AMD Carrizo Pre-release thread

[AtenRa]

Lets wait for the official Carrizo release first and then we can see if AMD will release it for the desktop or not.

 

[Phynaz]

Lets wait for the official Carrizo release first and then we can see if AMD will release it for the desktop or not.

AMD's word isn't good enough for you?

 

[ShintaiDK]

AMD's word isn't good enough for you?

Its just the mandatory 5 stages of grief.

 

[CHADBOGA]

They posted a link to a Kitguru article (http://www.kitguru.net/laptops/note...-carrizo-based-laptop-prototypes-at-ces-2015/) with this line: "Previously it was reported that the “Carrizo” APUs will not make it to mainstream and high-performance desktops, but will be aimed at notebooks and all-in-one PCs."

Thanks

 

[mrmt]

AMD's word isn't good enough for you?

NDA matters.

 

[Shehriazad]

NDA matters.

If AMD themselves post a link to a news post where AMD allegedly said that Desktop Carrizo is not a thing...and other sites are reporting it as well...

then we can assume that NDA is not what matters...but that AMD simply can't (or wants to) put that part in their budget.

 

[AtenRa]

AMD's word isn't good enough for you?

There is an official AMD response with no Desktop Carrizo that i dont know ??

 

[Shehriazad]

There is an official AMD response with no Desktop Carrizo that i dont know ??

"Previously it was reported that the “Carrizo” APUs will not make it to mainstream and high-performance desktops, but will be aimed at notebooks and all-in-one PCs."

They posted a link to a newspost (via their official Facebook) that said just this...that is about as official as you can have it from AMD. They wouldn't mindlessly drop such a bomb.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Relax folks...this is the same thing Intel is doing with Broadwell...

 

[Sweepr]

So BGA counts as ''desktop'' now? It sure didn't back when Kaveri was being compared to Haswell GT3e.

 

[Gideon]

Another article:

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...arrizo-l-are-both-28nm-mobile-only-processors

And also confirmed by AMD it seems.

You deem worth mentionning the post of what looks to be a rabid anti AMD shill.?.

Shill ? Might just be, but perhaps just point out where he was wrong, instead of personal attacks ? 2 years ago I also shared the views in those rumors (pro AMD anti Intel) and i'm at least willing to admit, that i was wrong. Even if I don' enjoy the truth, other than lash out or attack the messenger.

I can't understand why people here do that. I've been on this forum for more than 10 years (if i include Lurker time) and rarely speak, but I've always been an AMD/ATi supporter from the Athlon XP, and Vanilla Radeon days. Then you could quite often at least cheer them for actually making the best products in the world. While on GPU side it has happened later as well then not really on the CPU side ...

 

[Maxima1]

Relax folks...this is the same thing Intel is doing with Broadwell...

Skylake comes for desktop before mobile, so it's not that far.

Enjoy the Kaveri refresh! XD

 

[Phynaz]

There is an official AMD response with no Desktop Carrizo that i dont know ??

So AMD telling reporters at CES isn't official? Posts to AMD's Facebook page aren't official?

Just what are you looking for before you will be convinced? A press release? Companies generally don't issue press releases for things that don't happen.

Did AMD ever issue a press release when Falcon was cancelled? How about Swift?

 

[Phynaz]

Another article:

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...arrizo-l-are-both-28nm-mobile-only-processors

And also confirmed by AMD it seems.



Shill ? Might just be, but perhaps just point out where he was wrong, instead of personal attacks ? 2 years ago I also shared the views in those rumors (pro AMD anti Intel) and i'm at least willing to admit, that i was wrong. Even if I don' enjoy the truth, other than lash out or attack the messenger.

I can't understand why people here do that. I've been on this forum for more than 10 years (if i include Lurker time) and rarely speak, but I've always been an AMD/ATi supporter from the Athlon XP, and Vanilla Radeon days. Then you could quite often at least cheer them for actually making the best products in the world. While on GPU side it has happened later as well then not really on the CPU side ...

Just report him please. He needs to learn to stop being insulting in the tech areas of the forum.

 

[maarten12100]

It makes sense for AMD to hint at a worst case for desktop. I mean they are quiet about AM3+ for a reason and that is because they don't want to get lower sales. From a business point of view saying you have a new chip ready for desktop makes no sense. Even if you have it (which for Carrizo is doubtful) you'd want to not say and thus hint at it not existing. That way you can sell old stock.

Money makes the business world go round.

