AMD Bristol/Stoney Ridge Thread

[Justinbaileyman]

LOL those are some very sad looking heat sinks. You could always toss on a Hyper 212 evo for like $20-25 bucks then take that stock heatsink to a recycle shop and get like $5 or 10 bucks for it recovering some of the money you spent on a 212 evo..

 

[Masochrist_]

Yay, looks like the 9830p on laptops is a reality !

Press control+F and search for "9830". Paired with a 460 Polaris, not bad at all.

 

[NostaSeronx]

Just want to shoot out... that the next major update for 22FDX is the v1.0 PDK. The maximum amount of metal layers possible in standard models is 12. The same as Carrizo/Bristol Ridge on GF28A and GF28A+(CTI+n) nodes. - CTI = Continuous Transistor Improvement.

The IP might survive, but the APU SKUs will not. My guesses are;
Stoney Ridge => Quad-core/448 ALUs(4+3 CU)
Bristol Ridge => Hexa/Octo-core/768 ALUs(4+4+4 CU)/1024 ALUs(4+4+4+4 CU)
Architectural => LVT/RVT/HVT 3 Vts -> LVT+BB/RVT+BB 2 Vts+BB

 

[deasd]

A12-9800 with Asus A320M-C mobo:
http://www.planet3dnow.de/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=426871

565GFLOPs double precision

 

[ET]

I checked the manual linked from here. At least it confirms Windows 7 support, which means I can hopefully drop BR as a replacement without reinstalling the OS.

Still waiting for a more modern AM4 MB.

Edit: Looks like the price for this CPU+MB combo is 200 Euro.

And looks like the A12-9800 is at least faster than the A10-7860K.

 

[DrMrLordX]

565 GFlops??!?!? Is that an error?

Also it looks like foreign markets are getting these A320M-C + 9800 combos. I still see nothing in the US.

 

[LTC8K6]

565 GFlops??!?!? Is that an error?

Also it looks like foreign markets are getting these A320M-C + 9800 combos. I still see nothing in the US.

2x4 GB DDR4-2133 - that is not good for the gpu?
But it's not a new chip, right? It's just Excavator/Bulldozer?

 

[AtenRa]

A12-9800 with Asus A320M-C mobo:
http://www.planet3dnow.de/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=426871

565GFLOPs double precision

Wow, the iGPU is a Compute powerhouse vs the Kaveri.

A107850K with 2133MHz DDR-3 11-12-11

A12-9800 with 2133MHz DDR-4 15-15-15

 

[DrMrLordX]

2x4 GB DDR4-2133 - that is not good for the gpu?

DDR4 that slow generally isn't great for the iGPU, though Bristol Ridge only supports DDR4-2400 at its best (barring bclk OC).

But it's not a new chip, right? It's just Excavator/Bulldozer?

It's Bristol Ridge, which is basically desktop Carrizo. So Excavator.

Wow, the iGPU is a Compute powerhouse vs the Kaveri.

The SP numbers aren't that hot - my 7870k is close to that. But the DP numbers are off the chain. Easily 10x what I got!

 

[ET]

One thing that bothered me in the MB manual was the HDMI max res: 4096 x 2160 @24HZ / 2560 x 1600 @60Hz. No 4K at 60Hz?

 

[LTC8K6]

I hope the AIDA64 core voltage is way off at 2.032 volts...

 

[hojnikb]

Any design wins for stoney ridge ? Other than a few laptops, can't really find motherboards or mini pcs using it.

 

[NostaSeronx]

Any design wins for stoney ridge ? Other than a few laptops, can't really find motherboards or mini pcs using it.

FP4 has won All-in-ones(desktops) from Lenevo/HP. FT4/AM4 desktops are the things you are looking for though, probably. Those launch with Raven Ridge apparently?

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Not related to above: There are plans to revist FX-4300, Athlon, 15h APUs...

Expectations:
- 22FDSOI (UHP-A / 12 BEOL + MIM)
- Ryzen 1100 -> FX/Athlon 1050(Quad-core) -> FX/Athlon 1000(Dual-core)
- Completely physical redesign for ultra low power instead of high performance.
- New architecture revision like K8L, f10m11h(K8L-10h fusion), f10m12h(Llano).
- Infinity Fabric replacing Garlic, Onion, Onion+, and Onion3.
- Vega GCN5 CUs replacing Tonga/Fiji GCN3 styled CUs.

