AMD Carrizo Pre-release thread

[deasd]

carrizo for desktops ??

Coming soon, named Bristol Ridge.

 

[jime1]

Coming soon, named Bristol Ridge.

wow!! hope its worth something...:thumbsup:
Although, I don't hope much from AMD now.

 

[AMDisTheBEST]

I already seen and sample a carrizo laptop at my local best buy. The chip, fx-8800p scored 1040 in single thread and 4990ish(very close to 5000) in muti when i benched it on cpu z. This made it better than i5 4/5xxxU but behind I7s

 

[cbn]

carrizo for desktops ??

Coming soon, named Bristol Ridge.

Lets hope demand for Bristol Ridge on mobile causes that to be delayed. (Unless it is an Athlon x 4 version or a 2C with big iGPU version).

 

[Shehriazad]

Lets hope demand for Bristol Ridge on mobile causes that to be delayed. (Unless it is an Athlon x 4 version or a 2C with big iGPU version).

Why would you want Desktop Carrizo to be delayed...wat?


Not to mention AMD wants to release the AM4 platform before Zen comes out...Bristol Ridge is the only option.

And of course it will come in all the same flavors that Kaveri came in.

4core + iGPU
4core - iGPU
2core + iGPU
2core - iGPU

Difference of course being DDR4 instead of 3 and a new chipset.

 

[monstercameron]

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-HP-EliteBook-745-G3-Notebook.157955.0.html

doesnt look bad, 1440p ips display, 256GB ssd, ~20% lower cpu perf than skylake i3 and better GPU perf than i5(non iris) or gt 920m(kepler).

 

[VirtualLarry]

I already seen and sample a carrizo laptop at my local best buy. The chip, fx-8800p scored 1040 in single thread and 4990ish(very close to 5000) in muti when i benched it on cpu z. This made it better than i5 4/5xxxU but behind I7s

That's not too bad.

My Intel Skylake G4400 Pentium dual-core CPU, when overclocked in a Z170 Pro4S mobo, gets around 2248 single-thread and 4000-ish multi-thread in CPU-Z's benchmark.

As you can see, single-threaded performance of my G4400 (OCed, no less) is more than twice that of your FX-8800P. I think that non-overclocked, my single-thread score is probably around 1600-1800. I'll have to check, next time I feel like rebooting my machine.

 

[AMDisTheBEST]

That's not too bad.

My Intel Skylake G4400 Pentium dual-core CPU, when overclocked in a Z170 Pro4S mobo, gets around 2248 single-thread and 4000-ish multi-thread in CPU-Z's benchmark.

As you can see, single-threaded performance of my G4400 (OCed, no less) is more than twice that of your FX-8800P. I think that non-overclocked, my single-thread score is probably around 1600-1800. I'll have to check, next time I feel like rebooting my machine.

fx 8800p is a laptop processor locked at a TDP of 15w. I would't expect it to be faster than a desktop Pentium at 53 W

 

[AtenRa]

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-HP-EliteBook-745-G3-Notebook.157955.0.html

doesnt look bad, 1440p ips display, 256GB ssd, ~20% lower cpu perf than skylake i3 and better GPU perf than i5(non iris) or gt 920m(kepler).

1300 Euro ??? are you kidding me ??

 

[therealnickdanger]

Seriously, all I really want is full HEVC Main 10 hardware decoding, but I'd settle for a hybrid solution.

 

[monstercameron]

Seriously, all I really want is full HEVC Main 10 hardware decoding, but I'd settle for a hybrid solution.

Carrizo doesn't have main 10

 

[dark zero]

fx 8800p is a laptop processor locked at a TDP of 15w. I would't expect it to be faster than a desktop Pentium at 53 W

And OCed it could jump calmly at 70+....

Carrizo was a good idea, but implemented in the worst possible way.

