AMD Carrizo Pre-release thread

[Abwx]

Thanks for the link. It contains more interesting information. E.g. look at the huge differences in some 3DMark subscores. That guy here possibly tested on battery power w/o dual graphics kicking in.

And there are lots of signs pointing at different posters. Only the country is the same. Different environment, photography style, dirtiness, benchmark results, etc. If you look closely at CPU-Z, you'll see different RAM manufacturers.

Just look at the Extremepcs "NB-15AB030AX". I don't know any model of the human mind explaining such differences in behaviour.

Didnt think about the possibility of being on battery, there will be some tests here and there by some people given that it s already on sale, we ll soon have an idea..

As for iGPU tests the laptop has a single 8GB RAM stick, not a bad idea from HP on a consumer point of view since increasing RAM is cheaper this way.

http://www.extremepc.in.th/review-hp-pavilion-nb-15ab030ax-amd-a10-8700p/

 

[Phynaz]

Single channel memory in a platform that's already bandwidth constrained with dual channel memory.

Please AMD, have some balls and set some minimum standards for your partners. Without them AMD will remain in the craptop catagory.

 

[maarten12100]

Didnt think about the possibility of being on battery, there will be some tests here and there by some people given that it s already on sale, we ll soon have an idea..

As for iGPU tests the laptop has a single 8GB RAM stick, not a bad idea from HP on a consumer point of view since increasing RAM is cheaper this way.

http://www.extremepc.in.th/review-hp-pavilion-nb-15ab030ax-amd-a10-8700p/

Pretty poor results I know these are thermal throttling/low power settings but jeez that single core score.

As for the increasing ram is cheaper this way that is probably true for HP. The consumer wouldn't bother upgrading it because taking apart those HP pavilions is a huge pain. You have to remove all the screws including 2 under the bottom pads, 1 under a sticker and 3 under the dvd drive. Then you have to pry apart the case without snaping the plastic keyboard/mouse assembly in 2.

After upgrading all those steps have to be repeated in reserve hoping that the pads will still stick.

 

[mrmt]

Single channel memory in a platform that's already bandwidth constrained with dual channel memory.

Please AMD, have some balls and set some minimum standards for your partners. Without them AMD will remain in the craptop catagory.

They already got to via-levels of revenue, but they went to a smaller than via gross margins, so if they were to put even more restriction for the oems still willing to buy from them.

 

[mikk]

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Carrizo-im-Test-Was-leistet-AMDs-A10-8700P.147092.0.html

Load power up to 40W. Most Broadwell-U notebooks from notebookcheck were measured with slightly over 30W.

 

[dark zero]

AMD is screwed up. Has nothing to show and it's game over for them. Even Mobile can't compete in.

BTW seems that after Skylake, NVIDIA is the next to leave the market thanks to retarded OEMS

 

[Abwx]

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Carrizo-im-Test-Was-leistet-AMDs-A10-8700P.147092.0.html

Load power up to 40W. Most Broadwell-U notebooks from notebookcheck were measured with slightly over 30W.

You mean the ones with small screens and without dGPU..?.

• AMD A10-8700P
• 2x 4 GB DDR3L-1600
• Radeon R6 (integriert) + Radeon R7 M360 (dediziert), Treiber 15.100.1020.1004
• 1.000-GB-Festplatte (5.400 U/min)
• 17,3" Full-HD-Display (1.920 x 1.080 Pixel), matt
• Windows 8.1 64 Bit

I knew some usual suspects would run without even fully reading the review, first post of yours since this review and already completely irrelevant comparisons and statements, is it a surprise..??

And about power :

Damit bestätigt sich unsere Vermutung, dass HP die TDP des A10-8700P im Pavilion 17 auf 15 Watt begrenzt hat.

You need a translation..?. i think that you missed it, like the rest of the review..

AMD is screwed up. Has nothing to show and it's game over for them. Even Mobile can't compete in.

