AMD Budget CPUs

mustard010

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Hi.

When I first entered this forum in 2003... the hottest budget items came from AMD, namely, the Sempron line.

I'm trying to build a low budget DVR rig for my brother and wanted to know if AMD was the go-to processor for "cheap but good enough" for DVR recording for an HTPC.

Wanted to know if AMDs Phenom line was the "budget" processor of AMD.
 

Eureka

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Not really... Phenom IIs now go from dual-cores for cheap to the quad-cores for more power. The best way to save money is to get a dual core 250 or 550, and then a 750 southbridge motherboard to attempt to unlock it to a quad core. And if that fails you still have a very powerful dual-core.
 

Lean L

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I think the X2 might be the budget line now, not sure though, haven't checked. On another note, for something low power like that, it is much cheaper to pick up a prebuilt computer off ebay.
 

Fox5

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Athlon is now the budget line, Phenom is the top-end line.

But as to what you need...I dunno, it depends on your needs. Any modern cpu can handle standard def recording, but I'm assuming you're looking for HD. You may want to consider a triple or quad core phenom in that case, though encoding generally isn't time sensitive, and any dual core can handle decoding now with the right integrated graphics. What software are you planning to use? What sort of content?

Anyhow, for performance per watt, you'd want to look at AMD's 45nm cpus:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819103681
This is one of their new 45nm athlons.
Though if you want to go as cheap as possible, something from their 65nm energy efficient line might work, albeit substantially less powerful
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819103298

You cna get a 45nm phenom triple core for a bit more money:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819103648

AMD's energy efficient phenoms are quite a bit more money, but you should be able to undervolt the triple-core to save some power.

Intel still generally wins in performance per watt (not necessarily performance per dollar), and while their core 2's and i7s are great, the pentium's and especially the celerons can be a bit lacking compared to what AMD has in the same price range.
 

ShawnD1

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The problem with AMD is that their best deals are the Phenom 9600, Athlon II, and Phenom II. Those are all in the $100+ range which is arguably not what most people would call "budget".

Originally posted by: Fox5
Athlon is now the budget line, Phenom is the top-end line.
The old phenom might be considered budget as well. Newegg still sells the Phenom 9600 for $90. I can only get it to overclock to 2.6ghz, but it's still a damn good processor for that price. For the super cheap budget processors, Intel makes the best stuff. You can get an E5200 for $70 then overclock it to 3.5ghz or so.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the video card is really important. My HTPC uses an integrated Radeon 2100 (underclocked to 200mhz) and it handles 2000kb/s videos without issue. If you're going to be playing blu-ray movies, I would recommend looking at motherboards which feature better integrated video. IIRC, AMD's top offering right now is the integrated Radeon 3300.
 

yh125d

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Talk of AII, PHII, unlocking cores, totally not what OP is talking about. He's referring to extra low power requirement HTPC/DVR type stuff. For that type, the Celeron E1xxx line is fine for intel side at $50-60, And X2 XXXXe and Athlon LE line for AMD.
 

ShawnD1

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Originally posted by: yh125d
Talk of AII, PHII, unlocking cores, totally not what OP is talking about. He's referring to extra low power requirement HTPC/DVR type stuff. For that type, the Celeron E1xxx line is fine for intel side at $50-60, And X2 XXXXe and Athlon LE line for AMD.

Stay away from shitty processors. I was previously using a 1.8ghz Celeron (conroe) and it had some major issues. Even though task manager says the video playback is nowhere near 100% CPU, it still manages to have upwards of 10 seconds between the sound and the video. By that I mean I would hear what's going on but it wouldn't be on the screen until 10 seconds later. It doesn't do that on any of my good computers even though every computer in my house has the exact same software configuration.

It's not even worth building an HTPC if it's just going to suck. That PS3 fanboy friend that everybody has will make fun of you when your computer can't play blu-ray movies properly but his penis 3 can.
 

Fox5

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Originally posted by: ShawnD1
Originally posted by: yh125d
Talk of AII, PHII, unlocking cores, totally not what OP is talking about. He's referring to extra low power requirement HTPC/DVR type stuff. For that type, the Celeron E1xxx line is fine for intel side at $50-60, And X2 XXXXe and Athlon LE line for AMD.

Stay away from shitty processors. I was previously using a 1.8ghz Celeron (conroe) and it had some major issues. Even though task manager says the video playback is nowhere near 100% CPU, it still manages to have upwards of 10 seconds between the sound and the video. By that I mean I would hear what's going on but it wouldn't be on the screen until 10 seconds later. It doesn't do that on any of my good computers even though every computer in my house has the exact same software configuration.

It's not even worth building an HTPC if it's just going to suck. That PS3 fanboy friend that everybody has will make fun of you when your computer can't play blu-ray movies properly but his penis 3 can.

