AMD back in gear, Centurion FX

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inf64

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Why? Max turbo is part of the CPU spec too. Why couldn't someone be have been conveying that information?
Because max turbo would be useless on all cores and price (if this whole crazy rumors has any truth in it) does not jive with it. 700+$ for just 5Ghz Turbo? I don't think so.
 

Puppies04

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I hear it will come with a high spec tower cooler, a fridge magnet and a power station.
 

BallaTheFeared

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Let's face it, AMD has an untapped market of loyalist who are willing to overpay for their products. People buying $280 8150's should have woke them up to that fact.
 

thilanliyan

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Let's face it, AMD has an untapped market of loyalist who are willing to overpay for their products. People buying $280 8150's should have woke them up to that fact.

Pretty much every company does. Might as well use it lol...they need all the cash they can get.
 

cytg111

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I wonder, building a cheap machine for hosting 5-8 virtual machines (I omit the server word on purpose), what would fare better, the 8 core cmt (fx8350) or the 4 core smt (3770) ?
 

mrmt

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Let's face it, AMD has an untapped market of loyalist who are willing to overpay for their products. People buying $280 8150's should have woke them up to that fact.

When AMD got the performance crown in GPUs and decided to charge an arm and a leg for their top card, even some of the fanboys criticized the measure and AMD got some heavy flak within the community.

I don't think that the arch-fanboy niche is big enough to pay off the binning for 5GHz Visheras, much less the apparatus they would need for coolling the processor, the VRMs, etc.
 

lagokc

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When AMD got the performance crown in GPUs and decided to charge an arm and a leg for their top card, even some of the fanboys criticized the measure and AMD got some heavy flak within the community.

I don't think that the arch-fanboy niche is big enough to pay off the binning for 5GHz Visheras, much less the apparatus they would need for coolling the processor, the VRMs, etc.

Maybe that's why the 5GHz Visheras cost so much, the included HSF is a 5 pound block of copper connected with 30 heatpipes.
 

Idontcare

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I don't think that the arch-fanboy niche is big enough to pay off the binning for 5GHz Visheras, much less the apparatus they would need for coolling the processor, the VRMs, etc.

Considering how much the power-consumption for my 8350 climbed as I OC'ed from 4GHz to 4.5GHz, 5GHz would probably land you at around 500W (not trying to be funny or silly, that is my honest estimate).
 

BuffaloChuck

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Every consumer would benefit from AMD ramping back up and delivering at-least-attempts at CPU superiority. They haven't done that for half this century, it seems - attempting only to match, at best - an obviously fruitless waste of effort that has brought AMD to its current lowly state.

I still love their MBs because their memory controllers have offered six native SATAIIIs for 4 years now. Haswell is threatening to do this - finally. Proof is in the pudding, however.
 

MisterMac

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Considering how much the power-consumption for my 8350 climbed as I OC'ed from 4GHz to 4.5GHz, 5GHz would probably land you at around 500W (not trying to be funny or silly, that is my honest estimate).


Epic.


In all honesty i think Intel\AMD should be more like some of the big car companies.

Make a concept car - 100 of em - stupid price sold at total perhaps at a loss.
Solely for the purpose of doing it as an engineering feat etc etc.


Imagine Intel actively designing a board\socket\cpu solution with 300w of headroom?
 

mrmt

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Make a concept car - 100 of em - stupid price sold at total perhaps at a loss.
Solely for the purpose of doing it as an engineering feat etc etc.

A 32 core derpdozer or a 5GHz 8 core version wouldn't be an engineering feat from a MPU POV, just from a cooling POV.
 

JimmiG

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What's the point of a 5 GHz AMD chip anyway? It's like having a car that can rev really high but goes really slow.
 

inf64

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What's the point of a 5 GHz AMD chip anyway? It's like having a car that can rev really high but goes really slow.
Believe it or not 5Ghz 8350 would rival 3930K. But that's not the point of that chip, if it's true (which I doubt), it is only for hwbot crowd and setting a Ghz wr.
 

lagokc

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Believe it or not 5Ghz 8350 would rival 3930K. But that's not the point of that chip, if it's true (which I doubt), it is only for hwbot crowd and setting a Ghz wr.

*for some but probably not even most workloads
 

smartpatrol

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"If I had 800$ to blow, it would be for an AMD CPU"

....said no one ever (not in the past decade anyway..)

Back in the Athlon FX 64 days it wasn't out of the question. (Although that was almost 10 years ago now. . . damn that makes me feel old!)

Anyway, here's hoping that this makes Intel feel the need to actually compete for the high-end gaming segment. It would make the gaming hardware scene more exciting, if nothing else.
 

lagokc

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Back in the Athlon FX 64 days it wasn't out of the question. (Although that was almost 10 years ago now. . . damn that makes me feel old!)

Anyway, here's hoping that this makes Intel feel the need to actually compete for the high-end gaming segment. It would make the gaming hardware scene more exciting, if nothing else.

Considering that for games an i5 3570k with a small overclock on stock HSF would destroy a 5GHz AMD 8-core I don't think Intel is so worried. It'd be nice if AMD was in a position to put more pressure on Intel but this isn't it.

When was the last time a game really stressed high-end CPUs anyway? A dual-core Ivy Bridge Celeron is enough for pretty much any game, it's GPUs that modern games are hard on.
 

Ajay

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Anyway, here's hoping that this makes Intel feel the need to actually compete for the high-end gaming segment. It would make the gaming hardware scene more exciting, if nothing else.

I doubt Intel would react, they have IVB-E coming out soon enough. Since they are sticking with six cores, we should see a bump in clocks (assuming Intel managed to cold solder the CPU to the IHS).

There is no way AMD redesigned Vishera to accomplish this feat, way too expensive. When AMD was running their own fabs, they were constantly tweaking the process parameters (IIRC). It's possible that they found a way to get vCore down low enough to make this possible, but there is a downside (which we wouldn't know about) - most likely is a horrible yield (so a limited run of X wafers to produce maybe a few thousand of these - in which case the price would make sense). It could be worth it for AMD to briefly steal some thunder in the extreme enthusiast market - and that might be enough to boost general sales of Vishera CPUs a bit (which wouldn't only be a direct cash benefit, but would also lower payments to GFL under the WSA).

They would also have to work with one mobo vendor to design a board specifically to support this processor with very high efficiency VRMs and some sort of fancy vapor chamber cooling for the same (so the motherboards would probably be priced pretty close the the CPU price).

Still, it seems like a real long shot, even if vCore was much lower and the electrical properties of the chosen CPUs were exceptional, AMD would still need to get the power usage down to something like 300 W, that's 40% lower than what IDK got!! Even then, I doubt it would be run on air, but rather use AMD's H2O cooler.

If this rumor is vaguely real, then Kudos to AMD, at least they are trying something (more like the old AMD used to do). If not, some websites got allot of page hits from creating a rumor
 
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