AMD Carrizo Pre-release thread

[BigDaveX]

Presumably they're still waiting until the fuss around Skylake and Windows 10 has died down.

 

[Abwx]

Just a few points about the HP Pavilion 17-g054ng in the NBC review
(link : http://www.notebookcheck.com/Carrizo-im-Test-Was-leistet-AMDs-A10-8700P.147092.0.html)


Memory is running at dual Channel but at 1333MHz
iGPU is running at 720MHz instead of 800MHz.

So you have to consider those factors when you comparing the Gaming performance.

That make it a A8-8600P GPU wise, accounting for RAM reduced speed the 1510 3Dmark11 score is perfectly in line with AMD s claims :

 

[Dresdenboy]

Carrizo GPU: "800 (Boost) MHz"

http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-R6-Carrizo-Benchmarks.144290.0.html

BTW have you noticed the relatively small drop in FPS (13 and 17%) while clocking down much more strongly (30%), likely mitigated by the dGPU.

 

[Abwx]

NBC say that they dont know exactly :

At launch in mid 2015 the R6 was used in the AMD A10-8700P and A8-8600P with 384 GCN shaders and 720 resp. 800 MHz clock rate (Boost?)

800MHz boost must be for the A10-8700P only, the frequency uplift match the perf delta with the A8.

 

[Dresdenboy]

NBC say that they dont know exactly :

800MHz boost must be for the A10-8700P only, the frequency uplift match the perf delta with the A8.

That makes sense.

BTW, congratulations to 6,666 postings.

 

[Abwx]

That makes sense.

BTW, congratulations to 6,666 postings.

Thank you, didnt even notice...

Anectdoticaly i did enqueue about 10 000 songs badly repertoried in a folder the other day with Winamp, the title that numbered 666 in the player was Alan Parson s song Lucifer, amazing, isnt it..?.

 

[Dresdenboy]

Thank you, didnt even notice...

Anectdoticaly i did enqueue about 10 000 songs badly repertoried in a folder the other day with Winamp, the title that numbered 666 in the player was Alan Parson s song Lucifer, amazing, isnt it..?.

Hehe. That's the kind of coincidence, which makes our mind's pattern detection happy.

 

[Abwx]

Hehe. That's the kind of coincidence, which makes our mind's pattern detection happy.

I wish lotteries could be won that easily...

On the Carrizo subject it s quite bothering that there s no reviews other than NBC s HP s Pavillion, and still, it was sent by NotebooksBilliger, while a Carrizo-L laptop was sent by Toshiba...

 

[dark zero]

So... no reviews of the MIA Carrizo?

 

[Willyfisch]

So... no reviews of the MIA Carrizo?

Yeah, it's a shame... the "wait for Win10" argument isn't valid anymore either, it just seems like they don't want to review it. Maybe they didn't send out review samples and no reviewer wants to buy a Carrizo notebook?

 

[Abwx]

Yeah, it's a shame... the "wait for Win10" argument isn't valid anymore either, it just seems like they don't want to review it. Maybe they didn't send out review samples and no reviewer wants to buy a Carrizo notebook?

This one was sent by a german shop, and that s why they didnt dismount it as it can no more be sold as new, if ever it is returned.. :

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Carrizo-im-Test-Was-leistet-AMDs-A10-8700P.147092.0.html

So we ll have to wait that an english KB version is sent one day or another, i guess that for the time OEMs prefer to sell them given the tight supply as they are still not available in all countries, among other in France...

 

[JonFX01]

Hey guys,

people are starting to post benchmarks and gameplay footage with fps counters of the HP Pavilion with the A10-8700P CPU on youtube and the framerates seem to be...rather low, sadly.

This notebook is supposed to have a dGPU, the R7 M360, which should perform similar to the Nvidia GTX 840M, right? What's going on here? Were these people running it with the dGPU off?

For those who have any experience with recent AMD notebooks (Kaveri, etc..), how do you manage the APU + dGPU combo on an AMD laptop anyway ? Does crossfire turn on automatically in games when you plug it in or do you have to activate the dGPU manually?

