Ahh didnt see that thx,
dont think Carrizo has anything to do with AMDs stock market now.
The poster in post 715 is implying that the recent increase in AMD stock price is an indication that Carrizo will be an "epic win".
The poster in post 715 is implying that the recent increase in AMD stock price is an indication that Carrizo will be an "epic win".
Tied themselves to the mast of the wrong ship...
A Kaveri CPU max TDP is 67-68W for a 7850K, so Carrizo is limited to something like 50W at an equal thermal density given the 23% smaller cores surfaces, they could release 45W parts eventualy, but thoses wouldnt fit the AM1 plateform while being pointeless for FM2+ as with limited TDP they couldnt perform as well, frequency wise, than regular Kaveris.
I think they will release full 95W carrizo for FM2+. But they are going mobile first, so that usual amd bashers don't have a reason to bash. Well, guess what, they still find a reason... AMD releases desktop first - bad. AMD releases mobile first - bad. AMD doesn't release - bad. AMD releases - BAD.
Actually, if you take "AMD" and change order of some letters, add some letters, and take out some letters, you end with a word BAD. Did you know that?!
Exactly. AMD really got a very bad deal with GF.
I think they will release full 95W carrizo for FM2+. But they are going mobile first, so that usual amd bashers don't have a reason to bash. Well, guess what, they still find a reason... AMD releases desktop first - bad. AMD releases mobile first - bad. AMD doesn't release - bad. AMD releases - BAD.
Actually, if you take "AMD" and change order of some letters, add some letters, and take out some letters, you end with a word BAD. Did you know that?!
It is EXTREMELY doubtful that AMD would make a "cherry pick" Kaveri aka Godavari just to make it fight with Carrizo with its' known shortcomings in a 95W scenario and CPU performance "issue".
This is especially true seeing how Godavari and Carrizo are going to be released nearly at the same time (if all goes as planned)
cbn said:Now AMD does have cat core desktop chips with small 128sp iGPUs, but cpu performance is just not in the same league as Intel's bargain chips (ie, Pentium dual core, etc.). Further worsening this problem is the number of downclocked cat core quads I see making into these "big" desktops.
OEMs seem to like them. Seriously, they do. They let the OEM check off all kinds of functionality checkboxes, they're cheap, and . . . they're cheap. And, for the most part, they are faster than Grandma's Netburst Celeron that she is replacing so why not? Sadly, there's a fairly long list of older CPUs that these chips do not exceed in performance.
And let's face it, those desktops with E1 and E2 chips inside really aren't classic desktops anyway, they are just AiOs in desktop clothing. It would be better if, say, 5350s were going into these machines, but noooo can't have that. Not that the 5350 is stupendous or anything. It'd just be better than the dual-core Jaguars.
I think in order for big desktops (and this includes SFF boxes capable of taking a video card) to be the next growth sector we would need to have more competition in the metric consumers want the most and that is cpu performance value.
In contrast, AMD has chosen not to go after this metric and instead of making their quad "big" core (stars, construction cores) processors more affordable they have decided to tack on big iGPUs.
Actually, I'm not sure SFF boxes belong in the same segment as your typical Dude You're Getting A Dell desktop. Different form factors involved, different market. SFF is basically following in the footsteps of the iMac Mini (and actually, Shuttle probably deserves credit here too).
That aside, competition in the desktop sector really isn't what has driven desktop sales into doldroms. It's more like this:
1). People started shifting to notebooks/netbooks/tablets/smartphones
2). People started being able to keep their desktop for longer periods of time without needing to upgrade, especially in 2006/2007 and later once Core 2 chips became common.
There are still lots of people out there with Core 2-era desktops running something like Vista or 7 that see no reason to upgrade. There are fewer people flocking to tablets now, but that does not mean they're going to turn around and buy an i3 box with the money they save avoiding consumer tech purchases. AMD can't automagically stimulate sales in this sector by leapfrogging Intel in IPC or raw performance if people just don't want a new beige (or black) box to sit under their desk.
I think they will release full 95W carrizo for FM2+. But they are going mobile first, so that usual amd bashers don't have a reason to bash. Well, guess what, they still find a reason... AMD releases desktop first - bad. AMD releases mobile first - bad. AMD doesn't release - bad. AMD releases - BAD.
Actually, if you take "AMD" and change order of some letters, add some letters, and take out some letters, you end with a word BAD. Did you know that?!
They have already stated that carrizo is not going to be on the FM2+ platform. Hence this whole arguement. lol
What? Where?
As said FM2+ will be adressed with Kaveri refreshes, it s quite possible that they have sorted the latencies issues that kept Steamroller from providing all the announced IPC improvements, this could explain the lower frequencies as well as the refreshes being new revisions whose waffers industrial production is to start theses days according to VR Zone leak.
Actually, the frequencies are a tiny bit higher...only the 2 Athlon chips are at lower frequencies...which to me implies that this is a mistake in that "leak".
If the 7850K is 3.7/4.0 and the 8850K 3.7/4.1 then it doesn't make sense that the 860K is 3.7/4.0 and the 870K is 3.5/3.7
Godavari looks like it will mainly gain performance through slightly higher clocks (especially GPU side) and maybe some tiny revision corrections.
Since it also supposedly comes with the loud but stronger FX coolers this seems to be the most likely scenario. Not like AMD has lots of money to throw around to put some R&D cash into the "failure" that was Kaveri (sales)...looks simply like cherry picks to me. I say that the 870K will actually release at 3.7 or 3.8 ghz with a 4.1/4.2 boost. Otherwise they would be beaten by their own, likely cheaper 860K...which makes absolutely no sense at all.
Set apart the top models all the rest has lower base frequencies :
A10-7800 is 3.5-3.9, A10-7700k is 3.4-3.8 , A8-7600 is 3.1-3.8 or 3.3-3.8 depending if it set at 45 or 65W, A8-7650K is 3.3-3.8, all base frequencies are higher than the refreshes, besides the 2C A6-7400K is 3.5-3.9 and is replaced by a 3.1-3.5 part, overall base frequencies and sometimes turbos have been reduced by about 10%.
Wouldn't that mostly be due to the raised GPU frequencies? Because those are all across the board UP.
The 8850K is pretty much just the ultimate cherry pick...while the others all raise GPU performance over CPU performance.
But since the Athlons have no GPU...those clocks are just 100% nonsensical. It's still the same architecture as Kaveri.
I still think that this leaked picture is full of mistakes and flaws. If Godaveri really happens...then it wouldn't be something where AMD spent tons of R&D on it to improve Kaveri (simply because those funds don't exist).
Not sure that the GPUs needed a perf boost compared to the competition, and as you point it the CPU frequency is also reduced in GPU less parts, besides the GPU is already quite bandwith constrained so it doesnt make sense to increase power comsumption of this part for marginal gains, that s why i thought of the memory latencies numbers wich negated most if not all of Kaveri s IPC improvements in some softs like archiving utilities.
Isn't Godavari the codename for Mullins iGPU?
I think those Core 2 era machines are getting rather old for use as a primary desktop though. If running Vista the user will also have to upgrade to a new OS by 2017.
P.S. The type of SFF boxes I include in the "big desktop category" are much bigger than the NUC/Mac Mini style boxes that use mobile processors (re: the SFF boxes I am thinking about are around 10+ liters in volume and are able to take a low profile video card). They can handle at least a 65 watt processor as well. See below for an example.
The Stilt set the record straight.