AMD Beema/Mullins Launch Thread

[AtenRa]

I'd be excited to see Beema on the AM1 platform.

Why exactly ?? Personally i dont see beema as something interesting for Desktop against Kabini.

 

[dorion]

I don't think its a conspiracy, but I do believe all review sites should be adding DOTA to their benchmarks being as it is quickly becoming a very heavily played game and requires a good amount of hardware.

As my primary time sink I would like that very much too. I have one resource for Dota 2 benchmarks and it is "dated:"
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/dota-2-performance-benchmark,3481.html

Maybe it's time to stop caring about WOW performance?

 

[Homeles]

Why exactly ?? Personally i dont see beema as something interesting for Desktop against Kabini.

Substantially higher clocks and lower power consumption aren't interesting to you? The A6-6310 is 2.4 GHz CPU, 800MHz GPU, with a TDP of 15W; the Athlon 5350 is 2.05GHz/600MHz with a TDP of 25W.

 

[AtenRa]

Substantially higher clocks and lower power consumption aren't interesting to you? The A6-6310 is 2.4 GHz CPU, 800MHz GPU, with a TDP of 15W; the Athlon 5350 is 2.05GHz/600MHz with a TDP of 25W.

Α4-6310 has a base frequency of 1.8GHz and Turbo at 2.4GHz.
Athlon 5350 has a base frequency at 2.0GHz and you can OC to 2.2-2.4GHz with some boards.

So for the Desktop i dont see why i would care for Beema. The lower TDP has no value in Consumer Desktop (AM1 socket).
If we were talking about Mobile or even Embedded then i would definitely would like to have Beema. But Consumer Desktop is just fine with Kabini.

 

[Homeles]

Α4-6310 has a base frequency of 1.8GHz and Turbo at 2.4GHz.
Athlon 5350 has a base frequency at 2.0GHz and you can OC to 2.2-2.4GHz with some boards.

So for the Desktop i dont see why i would care for Beema. The lower TDP has no value in Consumer Desktop (AM1 socket).
If we were talking about Mobile or even Embedded then i would definitely would like to have Beema. But Consumer Desktop is just fine with Kabini.

Eh? Power consumption is definitely an important factor for SFF desktops.

Beema is an all-around improved Kabini, that shouldn't cost any more for AMD to produce, as far as dynamic costs go. You get more frequency with less power, meaning that it's pretty likely that Beema could OC even better than Kabini.

I don't think its a conspiracy, but I do believe all review sites should be adding DOTA to their benchmarks being as it is quickly becoming a very heavily played game and requires a good amount of hardware.

I definitely agree. These kind of games do need to be more frequently included in hardware reviews.

Calling the reviewers incompetent, or anybody incompetent, is not going to get them to change their ways, though. People that do so could really benefit from reading "How to Win Friends and Influence People."

 

[AtenRa]

Eh? Power consumption is definitely an important factor for SFF desktops.

Beema is an all-around improved Kabini, that shouldn't cost any more for AMD to produce, as far as dynamic costs go. You get more frequency with less power, meaning that it's pretty likely that Beema could OC even better than Kabini.

AM1 socket is made for Desktop Consumer. 25W TDP has no problem with any SFF desktop Case and it is fine even with most AIOs too. Power consumption is not TDP. Dont forget that AM1 smallest motherboard form factor is Mini-iTX.

With Beema you get more frequency with a single core or 4 cores for a limited time due to TDP constrains. Beema cannot operate at 2.0GHz with 4 cores indefinitely or in the same conditions as Kabini. You will not get more OC out of Beema vs Kabini, both are the same, Beema only has Turbo and thats the only substantial difference (except the Security IC).

At the end you will not get any substantial power reduction or performance gain by using a Mobile optimized Beema in to a AM1 desktop. It is also one of the reasons AMD hasn't decided yet if they will release Beema for the AM1 yet.

 

[USER8000]

The thing is the 5350 is made at GF AFAIK,so probably is the same chips as Beema,but not as well binned as the mobile version.

 

[rainy]

Beema cannot operate at 2.0GHz with 4 cores indefinitely or in the same conditions as Kabini.

You're wrong - there's A8-6410 with 2.0/2.4 GHz clocks at 15W TDP and it is definitely a nice improvement over A6-5200/Athlon 5350 at 25W TDP.
Btw, second model of Beema is A6-6310 (not A4).
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Puma/AMD-A8-Series%20A8-6410.html

It is also one of the reasons AMD hasn't decided yet if they will release Beema for the AM1 yet.

Explanation is rather simple: Kabini for AM1 was released just 3 months ago.
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014041301_AMD_launches_Socket_AM1_APUs.html

 

[TrulyUncouth]

The thing is the 5350 is made at GF AFAIK,so probably is the same chips as Beema,but not as well binned as the mobile version.

I agree. If Beema/mullins were the only way to get the GF process then I think it'd be worth bringing them over. As it is I can't imagine its worth the cost or hassle.

