AMD Bristol/Stoney Ridge Thread

[hojnikb]

I would love to talk a friend of mine into a Bristol Ridge desktop. He watches a lot of internet-based video, and has an Athlon II X4 currently, with a GT610.

What would your friend gain with this ?

 

[Arachnotronic]

Yeah we all have been waiting!! Whats the deal here, where are they?Jeez AMD release something and let us give you our money already..

They are likely doing this to allow their channel partners (aka Newegg, Amazon, and others) to drain their Bulldozer FX/Kaveri inventories. Once Zen and Bristol Ridge, really AM4, is out, these products will basically be un-sellable.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

I dont think they will be un-sellable, they would just have to heavily discount those parts to more price friendly levels. No reason a 880k should be still selling for $100.00 and same goes for A10-7890k and there FX line. AMD's the ones shooting them self in there own foot.

 

[Abwx]

No reason a 880k should be still selling for $100.00 and same goes for A10-7890k and there FX line. AMD's the ones shooting them self in there own foot.

It s already done but surely that some retailers are taking advantage of the thing to increase their margins, FI the 880K can be found at 83€ in a german big shop, since this include 19% VAT there s no reason that it shouldnt be priced 83$ in the US, the A10 7850K is at 95€ in the APU dpt.

Likewise the FX8300 is at 110€ and the FX8350 is below 150€, also with 19% VAT accounted..

To get back on Bristol Ridge it will be priced similarly to Godavari SKUs, the 9800 will replace the 7870K and the 9700 the 7670K, it s likely that a BR higher clocked part will be released later at 4GHz base 4.3 turbo to replace the 7890K.

 

[ET]

Once Zen and Bristol Ridge, really AM4, is out, these products will basically be un-sellable.

The problem is, once Zen is out, Bristol Ridge will be a lot less attractive. Raven Ridge is supposed to arrive a few months after Zen, right? People who want an APU will think twice about buying Bristol Ridge when Raven Ridge is around the corner. Meanwhile, people who want an APU now will think twice about buying current ones when Bristol Ridge is already on the market, just not available for DIY builders.

So AMD's strategy in the APU market seems to be anti-DIY. That may be either from assuming that's it's a small market, or because AMD doesn't believe that Bristol Ridge is truly attractive. Of course it's also possible that the problem is just getting the motherboards out.

 

[Arachnotronic]

The problem is, once Zen is out, Bristol Ridge will be a lot less attractive. Raven Ridge is supposed to arrive a few months after Zen, right? People who want an APU will think twice about buying Bristol Ridge when Raven Ridge is around the corner. Meanwhile, people who want an APU now will think twice about buying current ones when Bristol Ridge is already on the market, just not available for DIY builders.

So AMD's strategy in the APU market seems to be anti-DIY. That may be either from assuming that's it's a small market, or because AMD doesn't believe that Bristol Ridge is truly attractive. Of course it's also possible that the problem is just getting the motherboards out.

Raven is 2H 2017, so Q3 at the earliest, Q4 possible.

 

[Shehriazad]

Im still waiting for the "DIY" CPU/Mainboard release...it's still just OEM...wasn't it supposed to happen this month?

 

[ET]

Raven is 2H 2017, so Q3 at the earliest, Q4 possible.

Sure, but when is Bristol Ridge DIY? November? December? January? AMD has already been teaching us to be patient. If Bristol Ridge DIY is released in January, do you think people will rush to buy it, wait for Raven Ridge, or just buy a low power Summit Ridge with a low power discrete GPU?

 

[VirtualLarry]

What would your friend gain with this ?

Lower power consumption
Better video-decoding support
Better platform features (M.2 PCI-E, SATA6G)
Upgradability

(not necessarily in that order)

 

[hojnikb]

Lower power consumption
Better video-decoding support
Better platform features (M.2 PCI-E, SATA6G)
Upgradability

(not necessarily in that order)

For video watching, he's better off with an android tv box. It will cost fraction of the price of such build and will consume 10-20x less power while doing the same thing.

 

[VirtualLarry]

For video watching, he's better off with an android tv box. It will cost fraction of the price of such build and will consume 10-20x less power while doing the same thing.

Then he wouldn't be able to do "adult gaming" online with it, like a PC.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Only a couple days till Nov now and still no AM4 Bristol Ridge I thought Lisa Su said we were getting these by mid Oct? What the heck gives? Is there a delay now?

