AMD Carrizo Pre-release thread

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maarten12100

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See my original post about the subject.

Next you are going to say that Scott Wasson was not actually at CES and didn't talk to AMD.



Why would AMD would publish a link to a false article about Carrezo?

Again, when did an AMD representative ever say there was no Falcon?

We know you are emotionally invested in AMD, but Jeez. AMD isn't going to personally inform you.
Posting a link to that article doesn't mean they say that it is now a fact and that that is how things will go down. It very well may be that way but you're talking before your turn if you state it is already factual.

February is where it is at.
 

mrmt

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I'm positive that we can't state it as facts until AMD says it will be that way.

It's supposed to be the other way around: We weren't supposed to assume that there will be a desktop chip if AMD didn't talk to us about it, and AMD is doing just that, not talking about a desktop chip while talking about a mobile chip.
 

mrmt

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Posting a link to that article doesn't mean they say that it is now a fact and that that is how things will go down.

Sorry, it does. That's PR 101, an amateurish mistake even for AMD's subpar PR standards. Stop being in denial.
 
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Where is the article that AMD OFFICIALLY said to reporters no Carrizo for Desktop ??




They posted a kitguru article, i havent seen a AMD rep saying no Carrizo for the desktop.



An AMD Rep saying no Carrizo for desktop, but before official Carrizo release there will be no such claim if true from any AMD rep because of NDAs.

Carrizo is BGA only and can be used in all-in-one PCs, just like the BGA Haswell and Broadwell chips. If you don't believe anybody here, just contact AMD yourself.
 

maarten12100

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It's supposed to be the other way around: We weren't supposed to assume that there will be a desktop chip if AMD didn't talk to us about it, and AMD is doing just that, not talking about a desktop chip while talking about a mobile chip.
There is just one problem with that statement and that is that AMD slides showed a FM2+ Carrizo for 2015.


Sorry, it does. That's PR 101, an amateurish mistake even for AMD's subpar PR standards. Stop being in denial.
It's not denial until proven fact that AMD will not release a desktop part. And you know it perfectly well.

Carrizo is BGA only and can be used in all-in-one PCs, just like the BGA Haswell and Broadwell chips. If you don't believe anybody here, just contact AMD yourself.
I did that twice and they didn't respond to my email. Really unprofessional. They ask for feedback yet when you give it being it on their drivers or whatever they don't even want to respond. They can get their feedback somewhere else if they don't even have the freaking courtesy to respond.
 

erunion

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It's not denial until proven fact that AMD will not release a desktop part. And you know it perfectly well.

You just demanded someone proves a negative.

Its like saying: Unicorns exist until someone proves that they don't.

That's not how "facts" work, and you've already been told that in this thread.
 

maarten12100

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I think the point is that they cancelled the socketed Carrizo to save money.
Quite possible though it would mean that Carrizo can't clock high enough when not capped on power. It costs very little when silicon is done maybe it isn't competitive in the market or something

You just demanded someone proves a negative.

Its like saying: Unicorns exist until someone proves that they don't.

That's not how "facts" work, and you've already been told that in this thread.
Can I be in denial about something that is not confirmed yet?
If it turns out to release on desktop I wouldn't have been in denial would I? Because the thing I expected happened. (the real question is do I actually expect it... the answer would probably be no)

On the other hand if it turned out there was no Carrizo release on desktop then if I actually believed there would be one I would be in denial. Can you still handle these "If I actually was convinced about there being" statements?

Also Unicorns may exist gotta keep an open mind. :ninja: (applied physics student)
 
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Shehriazad

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Sure..no one would mind seeing Carrizo actually appear on Desktop...but when AMD themselves point to articles by 3rd parties that state that Desktop isn't happening.... then that seems pretty conclusive.

I'll see if they will bother to make a Kaveri refresh...maybe even an updated Athlon 800K cherry pick with high clocks? Who knows.

But that's as far as I am willing to think for now.
 

NTMBK

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Shehriazad

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Now all I need is an Athlon 890K Kaveri refresh to make me happy again. (baseclock 4.5GHZ) xD

Nah...just kidding.

If Carrizo happens to be acceptable enough I might grab one of those ultrathin notebooks...but the price has to be right.

Let's see if AMD can deliver ANYTHING there.
 

NostaSeronx

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AMD confirm that Carrizo is BGA only
There is a LGA socket coming in the later half of the year.

