AMD Carrizo Pre-release thread

[Abwx]

The only Frage I have left would be when is it going to be available in Germany. I like the Envy even without the 1080P screen as I could add that myself if needed. Also I'm sad that it can't run above 15W even when I command it to. Crappy cooling which I could also solve but there is still that HW lock probs.

I mean Q4 says literally nothing it could mean somewhere in December for all we know.

They ll appear at some point once the OEMs will get rid of huge inventories accumulated since Q2, see no other reason for those delayed launches, according to Digitimes only HP managed to sort out its inventory excess as well as Asus more recently.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20150825PB200.html

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20150817PD206.html

Other than that AMD is providing a few more details at Hotchips :

In addition, AMD will share details on clock and power gating management, disclosures on the new integrated Southbridge, and improvements in entering sleep and idle modes. AMD will also discuss additional efficiency improvements, including the enhanced ability to quickly put the SoC in the lowest power state and self-refresh DRAM.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20150825PR202.html

 

[maarten12100]

They ll appear at some point once the OEMs will get rid of huge inventories accumulated since Q2, see no other reason for those delayed launches, according to Digitimes only HP managed to sort out its inventory excess as well as Asus more recently.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20150825PB200.html

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20150817PD206.html

Other than that AMD is providing a few more details at Hotchips :



http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20150825PR202.html

I'm going to be crying my eyes out if they talk about just Carrizo on Hotchips rather than also somethings about Zen. Also the fact they have so much inventory while they know when the parts in their supply chain will be available to them and their internal production/design times are known is pretty stupid. Or they produced way too much and now have too much which means they mis-anticipated the market by a lot.

 

[monstercameron]

http://wccftech.com/amd-carrizo-apu-architecture-hot-chips/

more carrizo details.

 

[Abwx]

I'm going to be crying my eyes out if they talk about just Carrizo on Hotchips rather than also somethings about Zen.

It was sure from the start that they wouldnt disclose anything about Zen at this HChips, rather in the 2016 edition..

Better to keep mum as it s still 16 months away, and its more important to promote Carrizo at this point.

 

[Abwx]

http://wccftech.com/amd-carrizo-apu-architecture-hot-chips/

more carrizo details.

Yeah, they have nothing to hide, they know that their chips is more than competitive, hence they publish hard numbers, not slides with fairy tales...

 

[maarten12100]

Well the 15" fx-8800p based Acer is available now. It will be cheaper at notebookbilliger where it's not yet available. Not sure whether I want to wait for Asus and HP to finally release their fx-8800p notebooks.
http://www.saturn.de/webapp/wcs/sto...nel=sedede&searchParams=&path=&query=FX-8800p

 

[gorion]

Well the 15" fx-8800p based Acer is available now. It will be cheaper at notebookbilliger where it's not yet available. Not sure whether I want to wait for Asus and HP to finally release their fx-8800p notebooks.
http://www.saturn.de/webapp/wcs/sto...nel=sedede&searchParams=&path=&query=FX-8800p

I'd wait, should be a matter of a couple months

 

[maarten12100]

I'd wait, should be a matter of a couple months

If the Lenovo notebook really shows up for the rumoured 680 euros I will jump that. Despite the glossy screen that would be totally worth it.

 

[burninatortech4]

Well the 15" fx-8800p based Acer is available now. It will be cheaper at notebookbilliger where it's not yet available. Not sure whether I want to wait for Asus and HP to finally release their fx-8800p notebooks.
http://www.saturn.de/webapp/wcs/sto...nel=sedede&searchParams=&path=&query=FX-8800p

Still nothing like that available in the US? The best I've found here (outside of HP which sounds like it's TDP limited to hell), is this http://www.toshiba.com/us/computers/laptops/satellite/L50/L55D-C5227X

 

[CHADBOGA]

So is Dell making Laptops with Carrizo in them?

 

[inf64]

So is Dell making Laptops with Carrizo in them?

If they are they are hiding them really well...
Carrizo is very solid laptop CPU, too bad it is coming in the time of Broadwell based competition. Hopefully AMD will get some quality laptops on the market from Dell and the likes that don't cost the same as intel competition (if not they won't sell many I'm afraid).

I was looking at Carrizo based laptop for this autumn but so far I cannot find anything that I would consider buying. It's a shame.

 

[Abwx]

So is Dell making Laptops with Carrizo in them?

They make a few apparently, with either Carrizo-L or Carrizo, there s a 1080p option also.

http://www.dell.com/ly/p/inspiron-15-5555-laptop/pd

 

[burninatortech4]

They make a few apparently, with either Carrizo-L or Carrizo, there s a 1080p option also.

http://www.dell.com/ly/p/inspiron-15-5555-laptop/pd

Maybe it's just my phone but I can see all the spec options but there's no way to customize and order one yet?

 

[Abwx]

Maybe it's just my phone but I can see all the spec options but there's no way to customize and order one yet?

May be it s sold exclusively through the retail channel, there was one with a 8700P at Walmart site but it s out of stock.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Dell-Silv...y-1TB-Hard-Drive-and-Windows-10-Home/45976115

I suppose that HP did squeeze most of the first batches as they are the only ones that are selling them in several countries, and at lower prices, the 15"6 below for instance is at 500€ (550 with W10) while the 17"3 is at 600€, both being 1080p and despite a 19% VAT.

https://geizhals.de/?cat=nb&xf=6749_13#xf_top

 

[ElFenix]

They make a few apparently, with either Carrizo-L or Carrizo, there s a 1080p option also.

http://www.dell.com/ly/p/inspiron-15-5555-laptop/pd

the underscores in the processor name and the references to 17" chassis weights makes that page look like a really bad copypasta job. is dell hiring nigerian scammers to put its site together now?