 

[hojnikb]

FP4 has won All-in-ones(desktops) from Lenevo/HP. FT4/AM4 desktops are the things you are looking for though, probably. Those launch with Raven Ridge apparently?

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Not related to above: There are plans to revist FX-4300, Athlon, 15h APUs...

Expectations:
- 22FDSOI (UHP-A / 12 BEOL + MIM)
- Ryzen 1100 -> FX/Athlon 1050(Quad-core) -> FX/Athlon 1000(Dual-core)
- Completely physical redesign for ultra low power instead of high performance.
- New architecture revision like K8L, f10m11h(K8L-10h fusion), f10m12h(Llano).
- Infinity Fabric replacing Garlic, Onion, Onion+, and Onion3.
- Vega GCN5 CUs replacing Tonga/Fiji GCN3 styled CUs.

I'm thinking replacement for kabini motherboards (like the recently silly launch from biostar) but instead using stoney ridge as the cpu. Those would be perfect for cheap PCs and htpcs, because they feature native vp9/hevc 10 bit decoding and should offer better single thread performance compared to kabini

 

[dark zero]

FP4 has won All-in-ones(desktops) from Lenevo/HP. FT4/AM4 desktops are the things you are looking for though, probably. Those launch with Raven Ridge apparently?

====
Not related to above: There are plans to revist FX-4300, Athlon, 15h APUs...

Expectations:
- 22FDSOI (UHP-A / 12 BEOL + MIM)
- Ryzen 1100 -> FX/Athlon 1050(Quad-core) -> FX/Athlon 1000(Dual-core)
- Completely physical redesign for ultra low power instead of high performance.
- New architecture revision like K8L, f10m11h(K8L-10h fusion), f10m12h(Llano).
- Infinity Fabric replacing Garlic, Onion, Onion+, and Onion3.
- Vega GCN5 CUs replacing Tonga/Fiji GCN3 styled CUs.

So.. that is Zen Lite?

 

[NTMBK]

So.. that is Zen Lite?

It's made up, is what it is.

 

[NostaSeronx]

So.. that is Zen Lite?

No, it is Excavator-Lite or Excavator-Extreme Efficiency... 100W/65W APU(28A) -> 50W/35W APU(No BB/22FDX) -> 25W/19W APU(w/ BB) -> 15W/12W APU(w/ BB & Architecture Optimization).

=> USB 3.1 Gen 2 (Raven Ridge has this but 7th Gen 15h APUs don't.)
- Main reason why 22FDX for 8th Generation 15h APUs are likely.

0.4V to 0.5V in 22FDX APU vers. = 0.6v to 0.975v in Bristol Ridge/Stoney Ridge
0.5V to 0.7v in 22FDX APU vers. = 1.025v to 1.3975v in Bristol Ridge/Stoney Ridge
0.7v to 0.8v in 22FDX APU vers. = 1.4v to 1.55v in Bristol Ridge/Stoney Ridge

What I am trying to find as of right now is if the shrink would add cores;
8 core XV-L & 8 CUs(1024 32-bit ops) of VA-L for BR v22fdx
4 core XV-L & 3 CUs(384 32-bit ops) of VA-L for SR v22fdx

So, far though it appears to be just a pure direct shrink from GF28HPA to GF22UHP.
7th Generation 15h APUs = AM4, FP4, FT4
8th Generation 15h APUs = AM4?, FP5, FT5?

 

[dark zero]

No, it is Excavator-Lite or Excavator-Extreme Efficiency... 100W/65W APU(28A) -> 50W/35W APU(No BB/22FDX) -> 25W/19W APU(w/ BB) -> 15W/12W APU(w/ BB & Architecture Optimization).

=> USB 3.1 Gen 2 (Raven Ridge has this but 7th Gen 15h APUs don't.)
- Main reason why 22FDX for 8th Generation 15h APUs are likely.

0.4V to 0.5V in 22FDX APU vers. = 0.6v to 0.975v in Bristol Ridge/Stoney Ridge
0.5V to 0.7v in 22FDX APU vers. = 1.025v to 1.3975v in Bristol Ridge/Stoney Ridge
0.7v to 0.8v in 22FDX APU vers. = 1.4v to 1.55v in Bristol Ridge/Stoney Ridge

What I am trying to find as of right now is if the shrink would add cores;
8 core XV-L & 8 CUs(1024 32-bit ops) of VA-L for BR v22fdx
4 core XV-L & 3 CUs(384 32-bit ops) of VA-L for SR v22fdx

So, far though it appears to be just a pure direct shrink from GF28HPA to GF22UHP.
7th Generation 15h APUs = AM4, FP4, FT4
8th Generation 15h APUs = AM4?, FP5, FT5?

