem with posting a link?
you don't read what i write ... hd2900xt is a "throw away" ... a *filler* for 2950 products ... Barcelona is the BIG moneymaker ... and you'd have a perfect 'tie-in' and lead in.Originally posted by: smyrgl
Originally posted by: apoppin
it *always* was 100,000 ... i downsized for you
that is a 20-25$M promotion ... total costs to AMD with the full price written off for 'taxes' and each one counted as "sold" and it is 100,000 cards that nvidia won't sell
yes ... i dare you guys to find a better and faster way ... if you can even think of ANY
Ask our expert smyrgl, how much $25 million buys you for a worldwide campaign
--and i am still waiting to hear of a faster and better way from you
You are ignoring all the ramifications of your plan such as that it's not just spending $25 million on hardware to give away for free, but that's also $25 million AMD won't receive for selling the product in the first place.
Also, I still don't see the tangible benefit of such a giveaway. You aren't going to build brand loyalty just because you give something away (trust me on this), especially in the hardware market. People will say "free video card!" not "free video card from AMD which means I should buy them in the future!". You seem to be of the belief that the majority of the market is made up of hardware enthusiasts, which is obviously untrue. You'd do much better spending that $50 million (yes, lost sales do count) on a new brand identity complete with advertising.
By the way, I notice that you've ignored the fact that a hardware giveaway would need to be advertised heavily which means spending money on marketing that you could have spent on a different campaign.
As for a faster and better way, I've got an easy one for you. Hire 100 interns to do a grassroots, internet based marketing campaign using MySpace, blogs, commenting on review sites like this, etc. Such a campaign would cost you $5 million tops and help to develop brand identity, and I've seen such a thing work effectively in the past.
it doesn't need ANY advertising ... the forums ... fat wallet ... ours ... every tech site in the world would go ablaze as contestants tripped over themselves to sign up ...the new AMD is proud to sponsor a new contest giving away 100,000 hd2900xts
Originally posted by: yacoub
http://www.dailytech.com/AMD+to+Cut+More+Than+400+Jobs/article7241.htm
Originally posted by: apoppin
it *always* was 100,000 ... i downsized for you
that is a 20-25$M promotion ... total costs to AMD with the full price written off for 'taxes' and each one counted as "sold" and it is 100,000 cards that nvidia won't sell
i originally was the ONE that suggested they die ... 'survival of the fittest' BSOriginally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: apoppin
yes ... i dare you guys to find a better and faster way ... if you can even think of ANY
Ask our expert smyrgl, how much $25 million buys you for a worldwide campaign
--and i am still waiting to hear of a faster and better way from you
Faster is not always better. And no need to dare anyone. You've already been told what to do. See, you're just looking for a way to "save" the currently existing AMD (as if any of this was even real, LOL). I'd say, let them get as close to death as possible, then let a company like Applied Materials (AMAT) scoop em up and fire all the AMD management. Hector is the first to go. Current AMD is gone dude, especially if Barcelona is the flop you say it is. (But it might just be late, and not suck arse).
Let em die, then let them be reborn (so to speak). They'll come back 2 fold. It's obvious AMD has some really fantastic engineers, but the "suits" are more worried about their stock options than how to run a company it would seem.
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
What are you 12? Fine, I think I can play this game. Give me the links I asked for BEFORE, and I will be glad to show you what everyone else in this forum has seen.
Thanks Greg.
Originally posted by: smyrgl
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
What are you 12? Fine, I think I can play this game. Give me the links I asked for BEFORE, and I will be glad to show you what everyone else in this forum has seen.
Thanks Greg.
What, proof that this kind of integration can be done without owning the company? Many companies have done this before, most notably MIPS. Give me the criteria for what you want proven and I'll give you a link.
And I want to know the NATURE of these job cuts which is why I want the links moron. You made the claim, so support it.
You think??Originally posted by: apoppin
i think they need to turn their ship around ...
SS AMD is heading for a reef
Originally posted by: vadp
You think??Originally posted by: apoppin
i think they need to turn their ship around ...
SS AMD is heading for a reef
What's up with all the negativity?
Are you shorting AMD's stock or something?
AMD has been in worse situations before but was able to pull up.
The today's problems aren't any different.
AMD is not going out of bisiness anytime soon.
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: vadp
You think??Originally posted by: apoppin
i think they need to turn their ship around ...
SS AMD is heading for a reef
What's up with all the negativity?
Are you shorting AMD's stock or something?
AMD has been in worse situations before but was able to pull up.
The today's problems aren't any different.
AMD is not going out of bisiness anytime soon.
i can see you haven't read ANY of my posts beyond what you just posted ...
why should i bother to reply
and frankly, smyrgl, you haven't shown ANYTHING that remotely suggests you have any "real world" experience in Promotions and Marketing as you claim ... you sound like a student.
Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: smyrgl
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
What are you 12? Fine, I think I can play this game. Give me the links I asked for BEFORE, and I will be glad to show you what everyone else in this forum has seen.
Thanks Greg.
What, proof that this kind of integration can be done without owning the company? Many companies have done this before, most notably MIPS. Give me the criteria for what you want proven and I'll give you a link.
And I want to know the NATURE of these job cuts which is why I want the links moron. You made the claim, so support it.
The link was posted and it does not say ATI staff was kicked to the curb.
AMD is cutting 2.6% of its workforce in a bid to save money, it said yesterday.
That's 430 peeps, most of whom will be coming from Sales and Marketing, according to bods in the know. According to reports, 50 ex-ATI chaps will get the heave-ho in Canada, 80 AMD bods will go from Austin, 40 from Satan Clara and the rest worldwide, probably where there is still an overlap of ATI and AMD employees.
The cuts come as DAAMIT last month promised only to hire 'mission critical' new employees. Despite an injection of $2bn dollars from convertible notes sold on ludicrous terms, it seems that there's still plenty of belt-tightening to be done at the firm.
Yesterday's announcement amounted to a cut of around three per cent of DAAMIT's global workforce. Less than a month ago, Hector himself promised a total workforce reduction of around five per cent, so there's still another 2% to go - or around 300ish people with the axe still ominously looming.
Our sources tell us that the announcement on Wednesday of the 430 cuts was preceded by a number of 'personal interviews' in the halls of the AMD meeting rooms, with plenty of security guards lurking on hand to escort unwanted employees out of the door.
While the cuts were billed as 'performance managed' out of the company, sources suggest that many people were chopped for political reasons, rather than performance.
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
You know, I honestly do not know how that giveaway idea would work out. It's sort of a huge gamble this close to the end. The "end" being no more cash left. AMD is like in a "I've fallen and I can't get up" position.
Flaws? Does the struggling AMD have 25 mil to throw away? Stockholders thoughts? Would they view it as desperation move and sell sell sell? The loss might be far greater than 25 mil.
Gimme a few and I'll think about it more.
Originally posted by: apoppin
and frankly, smyrgl, you haven't shown ANYTHING that remotely suggests you have any "real world" experience in Promotions and Marketing as you claim ... you sound like a student.