 

[maarten12100]

I suppose that HP did squeeze most of the first batches as they are the only ones that are selling them in several countries, and at lower prices, the 15"6 below for instance is at 500€ (550 with W10) while the 17"3 is at 600€, both being 1080p and despite a 19% VAT.

https://geizhals.de/?cat=nb&xf=6749_13#xf_top

Allegedly they want to sell their old junk of which they have packed warehouses. So they delay the launch of their new products for half a year.

OEMs are horrible to the consumer in every way. Even if you want to buy a NEW notebook they won't let you.

 

[DrMrLordX]

is dell hiring nigerian scammers to put its site together now?

Yes!

Allegedly they want to sell their old junk of which they have packed warehouses. So they delay the launch of their new products for half a year.

OEMs are horrible to the consumer in every way. Even if you want to buy a NEW notebook they won't let you.

Yes, they are. What they're supposed to do, at least in a relatively-healthy supply chain, is move old stock into liquidation so that it can be sold on sites like Overstock.com (or whatever) at a discount. Then they sell the new stuff at retail, and life goes on for everyone. Apparently the losses from moving product into liquidation are too high for most of the OEMs to want to do that.

 

[svenge]

What they're supposed to do, at least in a relatively-healthy supply chain, is move old stock into liquidation so that it can be sold on sites like Overstock.com (or whatever) at a discount. Then they sell the new stuff at retail, and life goes on for everyone. Apparently the losses from moving product into liquidation are too high for most of the OEMs to want to do that.

The AMD ecosystem hasn't had a healthy supply chain in years. I would surmise that even the liquidation vendors don't want any part of AMD-based laptops at this point...

 

[maarten12100]

The AMD ecosystem hasn't had a healthy supply chain in years. I would surmise that even the liquidation vendors don't want any part of AMD-based laptops at this point...

Probably because they are built by those OEMs and are therefore garbage. Nobody wants a generation old amd laptop built of the cheapest materials the could find.

 

[svenge]

Probably because they are built by those OEMs and are therefore garbage. Nobody wants a generation old amd laptop built of the cheapest materials they could find.

The reason said laptops were "built of the cheapest materials they could find" is because surely OEMs know that almost no one would be willing to pay for a AMD laptop with good materials instead of an similarly-built Intel one at roughly the same price. Maybe you and the ever-shrinking handful of remaining AMD partisans would, but certainly not the general public.

Thus the cost-reduced AMD version for exceedingly price-conscious buyers (AMD's only remaining niche) was created.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I saw an A8-7410 in costco priced at 399.00. It was getting a fair amount of attention because it was the cheapest notebook on the shelf. I thought it was Carizzo, but looking further, seems like it is Carizzo-L. It was decent, but seems overpriced, since it is only slightly faster than atom (around 10% I think, except in gpu), and atom can be found in the 300.00 or less range, while 400.00 will get you close to Broadwell U, which is quite a bit faster. I think they might actually sell fairly well though, since most buyers dont really know the performance, but are just looking for cheap.

 

[maarten12100]

The reason said laptops were "built of the cheapest materials they could find" is because surely OEMs know that almost no one would be willing to pay for a AMD laptop with good materials instead of an similarly-built Intel one at roughly the same price. Maybe you and the ever-shrinking handful of remaining AMD partisans would, but certainly not the general public.

Thus the cost-reduced AMD version for exceedingly price-conscious buyers (AMD's only remaining niche) was created.

Is that why OEMs save 5 dollar on a screen because saving so little on such a major thing is really stupid. They could sell for more even to a price sensitive crowd oh and guess what they put them on bayfail notebooks that cost even less. I wonder why.

I must by the way really be an AMD partisan for wanting more gaming on my notebook.

 

[svenge]

I must by the way really be an AMD partisan for wanting more gaming on my notebook.

In this instance, what establishes you as an AMD partisan is the fact that you're desperately holding out a gaming-capable AMD-based notebook, while at the same time eschewing the hundreds of Intel-based models that already meet (and exceed) all the other the criteria.

 

[Dresdenboy]

In this instance, what establishes you as an AMD partisan is the fact that you're desperately holding out a gaming-capable AMD-based notebook, while at the same time eschewing the hundreds of Intel-based models that already meet (and exceed) all the other the criteria.

If he has a criterion like graphics performance at a limited price range and if Intel based laptops don't fit in there w/o sacrificing sth. else, what would you recommend then?

 

[DrMrLordX]

The AMD ecosystem hasn't had a healthy supply chain in years. I would surmise that even the liquidation vendors don't want any part of AMD-based laptops at this point...

Well, here's the thing: usually you have to dodge liquidation of old product when moving to a new one if the old product sold an insufficiently-large percentage of the original run at or near MSRP. We know that mobile Kaveri-based solutions had very little market penetration in North America. They can't be sitting on a lot of inventory state-side. In Europe, where we've seen many more mobile Kaveri laptops for months now, we're already seeing Carrizo units pop up here and there.

It should be much easier for OEMs to dump their North American stocks and move towards Carrizo since the total share of their mobile Kaveri lineup represented by unsold inventory in the US is probably very small, while it should have been much harder for them to do that in Europe since unsold inventory there should be the majority of what's left of the entire production run. But, we see the opposite. So . . . I dunno.