 

[therealnickdanger]

Carrizo doesn't have main 10

True, but it has 4K 8-bit HEVC hardware decoding. If Bristol Ridge takes it to the next level, even with a hybrid solution, I'll be happy.

 

[Rngwn]

Finally we've got ourselves a carrizo without the 15w limit, reviewed by NBC.

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Lenovo-IdeaPad-Y700-15ACZ-Notebook.157922.0.html

This one has FX-8800P, here are the CB11.5 scores:

ST: 0.96
MT: 3.36

And CB 15 scores:

ST: 82
MT: 277

Compared to the 35w 6100H, MT is superior, but ST is the other way around.

6100H review by NBC: http://www.notebookcheck.com/Intel-Core-i3-6100H-Notebook-Prozessor.149438.0.html

 

[Burpo]

The turbo up to 3.4Ghz lets the AMD shine in comparison to the 2.7Ghz intel. How many OEMs wil do this tho?

BTW, Notebookcheck in your link, shows this for the intel i3-6100H
Cinebench R15 -
CPU ST: 108
CPU MT: 292

 

[Abwx]

BTW, Notebookcheck in your link, shows this for the intel i3-6100H
Cinebench R15 -
CPU ST: 108
CPU MT: 292

They also show :

Cinebench 11.5 -
CPU ST: 1.3
CPU MT: 3.2

So from CB 11.5 to R15 there seems to be some "optimisations" added to help Intel CPUs get 10.68% higher scores.

 

[Burpo]

I was thinking the same thing.. I'm sure Maxon has improved their benchmark over the years.. R15 being most current.

Cinebench R15 x64

Single-thread:
A10-8800P @ 35W cTDP: 82
Core i5-6300U (15W TDP): 122
Core i7-6650U (15W TDP): 132

Multi-thread:
A10-8800P @ 35W cTDP: 277
Core i5-6300U (15W TDP): 306
Core i7-6650U (15W TDP): 342

- Cinebench 11.5 x64

Single-thread:
A10-8800P @ 35W cTDP: 0.92
Core i5-6300U (15W TDP): 1.4
Core i7-6650U (15W TDP): 1.51

Multi-thread:
A10-8800P @ 35W cTDP: 3.36
Core i5-6300U (15W TDP): 3.4
Core i7-6650U (15W TDP): 3.8

 

[Abwx]

I was thinking the same thing.. I'm sure Maxon has improved their benchmark over the years.. R15 being most current.

Cinebench R15 x64

Single-thread:
A10-8800P @ 35W cTDP: 82
Core i5-6300U (15W TDP): 122
Core i7-6650U (15W TDP): 132

Multi-thread:
A10-8800P @ 35W cTDP: 277
Core i5-6300U (15W TDP): 306
Core i7-6650U (15W TDP): 342

- Cinebench 11.5 x64

Single-thread:
A10-8800P @ 35W cTDP: 0.92
Core i5-6300U (15W TDP): 1.4
Core i7-6650U (15W TDP): 1.51

Multi-thread:
A10-8800P @ 35W cTDP: 3.36
Core i5-6300U (15W TDP): 3.4
Core i7-6650U (15W TDP): 3.8

TDPs of the i5/I7 are not 15W, to achieve those scores they pump more than 30W.

If they could do it at 15W then the DT 3.5GHz i7 would be barely a 30W chip.

 

[JDG1980]

So did anyone ever release a proper Carrizo laptop? FX-8800P, 35W (or user-configurable) TDP, no unnecessary dGPU, decent screen (1080p IPS or better)?

AMD really should have either designed and sold a reference laptop, or tried to get a design win from Apple or Microsoft, who, unlike the other OEMs, can at least be counted on not to sabotage the product. Carrizo is far from perfect, but it has the potential to be a lot better than the current wave of craptops indicates.

 

[Burpo]

The sweet spot definitely seems to be the I5-6300u. i7 isn't much different, except slightly better graphics, at extra cost.