 

[AtenRa]

You're wrong - there's A8-6410 with 2.0/2.4 GHz clocks at 15W TDP and it is definitely a nice improvement over A6-5200/Athlon 5350 at 25 W TDP.
Btw, second model of Beema is A6-6310 (not A4).
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Puma/AMD-A8-Series A8-6410.html

Nope,

Kabini 25W TDP can operate at full frequency on both CPU and iGPU simultaneously, Beema cannot do that at 15W TDP, either can turbo CPU at max frequency OR turbo iGPU at max frequency. Same "trick" Intel does with BayTrail.
They are (Beema and Mullins) after all made for Mobile, not Desktop.

Explanation is rather simple: Kabini for AM1 was released just 3 months ago.
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014041301_AMD_launches_Socket_AM1_APUs.html

Actually, there is no competition from Intel at that price point that threatens Kabini AM1 in CPU or iGPU performance at 25W TDP or bellow in 2014.

 

[rainy]

Kabini 25W TDP can operate at full frequency on both CPU and iGPU simultaneously, Beema cannot do that at 15W TDP, either can turbo CPU at max frequency OR turbo iGPU at max frequency.

Sorry, I do not understand your logic: A8-6410 base clocks are 2.0 GHz/600 MHz and for Athlon 5350 2.05/600, which means that you have the same level of performance at 40 percent lower TDP (15 vs 25W).

Because Beema have turbo, you'll get higher CPU or GPU performance depends on workload.
Isn't it an improvement?

 

[AtenRa]

Sorry, I do not understand your logic: A8-6410 base clocks are 2.0 GHz/600 MHz and for Athlon 5350 2.05/600, which means that you have the same level of performance at 40 percent lower TDP (15 vs 25W).

Because Beema have turbo, you'll get higher CPU or GPU performance depends on workload.
Isn't it an improvement?

Can A8-6410 sustain 2.0GHz + 600MHz for the iGPU simultaneously at long periods of time at only 15W TDP ??

And even if it can, what makes you want that over the Athlon 5350 in the Desktop ??? Lower power consumption ?? of what ?? 5W less when both CPU + iGPU is working ???

The performance and power consumption gains are too small to be of any interest in that segment, plus there is no competitor at the same price and TDP for the entire year (2014). So AMD sees no reason to make a Beema AM1 available.

Edit: The only reason to have that 15W TDP is to be able to have a passive Heat-Sink, yes that is an added bonus for many in that segment and yes i would like to see AM1 Passively cooled Beema.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Can A8-6410 sustain 2.0GHz + 600MHz for the iGPU simultaneously at long periods of time at only 15W TDP ??

And even if it can, what makes you want that over the Athlon 5350 in the Desktop ??? Lower power consumption ?? of what ?? 5W less when both CPU + iGPU is working ???

The performance and power consumption gains are too small to be of any interest in that segment, plus there is no competitor at the same price and TDP for the entire year (2014). So AMD sees no reason to make a Beema AM1 available.

You would think that the availability of sub-18W Bay Trail Nettops, would prompt AMD to act to compete.

 

[AtenRa]

You would think that the availability of sub-18W Bay Trail Nettops, would prompt AMD to act to compete.

There are only two reasons anyone would go for the BayTrail platform over AM1.

- Passive Cooling
- TDP constrain environment.

In every other aspect like Performance (both CPU and iGPU), upgradability, ECC support, GPU features, I/O features etc etc AM1 Kabini is without competition in that price and TDP segment.

 

[Abwx]

Can A8-6410 sustain 2.0GHz + 600MHz for the iGPU simultaneously at long periods of time at only 15W TDP ??

And even if it can, what makes you want that over the Athlon 5350 in the Desktop ??? Lower power consumption ?? of what ?? 5W less when both CPU + iGPU is working ???

At 600MHz, and fully loaded, the GPU barely consume 4W (Luxmark Luxball GPU), measured on an AM1 plateform.

With both GPU and CPU loaded comsumption at the wall is 27.8W, all things being accounted this yield barely 19-20W for the APU.

So it s possible to get 15W with well binned parts, and this is exactly what the AMD rep said about Bemma/Mullins.

 

[artivix]

Btw, second model of Beema is A6-6310 (not A4).
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Puma/AMD-A8-Series%20A8-6410.html
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Here is Computerbase forum quick test/review of Lenovo Flex 14D/15D with AMD A6-6310 Mullins/Beema Puma APU. --

http://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1353344


For a small core with single channel memory, first out of the box tests show A6-6310 has good performance in number of benchmarks.

Retailers in Europe now offering model with more features like discrete graphics Radeon R5 M230 2gb, hybrid hd-ssd for under 480 euro.


https://geizhals.at/eu/lenovo-ideapad-flex-2-14d-59419788-a1116443.html

 

[artivix]

Searching Europe and North America listings for AMD A6-6310 and A8-6410 Mullins Beema laptops with mostly HP, Toshiba and Lenovo. For interested, there is special rebate sale for Lenovo Flex 2 15D with A6-6310 at Tiger Direct so price cut from $499 to $399 until 23rd.




http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...BeOJsHvd0nirVg

 

[monstercameron]

mobile kaveri
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Acer-Aspire-E5-551-T8X3-Kaveri-A10-7300-Notebook.120389.0.html