AMD Carrizo Pre-release thread

[mrmt]

I thought I'd read that was kinda the deal with the old FX line from the start, it was midrange i5 money (or less) and wasn't toooo far off it performance wise most times, and was even able to punch above it's weight class at some i7's depending on the app, at the expense of some heat and power.

FX was i5 money for less than i5 performance on average, i3 performance in some apps like games and i7 performance in a few things like rendering and compilling, that at the expense of *a lot* more power and consequently heat. And don't forget the ancient platform. It was from the start a really bad proposition for the general case and one that just got worse with the time, you would have to really ponder whether the FX was your cup of tea. If you use more of the best case scenarios for the FX then you would find great value on the processor, if you don't, you'd end up with a dog.

It's more or less the same case with the A series except that you also have to factor in the big iGPU and the platform is not ancient. I think for a non-SFF HTPC the APUs are great value. If you want a low value workstation with professional drivers APUs are great too, but stray too much from these scenarios and you are likely to have more value for your money elsewhere.

 

[NTMBK]

We already have a dedicated thread about why APUs have failed on the market- can we not take the smack talk over there instead? :\

 

[Ramses]

Speaking as a guy that has used an FX for several years and is about to order an i7 just to see how the other half has been living, I must use ALL the best case scenario lol...

 

[monstercameron]

hory sheeeet, AMD just hit $3.00 and is still climbing.

 

[NTMBK]

hory sheeeet, AMD just hit $3.00 and is still climbing.

Nobody debunked that acquisition rumour then?

 

[Arachnotronic]

Nobody debunked that acquisition rumour then?

Acquisition rumor + Barron's piece claiming that AMD is going to gain share in enterprise PCs & dGPUs is probably driving this run up.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Acquisition rumor + Barron's piece claiming that AMD is going to gain share in enterprise PCs & dGPUs is probably driving this run up.

What product is going to see them gain share in enterprise PC's?

 

[frozentundra123456]

maybe beema/mullins if they can sell them cheap enough?

 

[sm625]

It's more likely this is simply a quest to buy up junk. Someone got hold of a massive chunk of fed funny money and is deciding to buy up all the trash. It happens around major market tops as certain players start doing really stupid things in a desperate grab for returns. All of the "most shorted" stocks are enjoying their largest rally in more than a year, relative to the broader market. FTR is another example of trash floating to the top.

 

[monstercameron]

maybe beema/mullins if they can sell them cheap enough?

beema and mullins would most likely be in the embedded space and they have gotten into qnap nas system and fitlet mini pcs. It's a start.

 

[Arachnotronic]

What product is going to see them gain share in enterprise PC's?

I don't actually believe that AMD will gain share in enterprise PCs. AMD claims to have won a number of designs there, but design wins -- without actual sell-through -- is totally meaningless.

 

[ShintaiDK]

http://investorplace.com/2015/02/th...s-and-general-motors-company-gm/#.VNO6JU10wuU

Seems someone is just toying with AMDs stock.

 

[monstercameron]

now this is interesting, http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Ballis...&keywords=ddr4
8GB ddr4 2400 for ~$90

AMD make a gosh darn quad channel kaveri already!

 

[Lepton87]

What ever float your boat man, compare them to Kabini if you like.

For those that want to be correct, one module should be compared against one SMT Core.

Edit: If you want to compare true Quads, like Phenom II or Core i5 then you should compare 4 Modules with single Core each.

No, that's not how we should compare them. We should compare CPUs that have similar price tags unless we want to compare architectures but that's a purely academic endeavor so why are you advocating this?

 

[coercitiv]

No, that's not how we should compare them. We should compare CPUs that have similar price tags

Kaveri A10 prices are at i3 level, while A8 prices are between Pentium and i3.

 

[Lepton87]

Kaveri A10 prices are at i3 level, while A8 prices are between Pentium and i3.

Then those are the products that should be compared regardless of the number of cores, SMT or CMT differences etc.
Your point?

 

[coercitiv]

Then those are the products that should be compared regardless of the number of cores, SMT or CMT differences etc.
Your point?

My point exactly.

 

[AtenRa]

No, that's not how we should compare them. We should compare CPUs that have similar price tags unless we want to compare architectures but that's a purely academic endeavor so why are you advocating this?

Why dont you read what was the conversation first and then make a comment ???
He was comparing a Quad Core Phenom II 980 to a Dual Module Quad Core CMT, not current products at the same price.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Kaveri A10 prices are at i3 level, while A8 prices are between Pentium and i3.

True, but A10-7850k prices are within about 30 to 40 dollars of a locked i5 as well. So I dont think including those for comparison is too much of a stretch either. (Those are current new-egg prices.)

 

[Ramses]

I'd call a stretch over 15% or thereabouts. Pricing software deals in a lot finer grain but 15% is reasonable on the consumer end imo.

 

[coercitiv]

True, but A10-7850k prices are within about 30 to 40 dollars of a locked i5 as well. So I dont think including those for comparison is too much of a stretch either. (Those are current new-egg prices.)

Going by this logic we should also compare i3 to i5.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Going by this logic we should also compare i3 to i5.

Of course. Why not? And an i3 would not necessarily lose. Just depends on the workload. If you dont do a lot of multithreaded work, the i3 will give you more clockspeed for the dollar, while the i5 is the obvious choice for uses that can take advantage of the threads.

 

[Abwx]

I don't actually believe that AMD will gain share in enterprise PCs. AMD claims to have won a number of designs there, but design wins -- without actual sell-through -- is totally meaningless.

Enterprises PCs are gearing toward AIOs and Carrizo fit perfectly this purpose, with a tweaked 28nm and given Intel s difficulties to have an efficient 14nm it should be quite competitive according to the already known numbers.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Enterprises PCs are gearing toward AIOs and Carrizo fit perfectly this purpose, with a tweaked 28nm and given Intel s difficulties to have an efficient 14nm it should be quite competitive according to the already known numbers.

We'll see, but I doubt it.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Enterprises PCs are gearing toward AIOs and Carrizo fit perfectly this purpose, with a tweaked 28nm and given Intel s difficulties to have an efficient 14nm it should be quite competitive according to the already known numbers.

22nm already trumps AMD's 28nm. Any improvement 14nm brings is just piling it on. And do you have any source for the enterprise segment moving to AIOs? That is news to me.