I assume NBC tested the graphical performance of the HP laptop with the dGPU off?

 

[jime1]

Now, I'm starting to believe that even AMD is ashamed of Carrizo....

Its feels like carrizo is not official, maybe some of the AMD employes got together and made the Carrizo APUs in a garage, & now they are "trying" to sell it somehow to the OEMs to earn some extra bucks !!

 

[Willyfisch]

This one was sent by a german shop, and that s why they didnt dismount it as it can no more be sold as new, if ever it is returned.. :

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Carrizo-im-Test-Was-leistet-AMDs-A10-8700P.147092.0.html

So we ll have to wait that an english KB version is sent one day or another, i guess that for the time OEMs prefer to sell them given the tight supply as they are still not available in all countries, among other in France...

Yeah, a big review site like Anand could just buy one to make the Carrizo chip review and sell it afterwards, if they don't want to keep it. That would cost them like 100$ maybe...

 

[svenge]

Now, I'm starting to believe that even AMD is ashamed of Carrizo....

Its feels like carrizo is not official, maybe some of the AMD employes got together and made the Carrizo APUs in a garage, & now they are "trying" to sell it somehow to the OEMs to earn some extra bucks !!

AMD's going to end up paying for those unused wafers from Global Foundries (under their disastrous "Take or Pay" Wafer Supply Agreement, of which they fall short of fulfilling each and every year) anyhow.

Someone might as well get some use out of them, right?

 

[mpc007]

Hey guys,

people are starting to post benchmarks and gameplay footage with fps counters of the HP Pavilion with the A10-8700P CPU on youtube and the framerates seem to be...rather low, sadly.

This notebook is supposed to have a dGPU, the R7 M360, which should perform similar to the Nvidia GTX 840M, right? What's going on here? Were these people running it with the dGPU off?

For those who have any experience with recent AMD notebooks (Kaveri, etc..), how do you manage the APU + dGPU combo on an AMD laptop anyway ? Does crossfire turn on automatically in games when you plug it in or do you have to activate the dGPU manually?

I assume NBC tested the graphical performance of the HP laptop with the dGPU off?

Sorry, but that is wrong. The Nvidia GeForce GT840m is quite a bit more powerful than the R7 M360. The R7 is still the old Oland part, and no match for Nvidia's Maxwell. You can find that information if you compare 3DMark 11 scores, where the R7 gets 1720 points and the GT840m 2330.

 

[mpc007]

So, I'll chip in my opinion as well (after reading a lot of pages on this thread).

I really want Carrizo to be great. I'm typing this from a Beema powered Lenovo Flex 2-14D with the A8 6410 + R5 M230 dGPU, and my current machine is absolutely great considering it only costed me 430 Euro.

But, I'm always looking forward, and more GFX power in a payable 14 inch package is my current wish. Therefore, I'd need at least 512 streamprocessors, something Carrizo offers. Therefore, I'm a bit worried about the things I'm reading about OEMs using lame TDP configs and weird Dual Graphics configs.

Also, I'm a bit disappointed about people talking about things you can change in new laptops. Please stop going on about dual channel ram and ssds. If you want an SSD or dual channel config, please do it yourself! This is Anandtech, and swapping in extra RAM or an SSD should be very doable for everyone here.

About the 'dreaded' 786p screens, I care neither. My current machine has 786p, and it really struggles with current games. So why would you want an even higher resolution (apart from the fact that 1080p screens sometimes happen to be IPS screens, which are of course great)? Very nice that you can play Minecraft on 1080p, but I think its more useful to be running BF4 in 786p with a nice framerate FIRST (no, not on low settings). Only if a machine is running everything decent at 786, manufacturers should look at applying higher resolutions.

But then again, but what REALLY bothers me, are the things we as endusers CAN NOT change. And then, I'm talking mainly about three things. One, we are simply screwed if OEMs choose to only choose the 15w config on these new Carrizo's. I'm not kidding, but then i'll simply keep my Beema device because the upgrade isnt worth it. 15w is the easier option for OEMS, because the average user doesn't know or care, and they can pick a cheaper thermal solution. So I'm really fearing that Carrizo's potential will get screwed by OEMs picking the low 15w TDP settings.