BTW seems that after Skylake, NVIDIA is the next to leave the market thanks to retarded OEMS

What is screwed definitly is you capacity to be critical, you just jumped on the first post that displayed an incompetent analysis and took it at face value to post yet another useless post.

 

[dark zero]

You mean the ones with small screens and without dGPU..?.



I knew some usual suspects would run without even fully reading the review, first post of yours since this review and already completely irrelevant comparisons and statements, is it a surprise..??



What is screwed definitly is you capacity to be critical, you just jumped on the first post that displayed an incompetent analysis and took it at face value to post yet another useless post.

Nope, just checked their performance on Windows 8 and it's a True dissaster. Nothing to show there.

If their performance on Windows 10 is still poor, AMD had nothing to do. BTW Broadwell is not excuse to move from Haswell M tier.

 

[Snafuh]

Nope, just checked their performance on Windows 8 and it's a True dissaster. Nothing to show there.

If their performance on Windows 10 is still poor, AMD had nothing to do. BTW Broadwell is not excuse to move from Haswell M tier.

The 10-8700P in the HP Pavilion 17-g054ng is a 15W APU and competes with Intels 15W i3 Broadwells. The GPU is stronger than the HD5500 in an i5 but unfortunately it's held back by the CPU @15W. How do you call this a disaster? Because it can't compete with Intels latest i7 CPUs?

 

[AtenRa]

heh,

People are getting desperate and trying to FUD Carizzo in every way they can, anywhere they can.

 

[Abwx]

The 10-8700P in the HP Pavilion 17-g054ng is a 15W APU and competes with Intels 15W i3 Broadwells. The GPU is stronger than the HD5500 in an i5 but unfortunately it's held back by the CPU @15W. How do you call this a disaster? Because it can't compete with Intels latest i7 CPUs?

A disaster for Intel actualy, even the i7 are not enough, they ll have to ressort to underclocked 4C/4T if they want to be competitive for the CPU part.

For the GPU they can do nothing as their uarch is less efficient and this completely anihilate any process advantage that is anyway marginal at low powers.

The only substancial advantage was lower leakage, and this now completely obliterated by Carrizo, that was this higher leakage that handicapped Kaveri in mobile.

 

[geoxile]

Any new laptops announced yet?

 

[Abwx]

So according to NBC the A8-7410, wich is some A8-6410 with 10% higher frequency, cant perform Cinebench 11.5 at more than 1.6GHz.

I wonder why they dont even realise that something is wrong and that they should check the things further, but no, they publish the results as if they were indiscutable.

Anyway quite an infamous "review", they should have rather named it Trollen und Benchmarks...

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Analys...MD-Carrizo-L-Notebook-Plattform.147072.0.html

 

[Abwx]

NBC posted two screenshots, boths show the 7410 being at 1.6GHz in both MT and ST tests, yet the ST score imply that it was ran at 2.4Ghz.

ST and MT screenshots below from same link as above, only 3mn difference between the two screensshots, notice the scene :

That s made up screenshots.

 

[dark zero]

So according to NBC the A8-7410, wich is some A8-6410 with 10% higher frequency, cant perform Cinebench 11.5 at more than 1.6GHz.

I wonder why they dont even realise that something is wrong and that they should check the things further, but no, they publish the results as if they were indiscutable.

Anyway quite an infamous "review", they should have rather named it Trollen und Benchmarks...

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Analys...MD-Carrizo-L-Notebook-Plattform.147072.0.html

That is a massive dissaster then.... even Carrizo-L didn't managed to beat Beema?

Also... isn't the A8 managing to run up to 2.5 Ghz?

 

[Abwx]

That is a massive dissaster then.... even Carrizo-L didn't managed to beat Beema?

Massive disaster is for NBC credibility and supposed ability to performs reliable measurements, perhaps that s why they also posted this in the same page :

Jobs

Wir erweitern unser Team und suchen engagierte Redakteure mit besonderen Kenntnissen im Bereich mobiler Technologien.

