AMD being smart about who gets a review sample

[Keysplayr]

isn't that the same as lawyers who gets out a damning question or statement and immediately recants it, and the judge orders it striked from record?

but the damage has been done, the jurors have heard it.

saying "I could be wrong" after the fact doesn't excuse much.

AMD is being very smart about it.

I don't know. Is it? Whatever the view of the video, the author makes plenty of good points and logical speculations. Some things were just south of plausible but I think he has shown that he feels the way a lot of forum goers here feel. A big 'ol WTF about the rebrands. And another thing he said that was right on point. AMD is going to have to fight tooth and nail to convince the public that HBM 4GB is enough for any res gaming and better than 4GB of GDDR5.
Whether this is the case, I don't know, I could be wrong and it remains to be seen. <-- See what I did there?

 

[monstercameron]

I don't know. Is it? Whatever the view of the video, the author makes plenty of good points and logical speculations. Some things were just south of plausible but I think he has shown that he feels the way a lot of forum goers here feel. A big 'ol WTF about the rebrands. And another thing he said that was right on point. AMD is going to have to fight tooth and nail to convince the public that HBM 4GB is enough for any res gaming and better than 4GB of GDDR5.
Whether this is the case, I don't know, I could be wrong and it remains to be seen. <-- See what I did there?

Who cares about the "rebrands" -nice job furthering this fud- and are you going to tell us that the video was ok, that we should trust someone who is blatantly misinforming his readership with fud?

I would've ending that thought with "the green team must pay you well" but that may be just spreading fud.

 

[tential]

Same story every time. Straight up with amd it's always incompetence at handling situations

 

[tential]

Who cares about the "rebrands" -nice job furthering this fud- and are you going to tell us that the video was ok, that we should trust someone who is blatantly misinforming his readership with fud?

I would've ending that thought with "the green team must pay you well" but that may be just spreading fud.

I don't know why you wouldn't rebrand as amd considering how strong g the 290 and x did against 970/980.
The problem becomes how it happened.

8 GB of vram. Good idea in theory but this isn't a 4gbvs 8gb. 8 seems overkill and amd isn't winning many sales with that. Not to mention it hurts their high end now since people see it as 4gb is on your highend but 8 GB on your midrange? Confusing....

Then no hdmi 2.0 on any of the lineup.

Then, they released the 300 cards first so we're all talking about how weak this is when they should be showing a fiji chip now. Not letting the 300 series clog our minds.


Sorry, originally it looked like a well planned launch but it slowly fell apart for me and looks worse and worse. Amd messed this up from a marketing standpoint, business, engineering, etc.

 

[railven]

You guys saw the sour grapes tweets and articles. Of course this is a good idea. They weren't going to get a fair shake from specific sites, so why bother? If said site really wants to bash the product let them pay for it.

You can be positive about a product and still be critical. Example, Anandtech's Kavari Refresh article. It slammed AMD for it's short comings but still talked up the product and ended over all in my opinion on a good note.

Either way, this will get spun as a negative and how AMD doesn't want negative vibe, yada yada yada. After the whole FCAT fiasco and how it's now basically abandoned in review sites, them people can suck an egg.

"We need FCAT, do FCAT, WE LOVE FCAT"
"What, NV isn't good this time? FCAT what? Never heard of it."

EDIT: Just saw that youtube vid from Kitguru. Damn, guy's grape so sour he got wine and drunk off them.

 

[Keysplayr]

Who cares about the "rebrands" -nice job furthering this fud- and are you going to tell us that the video was ok, that we should trust someone who is blatantly misinforming his readership with fud?

I would've ending that thought with "the green team must pay you well" but that may be just spreading fud.

The whole internetz is abuzz about it so I doubt I made a dent with the alleged FUD you say is happening here. And what do you feel the KitGuru guy said that was misinforming people.... blatantly.... ??

EDIT: Give time stamps in the vid, would you please? This way we can address the lies and deceptions together.

 

[monstercameron]

I don't know why you wouldn't rebrand as amd considering how strong g the 290 and x did against 970/980.
The problem becomes how it happened.

8 GB of vram. Good idea in theory but this isn't a 4gbvs 8gb. 8 seems overkill and amd isn't winning many sales with that. Not to mention it hurts their high end now since people see it as 4gb is on your highend but 8 GB on your midrange? Confusing....

Then no hdmi 2.0 on any of the lineup.

Then, they released the 300 cards first so we're all talking about how weak this is when they should be showing a fiji chip now. Not letting the 300 series clog our minds.


