AMD Carrizo Pre-release thread

[dark zero]

Nope, AMD is no way competitive even against Nehalem Intel.
And interesting enough Hasswell Intel is competitive against Skylake.

 

[CHADBOGA]

and that is your opinion.

It is also the opinion of the OEM's and their opinion on Carrizo will mean much more than yours or mine.

 

[monstercameron]

It is also the opinion of the OEM's and their opinion on Carrizo will mean much more than yours or mine.

Firstly, the oem response has yet to be seen so maybe try not to misrepresent the situation with your beliefs. Carizzo is literally not available yet, maybe you can say all this in the carrizo release thread.

 

[monstercameron]

Nope, AMD is no way competitive even against Nehalem Intel.
And interesting enough Hasswell Intel is competitive against Skylake.

Yes because Intel still produces nahalem based skus for mobile that compete with carrizo, please stay on topic or start another AMD flamebait thread elsewhere. This is a carrizo and related thread, keep it there.

 

[IntelUser2000]

That is why the Carrizo boosters are running up hard against reality.

Carrizo is fine for what it is. They may be even close in some departments.

The problem is... it does not really exist outside of some demo systems and shoddily configured laptops.

 

[ShintaiDK]

nope, they are competitive.

Not in the eyes of the buyers. The metrics the buyers goes after they are terrible in.

 

[dark zero]

Not in the eyes of the buyers. The metrics the buyers goes after they are terrible in.

Most OEM accepts even the Celeron N before any Intel or AMD chip. They alienated the audience to use trash instead to something decent

 

[mrmt]

Firstly, the oem response has yet to be seen so maybe try not to misrepresent the situation with your beliefs. Carizzo is literally not available yet, maybe you can say all this in the carrizo release thread.

OEMs are supposed to be ramping up inventory in order to get stocked to back-to-school. Do you think that shunning Carrizo this time of the year, effectively excluding it from back-to-school sales isn't a measure of their interest? I think it is *the* most important measure of interest they could demonstrate.

 

[monstercameron]

OEMs are supposed to be ramping up inventory in order to get stocked to back-to-school. Do you think that shunning Carrizo this time of the year, effectively excluding it from back-to-school sales isn't a measure of their interest? I think it is *the* most important measure of interest they could demonstrate.

Are you saying that AMD hasn't sold a single carrizo apu? do you know how many they have shipped? These speculations of doom are beyond annoying.

 

[dark zero]

Are you saying that AMD hasn't sold a single carrizo apu? do you know how many they have shipped? These speculations of doom are beyond annoying.

Actually they sold enough Carrizo-L, but not the other one who seems to be a dissaster from AMD and maybe few hundreds were sold.

 

[mrmt]

Are you saying that AMD hasn't sold a single carrizo apu? do you know how many they have shipped? These speculations of doom are beyond annoying.

Maybe you should read what AMD has to say about the subject:

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9MjgwMjQ4fENoaWxkSUQ9LTF8VHlwZT0z&t=1

(...)

Computing and Graphics segment revenue was $379 million, down 29% sequentially, primarily due to decreased sales to OEMs of our client notebook processors, due to a weak consumer PC market.

(...)

Computing and Graphics operating loss was $147 million, compared to an operating loss of $75 million in Q1 2015, primarily due to lower notebook processor sales

So while we can't say that AMD didn't sell a single Carrizo chip, as you are implying that I said, we surely can say that Carrizo isn't improving AMD situation on the mobile market and we continue to see precipitous drops in mobile market share, which is what AMD is saying on their financial statements.

Ed: Oh, and you should look at the Q&A transcript, where Lisa Su says that she doesn't envision Carrizo becoming a growth engine. Maybe you should write her asking to stop her doom speculations too.

 

[dark zero]

I am starting to doubt that AMD sold any Carrizo chip besides the ES

 

[Dresdenboy]

Given AMD track record and AMD latest financial numbers, what should Engineer/Scientist logic dictates as the most probable cause for Carrizo mediocre sales on the notebook market:

1) OEMs committing harakiri and shunning what is a very good product from AMD.