 

[Phynaz]

I mean they are quiet about AM3+ for a reason and that is because they don't want to get lower sales. From a business point of view saying you have a new chip ready for desktop makes no sense. Even if you have it (which for Carrizo is doubtful) you'd want to not say and thus hint at it not existing. That way you can sell old stock.

Money makes the business world go round.

This is called the Osborne Effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect

They aren't being quiet about it though. They are saying no Carrezo for desktop except for SFF.

 

[ShintaiDK]

It makes sense for AMD to hint at a worst case for desktop. I mean they are quiet about AM3+ for a reason and that is because they don't want to get lower sales. From a business point of view saying you have a new chip ready for desktop makes no sense. Even if you have it (which for Carrizo is doubtful) you'd want to not say and thus hint at it not existing. That way you can sell old stock.

Money makes the business world go round.

People just flock to the company that does have new shiny things.

They are quiet about AM3+ because its dead. And FM2+ joined the ranks.

 

[AtenRa]

So AMD telling reporters at CES isn't official?

Where is the article that AMD OFFICIALLY said to reporters no Carrizo for Desktop ??

Posts to AMD's Facebook page aren't official?

They posted a kitguru article, i havent seen a AMD rep saying no Carrizo for the desktop.

Just what are you looking for before you will be convinced? A press release? Companies generally don't issue press releases for things that don't happen.

Did AMD ever issue a press release when Falcon was cancelled? How about Swift?

An AMD Rep saying no Carrizo for desktop, but before official Carrizo release there will be no such claim if true from any AMD rep because of NDAs.

 

[AtenRa]

People just flock to the company that does have new shiny things.

They are quiet about AM3+ because its dead. And FM2+ joined the ranks.

Are you the one who was telling us no more AM3+ CPUs after FX8350 ?? :whiste:
More FUD declaring FM2+ dead before even Carrizo officially released.

 

[formulav8]

Stinks if no desktop options. I was going to buy a Kaveri cpu if I could upgrade later to Carrizo. Not sure now....

 

[formulav8]

Are you the one who was telling us no more AM3+ CPUs after FX8350 ?? :whiste:
More FUD declaring FM2+ dead before even Carrizo officially released.

Is he the one that assured everyone AMD would not be in any consoles, nor APUs and such? Can't remember.

 

[maarten12100]

Are you the one who was telling us no more AM3+ CPUs after FX8350 ?? :whiste:
More FUD declaring FM2+ dead before even Carrizo officially released.

AM3+ is a true dead platform all it will get is better gated piledriver chips. While I'm not sure whether Carrizo will make it to desktop I'm positive that we can't state it as facts until AMD says it will be that way. Since there is still that 3.5GHz figure along with the gpu bandwidth starvation decrease and perhaps some IPC gains. (old slides listed Excavator as greater performance) I think AMD might be making these into desktop chips.

The reason for this would be because there is little cost for AMD to do so as they already have the silicon. Perhaps in February when AMD talks about Carrizo/Excavator it might give us an insight of how likely it is to come to desktop. Clock targets above 3.5GHz would make it a possible good desktop product. (if it has substantial ipc and gpu perf increases)

 

[Alatar]

Are you the one who was telling us no more AM3+ CPUs after FX8350 ?? :whiste:

No more AM3+ CPUs after the 8350 is pretty much what happened though.

Unless you want to argue that the clock speed bumps for (9000 series) and the more mature process for the E CPUs counts. And it doesn't. Everyone knows that when people refer to new CPUs they're talking about actual new chips. Not just new SKUs based on the old stuff.

Also this is coming from someone who owns both iterations of the crosshair V formula as well as an 8320, 8350 and a 9370.

 

[Phynaz]

Where is the article that AMD OFFICIALLY said to reporters no Carrizo for Desktop ??

See my original post about the subject.

Next you are going to say that Scott Wasson was not actually at CES and didn't talk to AMD.

They posted a kitguru article, i havent seen a AMD rep saying no Carrizo for the desktop.

Why would AMD would publish a link to a false article about Carrezo?

Again, when did an AMD representative ever say there was no Falcon?

We know you are emotionally invested in AMD, but Jeez. AMD isn't going to personally inform you.

 

[Phynaz]

No more AM3+ CPUs after the 8350 is pretty much what happened though.

Unless you want to argue that the clock speed bumps for (9000 series) and the more mature process for the E CPUs counts. And it doesn't. Everyone knows that when people refer to new CPUs they're talking about actual new chips. Not just new SKUs based on the old stuff.

Also this is coming from someone who owns both iterations of the crosshair V formula as well as an 8320, 8350 and a 9370.

Exactly. Binning existing chips doesn't make it a new CPU.