AMD Carrizo Pre-release thread

[jpiniero]

Those Carrizo and Carrizo-L laptops seemed kind of expensive, even though I didn't look that thoroughly at the specs.

 

[Abwx]

This with 19% VAT.

Agree that the Carrizo-L are priced heftily but at the same time there s no competition from Intel in this segment, Cherry trail is well below Carrizo L perfs wise without any perf/watt advantage..

 

[dark zero]

This with 19% VAT.

Agree that the Carrizo-L are priced heftily but at the same time there s no competition from Intel in this segment, Cherry trail is well below Carrizo L perfs wise without any perf/watt advantage..

Errr... Cherry Trail is even below Bay Trail and even AMD Mullins or VIA Quad Core on performance.... even if iGPU is better, is not so much due the poor CPU performance....

Maybe Apolo Lake/ Goldmont will change it.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Errr... Cherry Trail is even below Bay Trail and even AMD Mullins or VIA Quad Core on performance.... even if iGPU is better, is not so much due the poor CPU performance....

Maybe Apolo Lake/ Goldmont will change it.

Bay Trail/Braswell basically torched AMD's entire low end APU business, so while they weren't great for traditional mobile, they did well in low cost PCs.

 

[Abwx]

Bay Trail/Braswell basically torched AMD's entire low end APU business, so while they weren't great for traditional mobile, they did well in low cost PCs.

Thanks to what amount to a massive bribery..

Technicaly Intel s low end is not competitive, even Cherry trail is still below AMD s Mullins in perf/watt, go check the reviews of thoses "6W" chips that are measured at 10-11W in benches.

 

[Abwx]

Errr... Cherry Trail is even below Bay Trail and even AMD Mullins or VIA Quad Core on performance.... even if iGPU is better, is not so much due the poor CPU performance....

Maybe Apolo Lake/ Goldmont will change it.

Even on GPU Mullins is still better, Intel s GPU has actualy very poor perf/Watt, that s all the problem of their chip and the reason why it consume well over its rated TDP particularly on GPU intensive usage.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Bay Trail/Braswell basically torched AMD's entire low end APU business, so while they weren't great for traditional mobile, they did well in low cost PCs.

I would say more accurately that they "sold reasonably well". I think Atom (or Kabini for that matter) is a very poor solution for anything larger than a tablet.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Thanks to what amount to a massive bribery..

Not in PCs. Intel sold Bay Trail and is selling Cherry Trail in PCs at high margins, no contra-revenue required.

 

[Abwx]

Not in PCs. Intel sold Bay Trail and is selling Cherry Trail in PCs at high margins, no contra-revenue required.

They wouldnt have sold at all, prove is that the inventories are still plentifull, actualy not that much were used in tablets as hinted by Intel s negligible market share in this segment.

I wont insist on this point but i guess that this disaster of a strategy is the reason why Renée James (likely the inspirator of this anti competive scheme) will soon be ousted from Intel.

By handicapping AMD they just shot themselves in the foot as this failed tactic was a gift for the ARM camp as not only they got the most competitive X86 offering being eliminated from their market of choice, but Intel has proved incapable to improve their own offereings while the ARM camp got the necessary time to launch their new offsprings...

I would say more accurately that they "sold reasonably well". I think Atom (or Kabini for that matter) is a very poor solution for anything larger than a tablet.

Beema/Mullins is not Atom, the former can compete with the lowest grade SKLs and CZs perf wise while beating them in perf/Watt, believe it or not, otherwise OEMs wouldnt have raised the prices comparatively to the previous Beema 6xxx offerings.

The Carrizo-Ls laptops :

https://geizhals.de/?cat=nb&xf=6749_14#xf_top

The Beema ones :

https://geizhals.de/?cat=nb&xf=6749_10#xf_top

Notice that these are the same chips as CZ-L.

For infos the Cherry trail/Braswell based laptops, not exactly cheap given the perfs :

https://geizhals.de/?cat=nb&xf=6750_11#xf_top

 

[tricky_layups]

Lenovo Y700 laptop with Carrizo FX8800P 35W - $800
Save $100. This is the only 35W Carrizo that I know of.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-15-6-laptop-amd-fx-series-8gb-memory-1tb-hard-drive-black/4577800.p?id=1219774252427&skuId=4577800

http://lenovolearning.bhivesoft.com/bhive/t/1004/course_launch_frame.jsp?id=8544

35W FX 8800P
R9 M385 dGPU
1920x1080 IPS
1TB 5400RPM. There is an unused M.2 slot for your favorite SSD.
8GB DDR3L 1600 dual channel
back lit keyboard
Windows 10

 

[monstercameron]

Just drop the mgpu and the TB hdd with a 256gb ssd and we are good...le sigh.

