Right, Carrizo can adjust clockspeeds for iGPU and CPU dynamically to shift loads and stay within cTDP target. What it won't do is stay still for very long in changing workloads. It's quite a bit more sophisticated than Kaveri in that respect.
What would be truly interesting is if of these assh...oems built a carrizo ultra slim with 8gb of ddr4. That might create some buzz.
They dont want to upset Intel :whiste:
If the OEMs thought they could make the same or even more money by building AMD-based systems with the characteristics that monstercameron described, then why would they care about "upsetting" Intel?
Quite a few reasons top among them:
* Intel could reduce their advertising contribution for that OEMs products, i.e. no cash/rebate/discount for including "Intel Inside" + Intel audio trademark in their OEM advertising.
* Lower on the list for Intel allocation of products, other OEMs getting the in demand SKUs first and in larger quantities.
* Lose discounts and have rebates lowered or eliminated.
So OEMs would need to be confident AMD could keep delivering to make up for above business changes.
I would say all of them.Most of the 8700P products seem to be configured for a 15W TDP, sadly.
Most of the 8700P products seem to be configured for a 15W TDP, sadly.
I would say all of them.
Whether the Carrizo chip is 15W or 35W it costs the same.
So I wonder how much more a 35W laptop costs to make compared to a 15W laptop?
Or maybe with Intel using 28W for its processors these days it would be cheaper for an AMD OEM to step up to a modern 45W chassis (and use 42W cTDP for Carrizo)?
For that is better the new lower priced Core M.... Even with Pentium M is enough (if it had HT) or even a Core m3 is OKA 15W laptop is thinner, lighter and more attractive, and more likely to sell for a good price than the 35W laptop.
A 15W laptop is thinner, lighter and more attractive, and more likely to sell for a good price than the 35W laptop.
A 35W laptop can be thin. Look at Razor laptops. That's much more TDP. What it really is is that it ****s up the segmentation OEMs have carved out, though in Carrizo's case, it's not as efficient by a long shot. Customers are stupid and ignorant. Why would I buy a gimped GPU that's hardly better than the iGPU? Why would i pay a premium to have the U core i7? Why would I keep paying the same price for the battery to get smaller and smaller, etc.?
Yes, but the Razor is a premium product, what 2000.00 or thereabouts?
i hardly think it would cost much more. The Razer isn't even liquid cooling then factor in that it's a much higher TDP than a 35W APU.So they can afford to put in a robust cooling system. Carizzo is not, so OEMs want the cheapest, easiest to produce device possible.
I'm not referring to that. Of course there are much more non-gamers who who would rather have a more efficient processor. However, there's still a market obviously otherwise I wouldn't see all these stupid weak GPU setups. They put mostly only stupid weak GPUs in the non-gaming segment because again, segmentation.On top of that, even at 35 watts, carizzo would be a compromised solution for gaming, with more gpu than a non-gamer needs and modest cpu performance.
Whether the Carrizo chip is 15W or 35W it costs the same.
So I wonder how much more a 35W laptop costs to make compared to a 15W laptop?
Or maybe with Intel using 28W for its processors these days it would be cheaper for an AMD OEM to step up to a modern 45W chassis (and use 42W cTDP for Carrizo)?
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Yes, but the Razor is a premium product, what 2000.00 or thereabouts? So they can afford to put in a robust cooling system. Carizzo is not, so OEMs want the cheapest, easiest to produce device possible.
When I chose the bios setting it runs at a fixed 1.4ghz with no fluctuation. I will run some games and check the cpu clock soon. interestingly the cpu does clock higher with the bios setting.
As the the power setting, I tried the option in catalyst which you can choose a range of clock speeds. With the bios setting on dynamic clocking it will ignore the setting in catalyst and clock even upto 3+ghz. Maybe if I could modify the lowest p-state and static clock mode this could work but there are no tools I know of that can do this.
Sometimes OEMs do a pretty questionable job of figuring out where to cut corners. In the case of Carrizo, it really does need a cooling solution suitable for a 35W TDP rating, so that's one area where they should not be cutting corners, unless they just want it to be stuck in the 2.1 GHz range with 400-500 MHz iGPU clocks most of the time.
Sometimes OEMs do a pretty questionable job of figuring out where to cut corners. In the case of Carrizo, it really does need a cooling solution suitable for a 35W TDP rating, so that's one area where they should not be cutting corners, unless they just want it to be stuck in the 2.1 GHz range with 400-500 MHz iGPU clocks most of the time.
For 35W, maybe having a better fan design (with standard low profile copper heatsink and aluminum finned area) would help immensely.
Or maybe an OEM could even use two smaller netbook size fans side by side instead of one medium size fan for a 35W set-up with single aluminum finned area. Then when temperatures increase the second netbook size fan (further along the length of the heatpipe) kicks in.
Then for 42W boost (on AC power), perhaps provisions could be made for removing the battery so the chassis could receive extra ventilation.