Celerons are a bad choice for an HTPC. No power management features, and their cut-down cache makes their performance stuttery and often quite poor. (same with the 256KB semprons)
The pentiums are better, but I think still lose to the dual core 45nm AMD chips in terms of price, even with overclocking taken into account.

However, I've got an old school phenom x3 in my HTPC because I picked it up for a steal. Before that I had a energy efficient X2 (2.3Ghz model I think) that's just sitting in its box now. The triple core phenom runs very cool under idle or even media playback, yet performs way better (can handle hd video, boots faster, etc) and can also run games adequately well now that I have it equipped with a GTS250. Granted my HTPC isn't ultra-tiny, but it's matx sized with decent power at a decent cost.

It is almost dead silent until I added in the video card (heatsink on the video card doesn't have a variable fan, I need to mod that somehow...or should have gone with a 4850). I have an Arctic Cooling Alpine 7 PWM (rated for up to 90 watts, but the triple core phenom can go a bit above that, and I have a feeling the included thermal paste on it has greatly worn down in efficiency) on the cpu, that is wholly inadequate for full load (like playing GTA4). However, I've got two Panasonic Panaflo fans on the rear of the case that are basically silent at full load and exhaust enough heat to keep it from overheating.

Anyhow, my HTPC is:
Phenom X3 8450 overclocked to 2.5Ghz
(I would have undervolted it instead, but my motherboard doesn't support that, so I figured the minimal heat increase from overclocking without raising voltage is worth it)
GTS 250
4GB DDR2 800
Slow 200GB old IDE hard drive I had laying around

My primary PC is:
Pentium E5200 overclocked to 3.33Ghz
Geforce 9800GTX+ (same card as the GTS 250)
8GB DDR2 800
1TB Seagate Barracuda

My primary PC feels faster (though I suspect the faster hard drive plays a big part in that), but the HTPC is more fun to use. It runs smoother, less stuttering both in general use and media playback (though adding the gts 250 over the integrated 8200 helped a big part in that) and is just a less frustrating experience. The two systems are similar in performance though, I'd consider swapping them if not for the full-sized ATX case my main PC uses, along with the gigantic 10.5" 9800GTX+.
 

mustard010

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Thank you all for your responses.

I have chosen the AMD Athlon 64 X2 5050e Brisbane 2.6GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache processor for $59.99.

A couple of your responses urged more questions so here goes:

1.) Someone mentioned HD encoding... the TV Tuner Card that I'm going to buy states that most of the processing is performed by the card. If this is so, do we still need a stronger CPU?

2.) I'm trying to minimize sound as much as possible without going overboard on price... what suggestions do you guys have? Solid State HDs? And I'm curious about the video card option--a responder stated that he uses Integrated Graphics. Is this advisable vs. a normal PCI-e video card?

Thanks
 

ShawnD1

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Originally posted by: mustard010
2.) I'm trying to minimize sound as much as possible without going overboard on price... what suggestions do you guys have? Solid State HDs? And I'm curious about the video card option--a responder stated that he uses Integrated Graphics. Is this advisable vs. a normal PCI-e video card?
I didn't mean to imply that integrated is better. What I mean to say is that integrated is usually good enough, but you should get the best integrated graphics possible. The integrated Radeon HD 3300 comes on motherboards that have a 790GX chipset. Another advantage with that chipset is that it supports AMD's Overdrive software so you can overclock or underclock the CPU in Windows without needing to restart the computer. Cheapest board like this on newegg is $85

Hard drives shouldn't be a sound problem. The computer I'm using right now has 5 old hard drives and they're nowhere near as loud as the case fans. If you want quiet, use a case with only 1 fan, enable AMD's cool & quiet feature in the bios, and enable automatic fan control in the bios. Another thing that will help is to undervolt the CPU as much as possible; this will reduce heat which then reduces the fan speed.
 

cusideabelincoln

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Originally posted by: mustard010
Thank you all for your responses.

I have chosen the AMD Athlon 64 X2 5050e Brisbane 2.6GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache processor for $59.99.

A couple of your responses urged more questions so here goes:

1.) Someone mentioned HD encoding... the TV Tuner Card that I'm going to buy states that most of the processing is performed by the card. If this is so, do we still need a stronger CPU?

2.) I'm trying to minimize sound as much as possible without going overboard on price... what suggestions do you guys have? Solid State HDs? And I'm curious about the video card option--a responder stated that he uses Integrated Graphics. Is this advisable vs. a normal PCI-e video card?

Thanks

1) The 5050e will be fast enough for the things you're doing. Another good option would be the Intel E5200 with an Nvidia Geforce 9300 socket LGA775 motherboard.

2) Integrated graphics will give you the lowest power consumption, and the AMD HD3200/3300 and Nvidia Geforce 9300 are fast enough to accelerate HD video content to help offload processing from the CPU. You could get a dedicated card if you wish, as one isn't really more advisable versus the other, but you don't need a dedicated card.
 
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