 

[Abwx]

Seems that the A10-8700P is already more or less replaced by a A10-8780P with a 200MHz base frequency bump, although if with a configurable TDPs it shouldnt be different from the previous offering, otherwise it could be well locked at 15W with some boost...

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-A10-Series%20A10-8780P%20Extreme.html

https://geizhals.de/hp-pavilion-15-ab109ng-silber-t9r10ea-abd-a1386875.html?hloc=at&hloc=de

CPU: AMD A10-8780P, 4x 2.00GHz • RAM: 8GB DDR3L (1x 8GB) • Festplatte: 1TB SSHD (8GB SSD-Cache) • optisches Laufwerk: DVD+/-RW DL • Grafik: AMD Radeon R7 M360, 2GB, HDMI • Display: 15.6", 1920x1080, glare • Anschlüsse: 2x USB 3.0, 1x USB 2.0, LAN • Wireless: WLAN 802.11b/g/n, Bluetooth 4.0 • Cardreader: SD/MMC • Webcam: 1.0 Megapixel • Betriebssystem: Windows 10 Home 64bit • Akku: Li-Ionen, 4 Zellen • Gewicht: 2.29kg •

 

[Rngwn]

TDPs of the i5/I7 are not 15W, to achieve those scores they pump more than 30W.

If they could do it at 15W then the DT 3.5GHz i7 would be barely a 30W chip.

Those Intel ULVs certainly does pull more than 15w in turbo boost, but not 30+ watts. However, that means the iGPU must be stressed as well. AFAIK, the max turbo power is 25w give or take. Would love to see how "turbo boost" (yes, I mean something similar to PL1, PL2) in Carrizo compares to Intel as well.

 

[DrMrLordX]

1). People keep forgetting how much better Carrizo is (or could be) compared to mobile Kaveri. Here's some reminders:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Kaveri-FX-7600P-Notebook-Processor.117329.0.html

http://www.notebookcheck.org/AMD-A-Series-FX-8800P-Notebook-Processor.147049.0.html

Cosidering the 8800P numbers come from notebookcheck's reviews of Y700 products, those numbers are probably as close to proper as they're going to get for the 8800P. Those are some pretty nice improvements for Carrizo over Mobile Kaveri, with some real whoppers in there, like a ~50% median improvement in 3DMark Vantage or a ~37% median improvement in 3DMark Fire Strike physics.

Going around in circles about whether it caught up with Intel or who is cheating on power consumption is irritating.

2). I would like to know what AMD actively did within the last year to get Carrizo put in so many poorly-configured laptops that won't let it run out of 15W mode at all (or not for long enough like the Y700), have useless dGPUs, no SSDs, too-big or too-small screens, weird RAM configurations, and other stupidity.

Because if it's their fault, all their fault, blah blah blah who's the AMD guy who put these build recommendations in the docs they shipped with reference products?

I will say this much: according to what The Stilt has intimated about his reference unit, there are some limitations on the VRMs, the power brick, and the cooling such Carrizo was definitely not going to go over maybe 70W power consumption; furthermore, if you ran every part of the 8800P at max clocks all the time, it would approach a TDP level of maybe . . . 65W or higher? So there's no way it's gonna run CPU + iGPU at full tilt allll the time.

3). Carrizo is now old hat, so why are we still posting in a preview thread? Bring on Bristol Ridge mobile/Stoney Ridge.

 

[Dresdenboy]

Those Intel ULVs certainly does pull more than 15w in turbo boost, but not 30+ watts. However, that means the iGPU must be stressed as well.

You mean, there is a separate part of TDP for iGPU? Would be an old pwr mgmt style.
CPU cores can easily draw 50% or more power by going into a boost state.

 

[Balt4r]

3). Carrizo is now old hat, so why are we still posting in a preview thread? Bring on Bristol Ridge mobile/Stoney Ridge.

This sounds like a great idea, I can't find a lot of information about Bristol Ridge tho.