2) A mediocre product, only good on AMD powerpoint slides and in cherry picked benchmarks, unlikely to compete with Intel offers on performance and cost structure.

I wait your answer.

First some accusations of lies to soneone, now this. It's the same story again. Your behaviour is very interesting.

But about you I'm in the same situation as with Carrizo's success with OEMs. With that little information at hand, it's neither scientific to propose such hypotheses out of thin air, nor is it possible to test them. Since we talked about Geekbench, do you want to say in 2), that AMD cherrypicked them? I never considered the results on the slides here.

I could answer with the help of a coin.

 

[mrmt]

But about you I'm in the same situation as with Carrizo's success with OEMs. With that little information at hand, it's neither scientific to propose such hypotheses out of thin air, nor is it possible to test them.

No, we're not. We have AMD financials showing another plunge in mobile sales after Carrizo launch, and we have Lisa Su saying she doesn't expect growth from notebooks.

 

[Abwx]

Only in certain metrics that you concentrate on, but not the metrics you completely ignore.

Hollow statement, what are thoses metrics that you apparently have difficulties to point..?..

Carrizo is better than Core M , in perfs and perfs/watt at 15W, so what is your "important" metric..?.

Anyway i like how a lot of suspect are just posting blank statements as arguments, i posted perf/Watt numbers, contradicts thoses if you can, you and all people in this thread that support your unsubstancied claims.

Not in the eyes of the buyers. The metrics the buyers goes after they are terrible in.

Same as above, name thoses metrics or stop derailing this thread with unsubstancied claims...

 

[Abwx]

Are you saying that AMD hasn't sold a single carrizo apu? do you know how many they have shipped? These speculations of doom are beyond annoying.

You can see by the huge amount of pollution in this thread that there s quite some desesperation for a certain brand supporters, rarely i saw so much trash spread in a thread, that s all straws, obvious lies and deliberate deffamation of AMD s Carrizo under the guise of expressing an opinion....

 

[Abwx]

I could answer with the help of a coin.

And you would still be right 50% of the times when some others, that set the coin always on the same side, will be wrong 100% of the time...

 

[ShintaiDK]

Hollow statement, what are thoses metrics that you apparently have difficulties to point..?..

Carrizo is better than Core M , in perfs and perfs/watt at 15W, so what is your "important" metric..?.

Anyway i like how a lot of suspect are just posting blank statements as arguments, i posted perf/Watt numbers, contradicts thoses if you can, you and all people in this thread that support your unsubstancied claims.

Same as above, name thoses metrics or stop derailing this thread with unsubstancied claims...

Carrizo isnt better than Core M, not even better than U. Thats simply something you make up. Just like you like to compare top bin 35W Carrizo performance with the lowest bin 15W U, and then claim Carrizo is better at 15W.

You know exactly those metrics. AMDs sales numbers says it all.

Seriously, who do you think you fool besides yourself? Even AMD dont believe in growth from Carrizo.

 

[AtenRa]

No, we're not. We have AMD financials showing another plunge in mobile sales after Carrizo launch, and we have Lisa Su saying she doesn't expect growth from notebooks.

Intel Q2 2015

Year-on-Year Comparisons

•
Client Computing Group had revenue of $7.5B, down 14% with platform volumes down 10% and platform average selling prices down 3%. Desktop platform volumes were down 22% and desktop platform average selling prices were up 6%.
Notebook platform volumes were down 11% and notebook platform average selling prices were down 2%. Tablet volumes were up 11% and average selling prices were up.

So according to you, OEMs doesnt want Intels Broadwell as well

 

[Abwx]

Carrizo isnt better than Core M, not even better than U. Thats simply something you make up. Just like you like to compare top bin 35W Carrizo performance with the lowest bin 15W U, and then claim Carrizo is better at 15W.

