AMD Carrizo Pre-release thread

[AtenRa]

That is from the same link,

The kicker is that the discount is offered only for Intel-based tablets

I have no idea if this is legit or not.

 

[mrmt]

now this is kinda interesting, i wonder what kinda deal intel had to make to get this?
http://tabtec.com/windows/heres-microsoft-actually-prices-windows-8-1-bing/

how is amd expected to compete with this?

What makes you think that those are Intel exclusive prices?

 

[Phynaz]

now this is kinda interesting, i wonder what kinda deal intel had to make to get this?
http://tabtec.com/windows/heres-microsoft-actually-prices-windows-8-1-bing/

how is amd expected to compete with this?

Source article says nothing about it being Intel only.
Check sources guys!

 

[monstercameron]

What makes you think that those are Intel exclusive prices?

the source article makes mention of intel-based tablets.

According to Microsoft OEM pricing information -- a screen capture of which is embedded above in this post -- Windows 8.1 with Bing is listed at $10 per copy for "small" Intel-based tablets under nine inches in screen size. But after a "configuration discount," of $10, OEMs get that SKU for those tablets for free. For tablets with screen sizes of smaller (not greater, as I originally mistyped) than or equal to 10.1 inches, the Windows 8.1 with Bing SKU is listed at $25 per copy, with the same $10 "configuration discount," resulting in a $15 per copy cost for OEMs.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-much-does-microsoft-make-from-pc-makers-with-windows-8-1/

 

[NTMBK]

the source article makes mention of intel-based tablets.


http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-much-does-microsoft-make-from-pc-makers-with-windows-8-1/

Are we sure that MJ wasn't just using "Intel based" to mean "x86", to contrast it with ARM based tablets like the Surface RT?

 

[monstercameron]

Are we sure that MJ wasn't just using "Intel based" to mean "x86", to contrast it with ARM based tablets like the Surface RT?

maybe. then again it isn't as if she is new to this arena, I assume she would know better.

you might me right. https://twitter.com/monstercameron/status/557591158788866049

 

[ElFenix]

If 4-channel memory is unnecessary can't you just populate two channels?

yeah but it makes the boards expensive.

 

[ph2000]

Are we sure that MJ wasn't just using "Intel based" to mean "x86", to contrast it with ARM based tablets like the Surface RT?

why differentiate ?
is there a need to promote x86 more ?

 

[maarten12100]

Source article says nothing about it being Intel only.
Check sources guys!

...you do know that AMD could get those prices too, right? It's "Bing for Tablets", not "Bing for Bay Trail". :\

The kicker is that the discount is offered only for Intel-based tablets, and this might be the reason why most OEMs rely on Intel’s chipsets, and why Windows slates powered by AMD’s application processors are almost nonexistent.

I rest my case :sneaky:

 

[xthetenth]

The article is based on a ZDNet article which says it's based on an image which doesn't contain the word Intel. The cited source, which is that screencap doesn't have the word Intel anywhere. The context of the word Intel is thus unclear whether it's Intel only, x86, or Intel as an example of x86 pricing. Gotta follow the sourcing chain for stuff like that.

Considering that the big reason to encourage making devices with windows Intel also applies to other x86, it seems that the latter two options are distinct possibilities.

 

[erunion]

why differentiate ?
is there a need to promote x86 more ?

Why do you assume x86 is promoted more? RT is probably free to any oem willing to take it(which is none)

 

[xthetenth]

I wouldn't be surprised if they consider x86 much more saleable because "is a windows computer if you need it to be" is a pretty good sales point for a tablet/convertible even if it doesn't get used a bunch and are focusing harder on promoting it for that reason.

 

[cbn]

No way is this bd derivative compettitive here by a long stretch so why bother? That goes for sr as well as excavator. (snip)
Its just added cost for amd and they would even be thermally restrained !

If it is cheap enough to produce, then it would work for me and most likely a lot of other people as well. And I can't imagine a hexcore SR with small iGPU being thermally constrained on FM2+.

 

[ph2000]

Why do you assume x86 is promoted more? RT is probably free to any oem willing to take it(which is none)

that is if we assume "configuration option" is about x86 or arm
then x86 option is subsidized more

 

[cbn]

I echo the sentiment that a 3M or 4M Steamroller (or Excavator, but seriously, I think it would be more work for them to put together a chip like that) on FM2+ would be great for people who are looking for more modules and to replace FX. It's just that it may be too late in the product design cycle for them to roll out something like that unless it's already in the works.

There is also the question of whether or not they have the financial resources to produce a stop-gap solution like that to carry them to the Zen launch.

If Zen ends up being a primarily "optimized for mobile" cpu design (or is late) then I hope AMD has taken (or is taking) precautions to keep desktop alive.