• CPU/GPU-Spezialist(in)

Also... isn't the A8 managing to run up to 2.5 Ghz?

It does so in their Cinebench R15 test in ST and 2.2 in MT according to the scores, thats why i m questionning their Cinebench 11.5 MT results..

 

[el etro]

ST performance is good.

 

[mikk]

I wonder why they dont even realise that something is wrong

They did.

and that they should check the things further, but no, they publish the results as if they were indiscutable.

This is the right way, they test notebooks out of the box. This is what a customer gets. And they have to publish it as fast as possible to possibly warn potential customers. They even asked Toshiba why their Turbo implementation doesn't work well.

Anyway quite an infamous "review", they should have rather named it Trollen und Benchmarks...

Yes your prefer to blame the poor tester instead of AMD or OEM who is responsible of the Turbo, manufacturing and configuration. Not working Turbo, blame the tester lol. AMD chronically suffered from a poor Turbo in the last years, it is most likely their own fault.

NBC posted two screenshots, boths show the 7410 being at 1.6GHz in both MT and ST tests, yet the ST score imply that it was ran at 2.4Ghz.

Why do you think the score implies constant 2.4 Ghz? Their clarification sounds plausible. You also seems to have missed that the Turbo sporadically went up to 2.4-2.5 Ghz, but most of the time it was running at 1.6 Ghz especially in MT.

 

[maarten12100]

That HP laptop is complete junk who's idea was it to use a dgpu that adds like 25W and in dual graphics gives a 30% perf boost. Are they complete idiots why not just use just Carrizo maybe in it's full form. It's cheaper and better that way.

Tonga's efficiency is a joke and so is dual graphics for now. The fact that that HP Scrapbook performs less than half of the Dirt Rally fps in high preset compared to what was shown with fx-8800p + dgpu notebook means that this laptop is a complete and utter failure. CPU throttled to 1.3GHz holding everything back because it's sharing it's power budget with the gpu which is throttled to either 400MHz or runs 600MHz. Really why does HP think that would work.

I have no words for it so glad I didn't give HP money. Worse yet if Acer, Asus and Toshiba fail to deliver I won't buy Carrizo at all.

Lowest idle power 4W not sure whether it's high because of the screen. But that is bad that is actually not better than Beema bad mkay.

 

[Dresdenboy]

Single channel memory in a platform that's already bandwidth constrained with dual channel memory.

Please AMD, have some balls and set some minimum standards for your partners. Without them AMD will remain in the craptop catagory.

There are configs (even in HP docs) mentioning 2 channels.

As there are dGPUs inside, I wonder, how single channel affects the overall performance. W/o dGPU a dual channel setting improves GPU scores by 30%.

 

[Dresdenboy]

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Carrizo-im-Test-Was-leistet-AMDs-A10-8700P.147092.0.html

Load power up to 40W. Most Broadwell-U notebooks from notebookcheck were measured with slightly over 30W.

You're right. I gave the check 5 minutes and this is the result:
Take the CPU review
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Intel-Core-i5-5300U-Notebook-Prozessor.127287.0.html
and check all NBC tests listed below w/o dGPU (a random sample of 8 NBC tests):
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Dell-Latitude-12-E7250-Ultrabook.135450.0.html 40.4W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Update-Dell-Latitude-E5550-Broadwell-Notebook.135030.0.html 43.5W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Dell-Latitude-14-E7450-Ultrabook.134752.0.html 29.6W (bursts of 40W reported - inconsistent max reporting)
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Fujitsu-Lifebook-S935-Subnotebook.141410.0.html 34.3W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Fujitsu-LifeBook-T935-Convertible.141650.0.html 38W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Fujitsu-LifeBook-U745-Ultrabook.141231.0.html 44.4W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Lenovo-Thinkpad-L450-Notebook.140004.0.html 42.4W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Lenovo-ThinkPad-X1-Carbon-Early-2015-Ultrabook.138982.0.html 39W

 

[Abwx]

They did. .

why is the CB R15 score in line with the APU official frequency..?..