But... what is the purpouse of this gen? If even Stoney Ridge didn't appeared... unless it goes exclusively embedded

 

[DrMrLordX]

Prediction: with the possible exception of Stoney Ridge, there will be no 8th gen 15h APUs.

Raven Ridge renders everything else in the 15h stack obsolete.

 

[inf64]

But... what is the purpouse of this gen? If even Stoney Ridge didn't appeared... unless it goes exclusively embedded

Don't mind NostaSeronx guy, he still believes Bulldozer derivatives are alive and kicking inside AMD's super secret labs and Ryzen is just a stopgap before 22nm(yes you read that right,22nm) uber Xcavator++++ cores hit the market rendering everything else obsolete.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Oh I know. It's just kinda sad, that's all.

Or annoying on the off chance he's doing it as a persistent troll/parody effort.

 

[NostaSeronx]

But... what is the purpouse of this gen?

8th Gen 15h;
- Sub-120 in USD. (AMD Press management supports that they will continue to release low-cost 15h)
- Extended Embedded LTB/LTS looks good.
- UHP in ULP process, looks good and sells well.
- Higher yields from FDSOI+BB & shrink.

Basically, the Sempron of the upcoming generation.

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Unless, they add the 20LPM XV stuff into it. Which would make the 15h design faster than 17h. (15h = 15 pipeline stages/17h = 19 pipeline stages). 20LPM XV is the equivalent of SKX for Intel.

The above consequence is that the cores stay the same quantity. No 8c/4c for BR/SR successors.

 

[inf64]

Oh I know. It's just kinda sad, that's all.

Or annoying on the off chance he's doing it as a persistent troll/parody effort.

No, there is not such possibility. I really think he believes in that nonsense.

 

[NostaSeronx]

No, there is not such possibility. I really think he believes in that nonsense.

Sunnyvale 2010-2012:
- Ambitious derivative of Bulldozer...
- ...later to root cause competitive performance gaps. (Pretty sure this direct quote means to d

Boston Design Center (2004 - 2014):
- K9 Construction core(Bulldozer v0.3)- 90nm
- K10 Construction core(Bulldozer v0.7)- 65nm
- Bulldozer- 45nm
- Bulldozer/Piledriver- 32nm
- Steamroller A/Steamroller B/Excavator- 28nm

May 2013:
FP256 is added to AMD64 guides.

Sunnyvale 2013-2015:
- Aspen/K12 starts.
- Bulldozer returned to Boston.
- Aspen/K12 ends.

Boston Design Center (2015/2016-Present):
- NG Bulldozer starts @ Boston.
- (Late 2014) // 2004 Bulldozer Team Lead returns to AMD.
- (2016-Present) // Pre-silicon validation of Bulldozer family cores. ((seronx reacts: OH NO, how did I miss this?!))

Sunnyvale (2016-Present):
- NG Bulldozer starts @ Sunnyvale. // alludes to a new new generation core after Aspen/K12.

November 2013 v0.9 - 2016 Roadmap:
Merlin Falcon (28nm-15h) -> ---- (20nm-15h)
Peregrine Falcon (28nm-16h) -> ---- (20nm-15h)

Those two 20nm skus will later be stop-gapped by Bristol Ridge/Stoney Ridge Falconized skus. ((22FDX is placed by 20nm LPM as Advanced FDSOI: http://i.imgur.com/yrzjA0v.jpg)bb=0v)

Not once has Bulldozer ever been completely cancelled by AMD. http://semiaccurate.com/2012/11/19/amd-kills-off-big-cores-kaveri-steamroller-and-excavator/

It never dies, it will always haunt you, it hunts you, it will find you, and you will be ah darn AMD is doing 15h again.

Given AMD spokesperson and various other references...
- 15h is well and alive.
- It will target cheap SKUs. (Need to get a return on all that wasted effort on Aspen/K12)

 

[dark zero]

No, there is not such possibility. I really think he believes in that nonsense.

He already told that. Is embeeded only, so it has sense.

Also the Sempron route seems logic too, but only as soldered low budget mobos.

Bulldozer won't be on consumer anymore, but I doubt that they leave it dying like that. Maybe will suffer the destiny of Itanium.