Sorry, originally it looked like a well planned launch but it slowly fell apart for me and looks worse and worse. Amd messed this up from a marketing standpoint, business, engineering, etc.

Yeah there is no pleasing some people...
Better perf/w
More performance
New memory tech
Possible native hevc decoding
Smaller form factor
Cooler
Quieter
Cheaper

I'm sorry but everything is a compromise, atleast this market still allows you to choose between the two, sorry Intel.

 

[railven]

Yeah there is no pleasing some people...
Better perf/w
More performance
New memory tech
Possible native hevc decoding
Smaller form factor
Cooler
Quieter
Cheaper

I'm sorry but everything is a compromise, atleast this market still allows you to choose between the two, sorry Intel.

BUT NO HDMI 2.0!!!! FAIL!!!!!!!

Once a side is picked people defended either through sheer loyalty or compensation. It's getting harder and harder to see where the line is.

 

[monstercameron]

The whole internetz is abuzz about it so I doubt I made a dent with the alleged FUD you say is happening here. And what do you feel the KitGuru guy said that was misinforming people.... blatantly.... ??

EDIT: Give time stamps in the vid, would you please? This way we can address the lies and deceptions together.

I could do that but I won't give those guys anymore views...unless you have a mirror of the video or something.

 

[Tsavo]

Dumb move.

AMD should get in to the circus business, because the company is being run by clowns.

 

[railven]

I could do that but I won't give those guys anymore views...unless you have a mirror of the video or something.

I've started using archive.is at work. Good way to get around pesky firewalls/filters and not give a website traffic.

Then share the archive.is link instead of a live one.

 

[tential]

BUT NO HDMI 2.0!!!! FAIL!!!!!!!

Once a side is picked people defended either through sheer loyalty or compensation. It's getting harder and harder to see where the line is.

Except I have the 7950 now and the reason I didn't get a 290x or gtx card is because the 290x was a good deal but no hdmi and the gtx card was too expensive for the performance.

Either way I get screwed. I may be the 1% of gpu buyers but every percentage counts if you're amd and it's looking like this for you

 

[Keysplayr]

I could do that but I won't give those guys anymore views...unless you have a mirror of the video or something.

Oh come on. Is it really that important? Lets do it. You might convince me yet. Seriously.

 

[railven]

Except I have the 7950 now and the reason I didn't get a 290x or gtx card is because the 290x was a good deal but no hdmi and the gtx card was too expensive for the performance.

Either way I get screwed. I may be the 1% of gpu buyers but every percentage counts if you're amd and it's looking like this for you

I'm not saying your opinion is invalid.. But as you said, you're the 1%.

But the general consensus I saw here was how AMD failed at engineering because they didn't include a feature that majority of the people complaining wouldn't use. Thus my sarcastic remark.

 

[monstercameron]

Oh come on. Is it really that important? Lets do it. You might convince me yet. Seriously.

If there is one thing that i hate, it is fud or misinformation. So f*** 'em, ama take them out of my tinytinyrss feedlist.

 

[parvadomus]

The KitGuru guy is an idiot, how much will it cost that stupid video to him? Millions of views to his site, cause no more products from AMD.
If I were AMD I would kick him in the butt too. Their claims are dumb: "Fiji used the saved power consumption from HBM to pack more compute stuff", why dont he says "Maxwell used the saved DP circuitry space to pack more SP shaders", the end result is the same. And its exactly the same about rebrands. GK104 lived for 2 generations GTX600/GTX700. Is it bad for Hawaii to live in 200/300 series? or Tahiti in 7900/280 series?
What about the Fermi low end chips that were alive even in the 700s series?
IF their products are worse for the end user than the competition is one thing, but his claims applies for both companies.

 

[ComputerGuy2006]

I haven't read the entire thread and dont know if AMD is in the wrong here, but AMD does have a shady past with marketing. I remember when a CPU (bulldozer I think) was setting a 'world record' for higher GHZ, but once the NDA lifted we all saw how much that chip sucked. Seems a CPU before and after that also had a lot of 'hype' from AMD marketing with horrendous disappointments.

 

[tential]

I'm not saying your opinion is invalid.. But as you said, you're the 1%.

But the general consensus I saw here was how AMD failed at engineering because they didn't include a feature that majority of the people complaining wouldn't use. Thus my sarcastic remark.