 

[DrMrLordX]

It's possible that AMD's beancounters decided that the DIY market for APUs was too small to prioritize shipments of product so soon. Judging by the delays with availability of the 7890k in the broader market, it's theoretically possible that Bristol Ridge could be available for DIY purchase months after the launch of Summit Ridge.

Which would be goofy as hell, but . . .

 

[hojnikb]

One would expect 28nm products are mature by now and availability shouldn't be an issue...

 

[DrMrLordX]

It's not availability, I don't think. It's that AMD may see no profit in selling to the DIY market now, or perhaps ever.

Many DIY buyers have turned against APUs to the point that they will never buy them.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

I wonder if they are canceling the DIY stuff as it might have been to confusing for the consumers that are wanting to upgrade to Zen? Like maybe AMD is worried that people would confuse Bristol Ridge for Zen and maybe it would give them a bad rep for the AM4 socket since Bristol Ridge would not be that next Gen upgrade everyone is looking for? God I hope that's not the case? I don't know maybe I'm just being to paranoid. But you never can tell with AMD,they always keep ya guessing.

 

[AtenRa]

Many DIY buyers have turned against APUs to the point that they will never buy them.

Well, they havent released something better than Kaveri for 2 years. Kaveri was fine in 2014, not in the end of 2016. And BristolRidge is not going to bring anything more than 10-20% faster graphics, that also is not enough for 1080p gaming. So its only natural people doesnt care that much for APUs today if they dont bring a substantial performance increase over the 2.5 year old Kaveri.

I wonder if they are canceling the DIY stuff as it might have been to confusing for the consumers that are wanting to upgrade to Zen? Like maybe AMD is worried that people would confuse Bristol Ridge for Zen and maybe it would give them a bad rep for the AM4 socket since Bristol Ridge would not be that next Gen upgrade everyone is looking for? God I hope that's not the case? I don't know maybe I'm just being to paranoid. But you never can tell with AMD,they always keep ya guessing.

If they would release AM4 + BristolRidge in June 2016 they wouldnt have to worry about people mistake BR with ZEN.

 

[USER8000]

Well, they havent released something better than Kaveri for 2 years. Kaveri was fine in 2014, not in the end of 2016. And BristolRidge is not going to bring anything more than 10-20% faster graphics, that also is not enough for 1080p gaming. So its only natural people doesnt care that much for APUs today if they dont bring a substantial performance increase over the 2.5 year old Kaveri.



If they would release AM4 + BristolRidge in June 2016 they wouldnt have to worry about people mistake BR with ZEN.

The main problem is people know FM2+ is an old and soon to be EOL socket and that is has no upgrade path. What they don't seem to get,is if they keep delaying Bristol Ridge,all the reviews will be against Kaby Lake and not Skylake and it will have improved integrated graphics. Kaveri also lacks support for things like H265 too,so even for media usage people will buy Intel.

AMD as a company don't seem to get the importance of perception at times and they keep delaying parts as they probably want to clear older inventory. The problem is that this is a very short sighted approach as it condemns their newer parts to look even worse as they end up fighting parts they never intended to launch against,this affects perception and sales and the cycle is continued.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Well, they havent released something better than Kaveri for 2 years. Kaveri was fine in 2014, not in the end of 2016. And BristolRidge is not going to bring anything more than 10-20% faster graphics, that also is not enough for 1080p gaming. So its only natural people doesnt care that much for APUs today if they dont bring a substantial performance increase over the 2.5 year old Kaveri.

What's worse is that Bristol Ridge will probably be slower than Kaveri clock-per-clock in some games thanks to BR's smaller l2 cache. We already see that with the x4 845.

 

[deasd]

Wrong thread, sorry.

 

[hojnikb]

https://dresdenboy.blogspot.si/2016/10/stoney-ridge-6w-engineering-sample.html

This looks like an interesting part, if it ends up real. 6W is pretty much low enough for passive cooling.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

6w?? Jeez what is it competing with Raspberry Pi?

 

[LTC8K6]

I would think that a 6W "bulldozer descendant" would be pretty slow?

 

[NTMBK]

6W? Would like to see that in a gaming handheld.

 

[LTC8K6]

We have 4.5W and 6W from Intel and now 6W from AMD.