AMD Bristol/Stoney Ridge Thread

Page 31 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

AtenRa

Lifer
Feb 2, 2009
14,003
3,361
136
I dont have the time as of now to personally make a review but i would really like to see the 35W TDP A12-9800E against the 51W Kabylake G4600 with HD630 in iGPU gaming.
 

Asterox

Golden Member
May 15, 2012
1,028
1,786
136
I dont have the time as of now to personally make a review but i would really like to see the 35W TDP A12-9800E against the 51W Kabylake G4600 with HD630 in iGPU gaming.

Price-performance ratio, A8-9600 is much better or "ultimate champion for low budget iGPU gaming PC".

A8-9600
for 70$(in Croatia 64euro) this is great APU, especially if we compare what "old-new AMD GPU" card you can buy today.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...tion=Radeon+R7+250&ignorear=0&N=-1&isNodeId=1

Radeon R7 250

- lowest price 60$

- GPU 384 GCN Cores first generation

- old or outdated AMD UVD 4.0

- considerably faster than A8-9600 GPU, but without CPU part this GPU is only very expensive fancy doorstop

A8-9600 GPU

- price 70$

- GPU 384 GCN Cores Third Generation or 3.0

- AMD UVD 6.0, 4K HEVC/ H265 hardware video acceleration

- AMD gives Quad Core Excavator CPU almost for free

Here are several A8-9600 iGPU gaming examples, all that from Youtube TechEpiphany chanell.For better viewing of information, i'll put everything in one post.

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/amd-bristol-stoney-ridge-thread.2463487/page-30#post-39044914

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/amd-bristol-stoney-ridge-thread.2463487/page-30#post-39054985

Short or very simple quick overclocking 1ghz+ to 4.1ghz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD3imB5ewz0

Doom 720p, low-medium setings 40+FPS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MugKK_zZT6U

Battlefield 1, 1080p low setings 40+FPS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSYt-GmMaMo

TitanFall 2, 768p adaptive resolution low to higher details (during the game) 55+FPS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn6iElEvyr0

Star Wars Battlefront, 1080p low-medium setings 45+FPS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avvtZGf8hE8

OverWatch, 1080p low setings 35+FPS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoDKQv80xYw


Dirt Rally, 900p medium setings 35+FPS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY6obTHtFSA

CoD Infinitive Warfare MP, 720p normal setings 45+FPS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDiiuzw7UIg

GTA V, 1080p normal setings 30+FPS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXhyVlNW8TQ

Battlefield 4, 720p low setings 50+FPS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHrt_TXZdWM

Project Cars, 1080p low-medium setings 30+FPS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JTCzS_Uxso

Crysis 3, 768p low setings 35+FPS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNkXQj6PGxo

Fallout 4, 720p low-medium setings 35+FPS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOhYFzAIP0w



Brief test or gaming comparison, Pentium G4560 iGPU vs A8-9600 iGPU

Tomb Raider: 1080p / medium

Battlefield 1: 768p / medium

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCEP7vy9Xxk
 
Last edited:
Oct 30, 2004
11,442
32
91
So, if I were looking for a cheap laptop (sub $400 - open box / refurbished) that could do a little gaming, would I be better with the integrated graphics of a A12-9700 or a Core i3 / i5 7th generation with the HD 620? Does the possible improvement in graphics processing of the AMD make up for its core speed / processing weaknesses relative to a 7th generation i3/i5?
 

AtenRa

Lifer
Feb 2, 2009
14,003
3,361
136
So, if I were looking for a cheap laptop (sub $400 - open box / refurbished) that could do a little gaming, would I be better with the integrated graphics of a A12-9700 or a Core i3 / i5 7th generation with the HD 620? Does the possible improvement in graphics processing of the AMD make up for its core speed / processing weaknesses relative to a 7th generation i3/i5?