I think you guys really understate how many people htpc game though. A lot of people built htpc. It pisses me off even how many people have mini itx htpc gaming cased for the living room with too little power supplies and size for decent graphics cards. But I digress a lot of people want the power of a pc at their TV. A lot. Look no further than the Kodi and avs forums for people. Look how long the 4k HDTV thread is at overclockers(I'll let someone correct me I know I'm wrong I just can't remember the exact name), there are tons of massive threads if people HDTV gaming with pcs talking about which tvs are ok for gaming. Maybe they aren't up to your 2 ms response times. But since I haven't gamed on a monitor in years and don't play anything online in which I'm more than skillful enough to over 50 ms of input lag (lol seriously? I play on UK servers for fun lag doesn't bother me I adapt and win).

Only if I was at a Lan party would i ever care, otherwise, everyone has lag online, extra lag by my monitor/hdtb is never going to ever bother me.

 

[JDG1980]

And its exactly the same about rebrands. GK104 lived for 2 generations GTX600/GTX700. Is it bad for Hawaii to live in 200/300 series? or Tahiti in 7900/280 series?
What about the Fermi low end chips that were alive even in the 700s series?

As I have said before, AMD was able to get away with the 200-series rebrands because they were still reasonably competitive in both performance and perf/watt. Moreover, they were still feature-competitive at the time. And AMD used these rebrands in order to push through price cuts. The R9 280X at $299 was a pretty good deal, and the R9 270 was probably the best card at the time that could run with only a single 6-pin connector (150W TDP).

That's different than rebranding Pitcairn for the third time when it's way outdated even against AMD's own lineup in terms of features. (And to add insult to injury, the 370 is actually a worse card than the 270.) Or bringing back Hawaii, hiking its price, and pitting it against GM204 when it's clear that Hawaii loses badly to the Maxwell offering in terms of both perf/watt and feature support.

As for the low-end Fermi crap, no one cares. A decent iGPU beats these cards, anyway. Video cards below $99 are almost never targeted to enthusiasts or even HTPC users, so they don't really matter and virtually never get refreshed.

 

[Azix]

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[Keysplayr]

If there is one thing that i hate, it is fud or misinformation. So f*** 'em, ama take them out of my tinytinyrss feedlist.

Exactly my point. You hate FUD and misinformation and I offer you a chance to debate that. You turn it down based on a fairly weak "I don't want to give his video views" reason. You turn down opportunity to prove it FUD or to demonstrate it FUD but you decline.

So be it.

 

[sandorski]

Sucks to be Kitguru, especially when they brought it on themselves.

 

[jackstar7]

Exactly my point. You hate FUD and misinformation and I offer you a chance to debate that. You turn it down based on a fairly weak "I don't want to give his video views" reason. You turn down opportunity to prove it FUD or to demonstrate it FUD but you decline.

So be it.

You could counter any of RS's points. As he stated, he didn't just disagree with everything said in the video whole cloth.

And that saves everyone some time.

Are you up to it?

 

[boozzer]

I don't know. Is it? Whatever the view of the video, the author makes plenty of good points and logical speculations. Some things were just south of plausible but I think he has shown that he feels the way a lot of forum goers here feel. A big 'ol WTF about the rebrands. And another thing he said that was right on point. AMD is going to have to fight tooth and nail to convince the public that HBM 4GB is enough for any res gaming and better than 4GB of GDDR5.
Whether this is the case, I don't know, I could be wrong and it remains to be seen. <-- See what I did there?

but your post is just between you and I we aren't reviewers of a major hardware website. with thousands of gullible viewers.

get my point yet?

regarding the bolded part, isn't that just your opinion and his. that isn't a book review, I need cold hard facts not baseless speculation or predictions(see what I did there ) in a hardware review.

4gb is enough I don't know, could be wrong and it remains to be seen. see what I did again? one of us is being negative, I don't need to point it out right? right.

presenting baseless guesswork/opinion as fact should be against the rules in this forum I was told this is a serious hardware forum. doubly so for a well known hardware reviewer. I as a customer want cold hard facts and the right benchmarks. they can keep their opinions to a minimum.

 

[Silverforce11]

Yeah. Just pretend it was Charlie Demerjian "Lite" talking about Nvidia.

Yeah but these companies don't give free samples to Charlie so he can bash them endlessly.

Don't enable your enemies. It seems absurd why a tech site like KG would actually go so much on the offensive against AMD publicly, looks like the editor has a vendetta.

Other biased sites tend to be more covert, like TechReport, they didn't include Dirt because it had Global Illumination (can toggle on/off) feature that ran badly on NV, but they include Project Cars where there's no toggle on/off to help AMD with their 50%-80% performance deficit. Or FCAT shilling then 970/980 came out, they stopped using it as other sites found Maxwell SLI stutters.