All scores suggest that the CB11.5 test is not accurate, but keep on desperatly holding whatever branch you can hold while falling...

As for a first product out the box being representaive i d advice you to get back to the relevant thread and checks your posts about the Yoga 3, although Carrizo does much much better on its first apparition than what did your beloved brand, you dont agree..???.

 

[mikk]

You're right. I gave the check 5 minutes and this is the result:
Take the CPU review
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Intel-Core-i5-5300U-Notebook-Prozessor.127287.0.html
and check all NBC tests listed below w/o dGPU (a random sample of 8 NBC tests):
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Dell-Latitude-12-E7250-Ultrabook.135450.0.html 40.4W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Update-Dell-Latitude-E5550-Broadwell-Notebook.135030.0.html 43.5W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Dell-Latitude-14-E7450-Ultrabook.134752.0.html 29.6W (bursts of 40W reported - inconsistent max reporting)
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Fujitsu-Lifebook-S935-Subnotebook.141410.0.html 34.3W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Fujitsu-LifeBook-T935-Convertible.141650.0.html 38W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Fujitsu-LifeBook-U745-Ultrabook.141231.0.html 44.4W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Lenovo-Thinkpad-L450-Notebook.140004.0.html 42.4W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Lenovo-ThinkPad-X1-Carbon-Early-2015-Ultrabook.138982.0.html 39W

Some more for you.

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Dell-Inspiron-13-7348-Convertible.140896.0.html 29W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-HP-Envy-15-x360-Convertible.137987.0.html 31.8W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Asus-Zenbook-UX303LA-Subnotebook.139938.0.html 30.5W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Acer-Aspire-R13-R7-371T-Notebook.137259.0.html 29.1W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Dell-Vostro-15-3558-Notebook.144790.0.html 25.5W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Fujitsu-Lifebook-S935-Subnotebook.141410.0.html 34.3W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Medion-Akoya-E7416-Notebook.135216.0.html 31W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Acer-Aspire-S7-393-Ultrabook.142295.0.html 30.6W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-HP-Spectre-13-x360-Convertible.142852.0.html 30.2W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Lenovo-ThinkPad-Yoga-12-Convertible.136698.0.html 35.7W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Dell-XPS-13-2015-Core-i7-Ultrabook.136638.0.html 33.2W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-HP-EliteBook-Folio-1040-G2-Ultrabook.142338.0.html 26.1W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Asus-Zenbook-UX303LA-Subnotebook.140774.0.html 28.3W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Lenovo-ThinkPad-T550-Notebook.137270.0.html 30.4W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Lenovo-ThinkPad-Edge-E550-Notebook.137307.0.html 35.6W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Dell-Latitude-14-E7450-Ultrabook.134752.0.html 29.6W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Acer-TravelMate-P645-Notebook.140243.0.html 30.4W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Dell-Latitude-3450-Notebook.138497.0.html 33.6W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Toshiba-KIRA-10D-Kirabook-2015-Notebook.142341.0.html 30.9W
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Toshiba-Satellite-Z30-B-100-Notebook.144873.0.html 28.8W

 

[Abwx]

Lowest idle power 4W not sure whether it's high because of the screen. But that is bad that is actually not better than Beema bad mkay.

Beware of this number, often lower numbers are due to a non conforming PSU that has no power factor correction, in such small PSUs passive correction is used and it is generaly set such that there s 2W losses that are added to the normal power losses of the adaptator.

This can be checked by measuring idle power when no device is unplugged, and that s why i use systematicaly the deltas and do no generaly pay attention to this number, although if it s inflated by the laptop itself it s visible, despite said PFC.

 

[mikk]

why is the CB R15 score in line with the APU official frequency..?..

You have to explain more. No idea what your problem is. I have to ask again, why do you think the score implies a steady 2.4 Ghz for this particular benchmark?