AMD Carrizo Pre-release thread

[dawgmatix]

you are missing the point. AMD's platform is supposed to compete on 2 factors, Price and GPU performance. With both factors not present is nearly any AMD power machine its value proposition is greatly diminished.

If you can but a laptop that is much faster than carrizo for the same price, it means that they failed to market this product.

This is very upsetting (don't know why I am this emotionally invested TBH) but it is a very solid product letdown by crappy implementations.

The following config comes to 795 dollars shipped. I think its pretty good value for an enterprise laptop with decent build quality, 1080p (never thought I would live to see AMD laptops being offered with resolution > 1366x768), 128 gb ssd plus a 500GB hard drive, dual channel 8gb ram.

•Integrated 720p HD Webcam
•14 inch LED FHD SVA Anti-Glare (1920x1080) for Webcam
•8 GB 1600 DDR3 SDRAM (2 DIMM)
•500 GB 7200 rpm SATA Hard Drive
•3-Cell (46 WHr) Long Life Battery
•45 Watt Smart nPFC AC Adapter
•No Fingerprint Reader
•1/1/0 Warranty
•FreeDOS
•128 GB M2 SATA III TLC Solid-State Drive (SSD)
•No Near Field Communication
•US Country Kit Localization
•Power Cord - 1.8 Meters
•DualPoint Keyboard
•No HP Mobile Broadband
•Intel 7265 802.11 b/g/n/ac (2x2) + Bluetooth 4.0

 

[alexruiz]

The following config comes to 795 dollars shipped. I think its pretty good value for an enterprise laptop with decent build quality, 1080p (never thought I would live to see AMD laptops being offered with resolution > 1366x768), 128 gb ssd plus a 500GB hard drive, dual channel 8gb ram.

•Integrated 720p HD Webcam
•14 inch LED FHD SVA Anti-Glare (1920x1080) for Webcam
•8 GB 1600 DDR3 SDRAM (2 DIMM)
•500 GB 7200 rpm SATA Hard Drive
•3-Cell (46 WHr) Long Life Battery
•45 Watt Smart nPFC AC Adapter
•No Fingerprint Reader
•1/1/0 Warranty
•FreeDOS
•128 GB M2 SATA III TLC Solid-State Drive (SSD)
•No Near Field Communication
•US Country Kit Localization
•Power Cord - 1.8 Meters
•DualPoint Keyboard
•No HP Mobile Broadband
•Intel 7265 802.11 b/g/n/ac (2x2) + Bluetooth 4.0

Thanks for the find!
Now we are talking!

 

[Abwx]

http://www8.hp.com/h20195/v2/GetDocument.aspx?docname=4AA6-3218ENUC

http://www8.hp.com/h20195/v2/GetDocument.aspx?docname=4AA6-3219ENUC

 

[DrMrLordX]

The following config comes to 795 dollars shipped.

Interesting configuration. I wonder what the cTDP rating is for the APU in there?

 

[desura]

All I gotta say is man, AMD and the entire industry would be completely different if they had gotten their shit together and gotten an APU into the macbook. All of these crap AMD systems wouldn't exist, because the design chops of Apple would have overall improved the AMD ecosystem.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Well, sure. But Apple wanted Iris Pro, not mobile Kaveri or . . . whatever else.

 

[gorion]

First x4 845 benches:
http://www.planet3dnow.de/vbulletin...mernoch-DDR3?p=5072240&viewfull=1#post5072240

 

[AtenRa]

First x4 845 benches:
http://www.planet3dnow.de/vbulletin...mernoch-DDR3?p=5072240&viewfull=1#post5072240

Nice thanks,

Well something is wrong with R15

 

[Dresdenboy]

First x4 845 benches:
http://www.planet3dnow.de/vbulletin...mernoch-DDR3?p=5072240&viewfull=1#post5072240

I found, that FlanK3r posted them first on XS and even more:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?294810-Excavator-first-point-of-view-by-FlanK3r

 

[AtenRa]

Hell single core performance in CB 11.5 is close to a 4.3GHz Kaveri and the Carrizo is only 65W TDP at 3.8GHz Turbo.

Did he run R15 with single channel ram ??

 

[monstercameron]

Why is it even locked?

 

[Shehriazad]

Why is it even locked?

I'd guess to stop making every other product for FM2+ extremely obsolete?
Or it might be a technical limitation that they don't want to have around....like...the thing might fall apart quickly after 3.8 ghz (This is just an uneducated guess).


Like...if you were to assume that this thing OCs to the same level as Kaveri and reaches 4.7 Ghz...it might actually beat quite a few OC'd Pentiums and i3's as well...it would also beat their entire FM2+ 4core and 4/6 core FX lineup...the chip would single-handedly mess them up.