You have no shame lying, i gave number at 15W for both designs and you know it but if it s not enough here AGAIN the CB11.5 scores at 15W, it is 1.95 for Core M and 2.4 for Carrizo, now try to contradict me with something else than deffamation....

Edit : You are the third member that used this lie as argument, perhaps you want me to give you the link of the posts where i rebuked them so you can join them in a club of the bad faithers..??.

You know exactly those metrics. AMDs sales numbers says it all.

Lol, like the rest of your answers, you cant name those metric since this is just fud, no wonder that you are eluding the question, now can we have a technical debate without your constant thread derailing..??..

The problem is... it does not really exist outside of some demo systems and shoddily configured laptops.

You pointed this in another thread, i answer here for both...

You surely noticed that the whole chain is sitting on increased inventories due to the market shrinking those past quarters, see Atenra post above as exemple..

So logically everybody is currently dumping previous productions before outing new products that would keep current inventories to be sold rapidly if the formers were to be released that early, Beema based laptops for instance can be found at 250€ in Europe even with the higher binned 6410 and 6310 APUs....

Also i posted this in the other thread, you shouldnt have missed it in principle :

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37568426&postcount=1705

 

[maarten12100]

Are you sure that it s bottom of the barrel or did you just board the usual urban legend bandwaggon..??..

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37568426&postcount=1705

I read an article about the Carrizo version not getting premium screen etc etc so I assumed it would have to be horrible or at least not as good as the Intel version despite maybe performing better at a certain set power consumption.

 

[monstercameron]

I read an article about the Carrizo version not getting premium screen etc etc so I assumed it would have to be horrible or at least not as good as the Intel version despite maybe performing better at a certain set power consumption.

Yeah the HP envy has this weird issue, they will not sell the HD screen without the top spec apu and a gpu...which is just annoying. No ssd option and older WiFi chipsets.

 

[Abwx]

@Abwx I can see how #4 on the endnotes is true because my fx7500 will eat ~40W! gaming. At first I thought it was win10 due to its beta state but it is definetely just kaveri. so that is a massive jump in efficiency.

That s 80% better efficency for the whole laptop in gaming, the comparison is technicaly relevant as the two chips should work at comparable frequencies in this test.

Btw, what is your power comsumption with CB 11.5..?.

Carrizo for instance drain 15W at 2.35GHz for a score of 2.4, this should increase a laptop idling power by 20W at most.

I read an article about the Carrizo version not getting premium screen etc etc so I assumed it would have to be horrible or at least not as good as the Intel version despite maybe performing better at a certain set power consumption.

In the Toshiba offerings i linked the Intel chip still get the higher grade screen in the upper segment, but at least 1080p is available with the FX8800P albeit at hefty pricing given the segment.

Likely that HP will use such screen only in the pricey EliteBook series, I dont see them keeping Kaveri in this line in light of Carrizo huge improvement.

 

[dark zero]

In the Toshiba offerings i linked the Intel chip still get the higher grade screen in the upper segment, but at least 1080p is available with the FX8800P albeit at hefty pricing given the segment.

Likely that HP will use such screen only in the pricey EliteBook series, I dont see them keeping Kaveri in this line in light of Carrizo huge improvement.

Actually... seeing the link even more detailed... to get that highest grade screen, you are forced to buy it with a dGPU (nVIDIA GTX960 and beyond), making them expensive for the normal people.

 

[monstercameron]

That s 80% better efficency for the whole laptop in gaming, the comparison is technicaly relevant as the two chips should work at comparable frequencies in this test.

Btw, what is your power comsumption with CB 11.5..?.

Carrizo for instance drain 15W at 2.35GHz for a score of 2.4, this should increase a laptop idling power by 20W at most.



In the Toshiba offerings i linked the Intel chip still get the higher grade screen in the upper segment, but at least 1080p is available with the FX8800P albeit at hefty pricing given the segment.

Likely that HP will use such screen only in the pricey EliteBook series, I dont see them keeping Kaveri in this line in light of Carrizo huge improvement.

When I get off work I'll post a video, just cinebench r11.5?