And by alive, I mean not only having good (by AMD standards) desktop cpu performance, but also having a relatively small die size as well (relative to the cpu). This way AMD has a better cost structure and can keep it going for a relatively long period (if needed).

 

[cbn]

Any updates on Carrizo-L? (I did a search in this thread for "Carrizo-L" but it ended up being too non-specific).

What size iGPU do folks expect that one will have? (Since Carrizo-L is sharing the same BGA socket as Carrizo I am wondering if AMD increased iGPU size or not relative to AM1?)

 

[erunion]

that is if we assume "configuration option" is about x86 or arm
then x86 option is subsidized more

The article explained what the configuration discount was.

You're really stretching here. There is zero chance that Microsoft is "subsidizing" x86 more than RT. x86 makes money, RT doesn't.

 

[ph2000]

The article explained what the configuration discount was.

You're really stretching here. There is zero chance that Microsoft is "subsidizing" x86 more than RT. x86 makes money, RT doesn't.

i was replying to NTMBK comment

personally i dont see any reason for MS to subsidized x86 more than RT
since for MS as long as it windows, they would make money

 

[Killrose]

What if Carrizo for the desktop is going to require a totally different socket and AMD knows this? Do you think they are going to reveal this info and kill a large part of their current market of FM2 and AM3+ customers who would rather hold off buying A10 and FX processors waiting for the next great thing?

Just a thought

 

[jpiniero]

What if Carrizo for the desktop is going to require a totally different socket and AMD knows this? Do you think they are going to reveal this info and kill a large part of their current market of FM2 and AM3+ customers who would rather hold off buying A10 and FX processors waiting for the next great thing?

Just a thought

Still think it's a victim of the budget cuts. If they can't even do a 65 W BGA model, perhaps there are max clock speed issues as well.

 

[mrmt]

You're really stretching here. There is zero chance that Microsoft is "subsidizing" x86 more than RT. x86 makes money, RT doesn't.

I think Microsoft will change their business model in the future, more focused towards subscription services like Office 365 than with licensing revenue like acquiring new windows.

Microsoft needs to change their platform business model, and they won't be able to gather partners for it if most of their user base is stuck into old, crusty versions of their software. Windows XP was a wake up call for them, and Windows 7 has all the potential to become an even worse migration nightmare for them.

IMO Windows on ARM is toast, because the only reason for someone to accept Microsoft total control and asinine UI design is if someone needs Windows software, and they are mostly x86 software. The "touch" user has already moved to Apple or Android.

 

[burninatortech4]

If it is cheap enough to produce, then it would work for me and most likely a lot of other people as well. And I can't imagine a hexcore SR with small iGPU being thermally constrained on FM2+.

It won't be cheap to produce or R&D, especially given the temporal context right now. Unless AMD starting planning a chip like that a long time ago there is no way it's going to happen. R&D and the engineering required is a long process. Starting from the drawing board now doesn't make any sense either.

It's unfortunate seeing FM2+ being abandoned so fast for new products (Carrizo ect.) Maybe we'll see some interesting Kaveri refreshes but I doubt one of them will be a 3 module SR. R&D, cost issues aside, it would undercut their FX line and the benefits of a mature, albeit uncompetitive, process.

 

[AtenRa]

What if Carrizo for the desktop is going to require a totally different socket and AMD knows this? Do you think they are going to reveal this info and kill a large part of their current market of FM2 and AM3+ customers who would rather hold off buying A10 and FX processors waiting for the next great thing?

Just a thought

I dont think so,

I believe Desktop Carrizo will be released 6 months after Mobile Carrizo, which is the exact opposite that happened with Kaveri. Remember Desktop Kaveri was released in January 2014 with Mobile Kaveri released 6 months later in June 2014.

 

[Kuiva maa]

I dont think so,

I believe Desktop Carrizo will be released 6 months after Mobile Carrizo, which is the exact opposite that happened with Kaveri. Remember Desktop Kaveri was released in January 2014 with Mobile Kaveri released 6 months later in June 2014.

I expect something like that as well. AMD did not flat out denied that Carrizo will hit the desktop, their wording sounded to me as If they carefully blurred the waters in order to get rid of inventory.

 

[erunion]

IMO Windows on ARM is toast, because the only reason for someone to accept Microsoft total control and asinine UI design is if someone needs Windows software, and they are mostly x86 software. The "touch" user has already moved to Apple or Android.

MS recently relieved that windows RT tablets (eg surface 2) will not get windows 10. So Windows RT is officially dead.

But MS just can't escape bad branding. Windows Phone will be rebranded simply Windows 10. But contrary to previous rumors it seems little changed from windows phone 8.1(from what they've shown so far).