 

[DrMrLordX]

y700 is indeed a 35w cTDP unit, though the VRMs are allegedly underbuilt and will cause some undesirable throttling behavior. And yeah, the dGPU + 1 tb spindle drive are not market-friendly. That smacks of "we had stuff in the warehouse and are looking for ways to get rid of it" if you asked me.

 

[dark zero]

Is better that Lenovo launches the Y500 with the 35W FX/A10 without dGPU and they will have a chance there.

 

[fourdegrees11]

Well I decided to pick up a cheap A10-8700p laptop to replace my current i7 Q720 based dinosaur that struggles with web browsers

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834298841

Will look into if adding an ssd is possible. Looking forward to being able to play some games on my laptop.

 

[monstercameron]

Well I decided to pick up a cheap A10-8700p laptop to replace my current i7 Q720 based dinosaur that struggles with web browsers

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834298841

Will look into if adding an ssd is possible. Looking forward to being able to play some games on my laptop.

good stuff man, enjoy your carrizo! update us on how it goes.

 

[LTC8K6]

Well I decided to pick up a cheap A10-8700p laptop to replace my current i7 Q720 based dinosaur that struggles with web browsers

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834298841

Will look into if adding an ssd is possible. Looking forward to being able to play some games on my laptop.

Seems odd that the 720Q would struggle with a web browser, though.

 

[fourdegrees11]

Seems odd that the 720Q would struggle with a web browser, though.

I think my laptop is just dying, it's old.

 

[Abwx]

A 8600P based Lenovo laptop, standard configuration but a few interesting features.

CPU: AMD A8-8600P, 4x 1.60GHz • RAM: 4GB DDR3 • Festplatte: 500GB HDD • optisches Laufwerk: DVD+/-RW DL • Grafik: AMD Radeon R6 (IGP), HDMI, VGA • Display: 15.6", 1366x768, non-glare • Anschlüsse: 3x USB 3.0, Gb LAN • Wireless: WLAN 802.11a/b/g/n/ac, Bluetooth 4.0 • Cardreader: SD/SDHC/SDXC/MMC • Webcam: 0.9 Megapixel, Intel RealSense • Betriebssystem: Windows 7 Professional 64bit (vorinstalliert) inkl. Windows 10 Pro 64bit • Akku: Li-Ionen, 6 Zellen, 6.5h Laufzeit • Gewicht: 2.40kg •

https://geizhals.de/?cat=nb&xf=6749_13&sort=p

 

[dark zero]

Bay Trail/Braswell basically torched AMD's entire low end APU business, so while they weren't great for traditional mobile, they did well in low cost PCs.

Errr... Braswell is destroying the whole low cost PC, Laptop and Tablets altogether due their own stupidity and very retarded performance (worse than even Celeron Dual Core)

To make it worse, the retardness from the OEMs on putting BT or CT over BW or SKL U or even better, H tiers on laptops is just making people stop buying low tier machines...

Until now I didn't saw any Celeron or Pentium H or U on any laptop, except one lucky Pentium 3825 U...

 

[Abwx]

Lenovo Y700 has freesync for some models

http://www.computerbase.de/2015-12/amd-radeon-support-fuer-hdr-und-4k-displays-mit-120-hz-ab-2016/

 

[monstercameron]

crap, it looks like ama buy another laptop...maybe ill just use it as a desktop replacement. Its a nerf on the cpu but a jump on the gpu. I'll stop buy bb amd check it out.

 

[jhu]

I can't find a 13.3" or smaller with Carrizo for <$500. Everything seems to be 15.6" or larger. Why do people like this size???

 

[TurtleCrusher]

I can't find a 13.3" or smaller with Carrizo for <$500. Everything seems to be 15.6" or larger. Why do people like this size???

For a laptop I prefer 11-13". 15.6 is bulky. The laptop I just gave my parents (Inspiron 1737/17.3"/2.5 Core 2/ Radeon 3650) is a thick desktop replacement and they love the extra screen space.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Seems odd that the 720Q would struggle with a web browser, though.

That's what I was thinking. First-gen i7, true quad-core, is not "slow". Maybe needs the cooling fans / vents cleaned? New thermal paste? Re-install OS? Add SSD?

 

[Blitzvogel]

I can't find a 13.3" or smaller with Carrizo for <$500. Everything seems to be 15.6" or larger. Why do people like this size???

It along with the 17.3" size is a sweet spot for price/performance, regardless of bulkiness. I haven't had a 15.6" laptop since 2009, but I will say that I sort of miss it. I currently have an 11.6" Lenovo Yoga 2. The screen is just too small and the form factor is way to thermally limited (passively cooled) which means poopy performance. They say it's an i3 inside, but it performs like a ****ing Atom since it hardly ever touches 1.5 GHz.

Almost any 15.6" machine out there will have a fan inside and not be throttling the processor so badly (in theory).