If everyone were to rush toward that chip because it's cheap but can actually (once OC'd) play all of the big boy games/apps and also punches some Pentium and i3 Intel stuff in the face...there is no way people are going to want to buy their NEW DDR4 based chipset anytime soon.


I for one still got my Asrock FM2+ ITX board...and I'll certainly try to push out every single mhz out of it via bclk.

 

[Yuriman]

It's possible that the limited cache is the cause of r15 running more slowly?

How do AMD's turbo bins work? Does it go up to 3.8ghz on all 4 cores, or just one? It would make sense if it were 4/3.5, 3/3.6, 2/3.7, and 1/3.8.

 

[Lepton87]

Hell single core performance in CB 11.5 is close to a 4.3GHz Kaveri and the Carrizo is only 65W TDP at 3.8GHz Turbo.

Did he run R15 with single channel ram ??

If the results were equal that would mean the IPC would improve by 13% a nice improvement in IPC nowadays considering the mediocre improvements we have been getting since SB but nothing groundbreaking. If it could clock as well as Vishera (4.7GHz-5GHz stock) such an SKU could really challenge Intel's mid-range CPUs.

 

[The Stilt]

The Athlon X4 845 appears to be throttling even at stock, due TDP limit being reached It is no surprise really, since the FX-8800P already consumes 45-50W when the CPU cores are locked to the maximum speed (3400MHz).

Athlon X4 845 is rated for significantly higher voltages than the mobile Carrizo APUs, so the 65W TDP limit might be pretty maxed out even at stock.

 

[SPBHM]

maybe it's throttling on CB15?
also, 1.45v seems really high yes, maybe undervolting can help?

and... it's really strange, on cb11.5 it's .95 faster than my old i3 2100, on cb15 it's .10 slower

 

[CHADBOGA]

First x4 845 benches:
http://www.planet3dnow.de/vbulletin...mernoch-DDR3?p=5072240&viewfull=1#post5072240

After how demonised Super Pi has been by AMD fans for so many years now, it was truly heart warming to see the excitement generated by an AMD CPU on Super Pi. :awe:

 

[The Stilt]

Athlon X4 845 should score > 300 in Cinebench R15 at default clocks.

 

[deasd]

The only reason I think of why Carrizo rocks on R11.5 but sucks on R15 is just due to the compiler. Cinebench is not good benchmark right now.

 

[monstercameron]

The only reason I think of why Carrizo rocks on R11.5 but sucks on R15 is just due to the compiler. Cinebench is not good benchmark right now.

well amd no longer makes their own compiler but instead patches llvm and gcc, so they have to take what they can.

 

[dark zero]

The Athlon X4 845 appears to be throttling even at stock, due TDP limit being reached It is no surprise really, since the FX-8800P already consumes 45-50W when the CPU cores are locked to the maximum speed (3400MHz).

Athlon X4 845 is rated for significantly higher voltages than the mobile Carrizo APUs, so the 65W TDP limit might be pretty maxed out even at stock.

If the Carrizo is throthling... is a MASSIVE dissaster. By far worse than Kaveri and seems that AMD tried to show us the consequences of misusing a low powered tech on a high power environment.

 

[monstercameron]

If the Carrizo is throthling... is a MASSIVE dissaster. By far worse than Kaveri and seems that AMD tried to show us the consequences of misusing a low powered tech on a high power environment.

fm2+ is mid range and this is a noted locked chip, please try to keep your hyperbole to a minimum

 

[MrTeal]

The only reason I think of why Carrizo rocks on R11.5 but sucks on R15 is just due to the compiler. Cinebench is not good benchmark right now.

The ST performance on Carrizo is fine, it's just the multiplier. It's not just an AMD thing either, since the Kaveri chips in the image AtenRa posted show ~3.5x scaling in MT. Something else is causing an issue when running R15 multithreaded.

 

[dark zero]

fm2+ is mid range and this is a noted locked chip, please try to keep your hyperbole to a minimum

I would say that I was exagerating unless there is this...

At 2.5 Ghz

Another one...

Not that far than OCed AM1... that is bad news since the performance difference is not that abyssmal... and considering that AM1 is Single Channel and is a Small Core...

 

[Dresdenboy]

The Athlon X4 845 appears to be throttling even at stock, due TDP limit being reached It is no surprise really, since the FX-8800P already consumes 45-50W when the CPU cores are locked to the maximum speed (3400MHz).

Athlon X4 845 is rated for significantly higher voltages than the mobile Carrizo APUs, so the 65W TDP limit might be pretty maxed out even at stock.

Is the Carrizo voltage higher than Kaveri's at similar clocks?

It just fits:

What will they do for BR to provide 4 GHz + dGPU? IVR?