Number two, we can't change a thing about, is the screen sizes OEMs apply. Its cheaper for them to pick 17 inch devices, because theres lots of useless space inside so the manufacturing process is cheaper. However, I personally hate these 'empty' devices, with all the potential being lost. Therefore, I'd really want a 14 inch part, because thats what the chip fits best in, I think. Besides, with 14 inch, the notebook is still portable. I really don't want to go back to 15.6 inch.

Number three, very obvious, is the prices OEMs will give their new devices. Carrizo will just not stand a chance when pricing is over 600 dollars, like HP is currently doing. I mean, for just 649 dollars, I can get a Lenovo Y40-80 14 inch gaming laptop with an I5 5200u and a AMD R9 275. Both on CPU and GPU side, this thing blows Carrizo miles away. You would be a complete moron and thief of your own wallet if you'd buy a Carrizo without dGPU for more than 650 dollars. Therefore, I'd really wish OEMs gave Carrizo the prices it deserves, so between 400 and 600 dollars (what AMD also said). Then they can compete with Intel i3 devices without dGPUs, and the AMD will win gloriously.

Hope you guys value my reply.

 

[Abwx]

Yeah, a big review site like Anand could just buy one to make the Carrizo chip review and sell it afterwards, if they don't want to keep it. That would cost them like 100$ maybe...

The usual and only deal is to get gear for free in exchange of the inherent advertisement that the review will bring.

NBC dismount most laptops, and likely that reviews are paid since it cost them 250-400$/review to pay the journalist that did the tests and article.

I assume NBC tested the graphical performance of the HP laptop with the dGPU off?

dGPU off, RAM dual channel 2 X 1333MHz and APU set at 15W by HP.

I guess that the bios didnt allow to increase TDP, otherwise they would had surely checked the difference, although it would had been limited by the RAM speed.

And not sure that it was a good idea to offer the chip with configurable TDP over such a range, at this point it is impossible to differentiate laptops that are set at 15W from others that are at say 25W.

 

[maarten12100]

Sorry, but that is wrong. The Nvidia GeForce GT840m is quite a bit more powerful than the R7 M360. The R7 is still the old Oland part, and no match for Nvidia's Maxwell. You can find that information if you compare 3DMark 11 scores, where the R7 gets 1720 points and the GT840m 2330.

False it is a Tonga derived chip comparing it to the R7 M260 showed that at roughly the same clocks the R7 M360 had a 15% advantage in Fallout Nv. (only game I tested)

But the 840M should be faster than just the dgpu anyways.

 

[monstercameron]

If you guys are disappointed, imagine how I feel having checking bestbuy for that good looking toshiba satellite radius no longer be in stock or available. I give up, AMD literally doesn't want to sell me anything.

 

[Abwx]

If you guys are disappointed, imagine how I feel having checking bestbuy for that good looking toshiba satellite radius no longer be in stock or available. I give up, AMD literally doesn't want to sell me anything.

Why put the blame on AMD..?.

It is either HP, because of low inventory, or Bestbuy if for the same reason, that dont want to sell you what you want...

First OEM that will show some boldness will get a sizeable growth in this stagnating market, HP did apparently but still too moderatly or eventualy Carrizo supply is still tight, that s a possibility that cant be discarded.

 

[mpc007]

False it is a Tonga derived chip comparing it to the R7 M260 showed that at roughly the same clocks the R7 M360 had a 15% advantage in Fallout Nv. (only game I tested)

But the 840M should be faster than just the dgpu anyways.

Maybe Tonga derived, but miles away from Tonga performance. 64 bit and DDR3 completely kills any potential. Only 384 SPs. 3D11 score same as Oland R7 260. Cape Verde mobile still a lot faster.

 

[Infernus]

Why put the blame on AMD..?.

It is either HP, because of low inventory, or Bestbuy if for the same reason, that dont want to sell you what you want...