The parts shipping right now and that will be available June/July 2015 are only BGA. October/Novemeber 2015 for LGA versions of Carrizo/Carrizo-L/Carrizo-E.
 

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There is a LGA socket coming in the later half of the year.

The parts shipping right now and that will be available June/July 2015 are only BGA. October/Novemeber 2015 for LGA versions of Carrizo/Carrizo-L/Carrizo-E.

Source? Never heard anything like this before, and I've been looking for info.

AMD has no 2015 desktop roadmap, yet here we are.
Why are shareholders, etc letting them get away with this? It seems insane to me.


This is the latest info I have found (from here at AT):

AMD’s Carrizo not on the Desktop? Depends What You Define as Desktop
by Ian Cutress on January 13, 2015 5:20 AM EST

The Tech Report mentions a single line to the claim: ‘AMD has no plans to offer Carrizo as a socketed chip for desktop PCs’. We reached out to AMD for some form of confirmation or explanation as to this line, because it felt kind of odd. With a well-positioned launch, with enough SKUs in enough markets to cater up and down the price range, AMD could re-launch the APU line with the latest architecture updates for the better. We received the following response from AMD’s James Prior:

“With regards to your specific question, we expect Carrizo will be seen in BGA form factor desktops designs from our OEM partners. The Carrizo project was focused on thermally constrained form factors, which is where you'll see the big differences in performance and other experiences that consumers value.”

There’s no direct denial of socketed Carrizo based parts here, but all arrows point to BGA desktops, such as all-in-ones and mini-PCs (the high-end segment for Broadwell-U). We have seen at least one socketed part, when AMD launched its Carrizo video:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8871/...he-desktop-depends-what-you-define-as-desktop
 

Soulkeeper

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I was looking forward to a carrizo desktop release.
If it was on fm2+ I already had a motherboard picked out ...

What a shame if they don't ever release desktop chips again.
Although i'd like to see 6 or 8 core options, something more than 1MB of cache/core would be nice too.
 

Erenhardt

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There is a LGA socket coming in the later half of the year.

The parts shipping right now and that will be available June/July 2015 are only BGA. October/Novemeber 2015 for LGA versions of Carrizo/Carrizo-L/Carrizo-E.

There is no source. NostaSeronx tends to make things up on the go.

Yep. Next thing you know someone will claim there will be no APU in PS4

Even jaguar (soc) was released with its own socket... cmon.

Mobile first. At least they didn't make the mistake rushing desktop.

Some people seem to be unhappy thou, as they will have no shi.. dirt to throw around.
 
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Has anybody here ever played a game of Monopoly? You know how by the end it's usually one very strong player with more money and assets than what he/she knows what to do with, and a very weak player that has been selling houses/property just to stave off the inevitable for as long as possible?

That's what the Intel/AMD battle looks like at this point.
 

monstercameron

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Has anybody here ever played a game of Monopoly? You know how by the end it's usually one very strong player with more money and assets than what he/she knows what to do with, and a very weak player that has been selling houses/property just to stave off the inevitable for as long as possible?

That's what the Intel/AMD battle looks like at this point.

except, there is a third player in that scenario...the government.
 
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Shehriazad

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Not once in my life did I buy an Intel CPU for myself...not because I hate Intel or love AMD...but simply because whenever I happened to be buying new parts..at that time AMD had the better offer for whatever segment I was buying.

That's the only reason why I hate to see AMD drown like that...sentimental value I guess.
But unless Zen is magically some killer chip (which I will just doubt for now since AMD is lacking assets for that)...my next CPU is Intel for sure.

Carrizo drifting off into mobile only(yea yea BGA, too), FX being dead since 2012 (not counting those rebrands), FM2+ only having one chip....bleak future indeed.
I guess I'll have to hop aboard the Intel train in 2016 for lack of alternatives...t' was a nice ride AMD

Carrizo was kind of a naive hope of mine that it would be a decent chip to gain market share again...but their laptop and tablet marketing is usually super terrible...so I already don't see Carrizo ending up being a major thing. Would be nice if they could recoup the cost of the chip, I guess.
 
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Phynaz

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Where is the article that AMD OFFICIALLY said to reporters no Carrizo for Desktop ??




They posted a kitguru article, i havent seen a AMD rep saying no Carrizo for the desktop.



An AMD Rep saying no Carrizo for desktop, but before official Carrizo release there will be no such claim if true from any AMD rep because of NDAs.

You've stopped arguing, the AT article finally convince you?
 
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