The A12-9700 has a faster iGPU than HD620, in most of the games it will be faster. But in games that need more CPU performance the Intel models with HD620 will be faster.
In both cases make sure your laptop has dual-channel ram (not only dual memory modules) because some laptops may have dual memory modules but only single channel support.
 

amd6502

Senior member
Apr 21, 2017
971
360
136
Do the specs on this laptop make any sense at all?
.... looks like a pathetic Radeon R7 M445 was paired up with an AMD FX 9800P. Would the integrated R7 graphics on the FX-9800P beat or come close to those of the M445? I mean, what's the point of having a discrete GPU chip if it's pathetically weak?

a12-9700p
GPU Type: Radeon R7 series
Microarchitecture: 3rd Gen Graphics Core Next
Shader cores: 384
Base frequency (MHz): 758

Yes the iGPU is more powerful and this config makes no sense. Is the r7 M445 soldered onto the laptop motherboard? Sometimes these boards are made so that either intel or amd bga CPUs + chipset can be soldered on, so in the case of a default config (intel cpu) the config could make more sense.

15w is very little for a GPU, so my guess is that 15W mobile power budget is much trickier to have working well without the cpu and igpu competing for power budget, than in a desktop 45w/65w tdp, or even laptop gaming tdp ~35w, as in the nowhere to be found 9x30p chips (a10-9730 fx-9830p). surprisingly casual 720p gaming is still possible in quite a few cases: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc9yvImvlbA

I guess if you look around you do see the 35w variants produced in gaming laptops; definitely a bit pricier, but not unreasonable. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834234538&cm_re=FX-9830P-_-34-234-538-_-Product or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frxlkYesZJY
 
Last edited:
Oct 30, 2004
11,442
32
91
The A12-9700 has a faster iGPU than HD620, in most of the games it will be faster. But in games that need more CPU performance the Intel models with HD620 will be faster.
In both cases make sure your laptop has dual-channel ram (not only dual memory modules) because some laptops may have dual memory modules but only single channel support.

It sounds like it's kind of a wash between the two, then. It's too bad there isn't a study comparing the two, somewhere.

How the heck would you find out if a laptop has dual channel ram? Store specs (and elsewhere) never tell you what the mobo and its specs are.
 

amd6502

Senior member
Apr 21, 2017
971
360
136
It sounds like it's kind of a wash between the two, then. It's too bad there isn't a study comparing the two, somewhere.

How the heck would you find out if a laptop has dual channel ram? Store specs (and elsewhere) never tell you what the mobo and its specs are.

Try to find (search engine) a product review. Some, like hp, do tell you memory config on their product page. (During the Carrizo-L days you had some single-channel limited motherboards. I don't think it's so common anymore, but possible, because like carrizo-L, Stoney is also single channel).16gb RAM + 4gb vram on that Dell is pretty luxurious!

As far as the M445, there's a possibility that it could dual graphics with the A10's 384 SPs iGPU, as actually they look equally matched, due to the 920mhz boost freq on the 320 SPs M445, and because the iGPU may not always run at full frequency when the CPU is also hungry to share wattage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Radeon_400_series

Radeon really needs more manpower as they seem lagging with drivers (even more so in the linux world). It'd be very nice to see dual graphics on such a budget config.
 
Last edited:

AtenRa

Lifer
Feb 2, 2009
14,003
3,361
136
M445 is the same as M440 but with GDDR-5, both can CrossFire with the A8-9600/A10-9700 and A12-9800.
 

Crono

Lifer
Aug 8, 2001
23,720
1,501
136
Got my Athlon X4 950, about to put into a build tonight or tomorrow. Performance doesn't look impressive from reviews, but as a cheap 4 thread AM4 CPU (albeit one still on 28nm Excavator) it's fast enough for a mining build with potential upgrade later for gaming. I was initially planning on getting a Pentium G4600, but with a ~$30 price difference and the limited future of the 1151 socket, I went AMD this time around.
 
Reactions: VirtualLarry
Oct 30, 2004
11,442
32
91
M445 is the same as M440 but with GDDR-5, both can CrossFire with the A8-9600/A10-9700 and A12-9800.

Wait...are you guys saying that the laptop A12-9700 CPU and the 440/445M GPU could have a crossfire / SLI functionality ?!? So in essence such a laptop would have the additive graphics power of both the integrated Radeon R7 graphics on the CPU and the separate GPU?
 