First OEM that will show some boldness will get a sizeable growth in this stagnating market, HP did apparently but still too moderatly or eventualy Carrizo supply is still tight, that s a possibility that cant be discarded.

The thing that gets me is the HP ENVY 15 - if they would have put the same 1080p screen on the FX-8800p variant as they do with all of the Intel versions they would have gotten a purchase by me. I could have overlooked the lack of 802.11ac/dGPU.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

If you guys are disappointed, imagine how I feel having checking bestbuy for that good looking toshiba satellite radius no longer be in stock or available. I give up, AMD literally doesn't want to sell me anything.

Seriously, it's Best Buy.

Walmart usually stocks laptops better. Unless you buy it online from them, their stores almost never stock the compelling deals.

 

[frozentundra123456]

So, I'll chip in my opinion as well (after reading a lot of pages on this thread).

I really want Carrizo to be great. I'm typing this from a Beema powered Lenovo Flex 2-14D with the A8 6410 + R5 M230 dGPU, and my current machine is absolutely great considering it only costed me 430 Euro.

But, I'm always looking forward, and more GFX power in a payable 14 inch package is my current wish. Therefore, I'd need at least 512 streamprocessors, something Carrizo offers. Therefore, I'm a bit worried about the things I'm reading about OEMs using lame TDP configs and weird Dual Graphics configs.

Also, I'm a bit disappointed about people talking about things you can change in new laptops. Please stop going on about dual channel ram and ssds. If you want an SSD or dual channel config, please do it yourself! This is Anandtech, and swapping in extra RAM or an SSD should be very doable for everyone here.

About the 'dreaded' 786p screens, I care neither. My current machine has 786p, and it really struggles with current games. So why would you want an even higher resolution (apart from the fact that 1080p screens sometimes happen to be IPS screens, which are of course great)? Very nice that you can play Minecraft on 1080p, but I think its more useful to be running BF4 in 786p with a nice framerate FIRST (no, not on low settings). Only if a machine is running everything decent at 786, manufacturers should look at applying higher resolutions.

But then again, but what REALLY bothers me, are the things we as endusers CAN NOT change. And then, I'm talking mainly about three things. One, we are simply screwed if OEMs choose to only choose the 15w config on these new Carrizo's. I'm not kidding, but then i'll simply keep my Beema device because the upgrade isnt worth it. 15w is the easier option for OEMS, because the average user doesn't know or care, and they can pick a cheaper thermal solution. So I'm really fearing that Carrizo's potential will get screwed by OEMs picking the low 15w TDP settings.

Number two, we can't change a thing about, is the screen sizes OEMs apply. Its cheaper for them to pick 17 inch devices, because theres lots of useless space inside so the manufacturing process is cheaper. However, I personally hate these 'empty' devices, with all the potential being lost. Therefore, I'd really want a 14 inch part, because thats what the chip fits best in, I think. Besides, with 14 inch, the notebook is still portable. I really don't want to go back to 15.6 inch.

Number three, very obvious, is the prices OEMs will give their new devices. Carrizo will just not stand a chance when pricing is over 600 dollars, like HP is currently doing. I mean, for just 649 dollars, I can get a Lenovo Y40-80 14 inch gaming laptop with an I5 5200u and a AMD R9 275. Both on CPU and GPU side, this thing blows Carrizo miles away. You would be a complete moron and thief of your own wallet if you'd buy a Carrizo without dGPU for more than 650 dollars. Therefore, I'd really wish OEMs gave Carrizo the prices it deserves, so between 400 and 600 dollars (what AMD also said). Then they can compete with Intel i3 devices without dGPUs, and the AMD will win gloriously.

Hope you guys value my reply.

760p vs 1080p is a tough choice. For gaming, 760p is obviously better in these kind of devices, because they simply dont have the power to push 1080p on the igp, and you can game at native res for a lot of games.

However, there are a lot of uses for a laptop besides gaming. If you want to do any kind of productivity work, like spreadsheets, etc., 1080p is far superior. So I suppose it comes down to what you want to do with the laptop. Personally though, I dont think I would buy anything larger than a tablet with less than 1080p.