DrMrLordX

Lifer
Apr 27, 2000
21,803
11,157
136
I believe the use of a mobile dGPU and iGPU in tandem still falls under the header of "dual graphics" which has . . . well let's just say it never impressed me much on Kaveri.
 

amd6502

Senior member
Apr 21, 2017
971
360
136
Wait...are you guys saying that the laptop A12-9700 CPU and the 440/445M GPU could have a crossfire / SLI functionality ?!? So in essence such a laptop would have the additive graphics power of both the integrated Radeon R7 graphics on the CPU and the separate GPU?
Yes, not all games support dual graphics though. It varies how effective it is. Here is a similar config with a very weak dGPU; a8-7600+r7 240. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Qvuk502ZBU This fellow has no such luck getting gta v running fast enough on a 15w a10-9600p . fps in low 20s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaFgkYB1Rig I'm thinking the iGPU could actually be gimped by single channel. The acer comes standard only with 4GB DDR4, almost certainly a single stick configuration https://www.acer.com/ac/en/MY/content/model/NX.GEQSM.001
 

Insert_Nickname

Diamond Member
May 6, 2012
4,971
1,692
136
I'm thinking the iGPU could actually be gimped by single channel.

That's at least -50% performance right there. APUs do not like single channel at all. Only exception is the Cat core APUs, where the IGP is too small for it to matter.
 

amd6502

Senior member
Apr 21, 2017
971
360
136
Yes it looks like it was. Below is a A10+R440 running properly; "GTA 5: Normal at 768p | 30-45 FPS"; unfortunately some titles don't perform as well, and this is the thing about dual graphics; you are counting on the game to make use of it and it doesn't always. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-nT8hE4RYo When it works it is a very nice thing though.
 

AtenRa

Lifer
Feb 2, 2009
14,003
3,361
136
The only reason to buy the A12-9800 today is for the iGPU, for the platform and for the better upgradability (RavenRidge APUs or 8Core Ryzen+ next year).
Also as of today with Pentium G4560 prices, it is better to get the Athlon X4 950 + B350 motherboard and have the ability to overclock and a better upgrade path with more motherboard features than the G4560 + H110 board.
 

Asterox

Golden Member
May 15, 2012
1,028
1,786
136
The only reason to buy the A12-9800 today is for the iGPU, for the platform and for the better upgradability (RavenRidge APUs or 8Core Ryzen+ next year).
Also as of today with Pentium G4560 prices, it is better to get the Athlon X4 950 + B350 motherboard and have the ability to overclock and a better upgrade path with more motherboard features than the G4560 + H110 board.

No, for 110dolars price=performanse A12-9800 today does not make any sense.

A12-9800, 110$

Athlon X4 950,
60$

A8-9600,
70$ or simple you pay 10$ for 384 GCN Cores Third Generation

iGPU performanse A12-9800 vs A8-9600, well short test is quite enough=40dolars thrown out of the window.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu_5kmiUQCo

If you want solid 720p/1080p iGPU performanse or gaming, price=performanse best first step in AM4 Socket(+later upgrade) A8-9600 is the only logical choice.

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/amd-bristol-stoney-ridge-thread.2463487/page-31#post-39058654





 
Reactions: VirtualLarry

AtenRa

Lifer
Feb 2, 2009
14,003
3,361
136
Sorry but that A12-9800 had up to 10fps more than the A8-9600 (40fps vs 50fps) in the video, which is 25% higher. For an USFF Gaming system the A12-9800 is the best you can get at the price.
 

VirtualLarry

No Lifer
Aug 25, 2001
56,448
10,117
126
https://www.techspot.com/review/1486-amd-a12-9800/

Pretty scathing review from TechSpot on the A12-9800 AM4 APU. Poor showing all around, although, it is apparently capable of playing some titles on the APU graphics, which the G4560 just can't quite handle. But throw in a dGPU, and the A12-9800 is sorely outclassed in the CPU dept.

Still, I think it could handle desktop productivity tasks to a certain extent, along with media-playback. Think Kiosk machines. Could find a niche.
 
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |