AMD Catalyst 15.7 Driver is now available!

[guskline]

Rvenger: I watched the video and yes, he said they are not due CF compatible due to driver. I wonder if he forgot to get briefed on the 15,7 drivers?:biggrin: or was he worried about selling new cards?

In either case, the news that the 390 can CF with a 290 should help AMD (and perhaps the resale 290 market!)

 

[Rvenger]

Except most would not want to CF an 8gb card with a 4gb so the small amount of 8gb 290x owners would benefit more from this.

 

[loccothan]

Im on Win_X b.10162 now and DX12 due to some MS bug don't work.
I have a Question is that drv. working in DX12 in b.10166 ?

 

[Elixer]

Im on Win_X b.10162 now and DX12 due to some MS bug don't work.
I have a Question is that drv. working in DX12 in b.10166 ?

run dxdiag, it will tell you which version of DX drivers support.

 

[96Firebird]

also another bad marketing move to lock out the driver for the reviews to make older hawaii look worse.

Is this confirmed? Do they perform the same on the same drivers?

If so, that is distasteful.

 

[3DVagabond]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2947...upport-between-r300-and-r200-radeon-gpus.html



Suspicions confirmed. Great for current R9 290/x owners but Huddy was incorrect when he said it was not possible, also another bad marketing move to lock out the driver for the reviews to make older hawaii look worse. Kind of the same way Nvidia did with Kepler. Both of these companies need to stop playing illusion games.

Source where Huddy said it is not crossfire compatible - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuA3T9MzNic 2 mins in.

More likely they just didn't have time to certify it for 200 series. I would have an easier time believing it if it wasn't out of character for AMD. I mean, would they do something like this and then allow Crossfire compatibility with last gen?

 

[guskline]

Yes DX12 IS running in build 10166 which I am on right now with Sapphire Tri-X R9 290s in CF with a 3770k.

 

[guskline]

More likely they just didn't have time to certify it for 200 series. I would have an easier time believing it if it wasn't out of character for AMD. I mean, would they do something like this and then allow Crossfire compatibility with last gen?

AMD has a decent reputation for supporting older cards.

 

[SPBHM]

AMD has a decent reputation for supporting older cards.

as far as I can remember they dropped support for DX9 and DX10 cards way before NV, also, NV 2010 cards support DX12, AMD 2010-2011 cards do not.

 

[Makaveli]

as far as I can remember they dropped support for DX9 and DX10 cards way before NV, also, NV 2010 cards support DX12, AMD 2010-2011 cards do not.

the 7xxx radeons are dx12 cards and they came out in 2011

 

[Rvenger]

the 7xxx radeons are dx12 cards and they came out in 2011

Hawaii was the first DX 12.0 Feature level supported card. Tahiti is 11.1 max.

 

[monstercameron]

as far as I can remember they dropped support for DX9 and DX10 cards way before NV, also, NV 2010 cards support DX12, AMD 2010-2011 cards do not.

amd only dropped support for their vliw chips under windows, still being maintained under linux.

 

[MongGrel]

Wading through the everything is one of the main things I do not like about AMD cards.

Never have.

But I imagine it's all over these days.

 

[Makaveli]

Hawaii was the first DX 12.0 Feature level supported card. Tahiti is 11.1 max.

I'm aware of the different features levels between the previous and current generations of gpus.

With the example he gave this would also apply to Fermi since it will have Dx11 and not 11.1.

 

[3DVagabond]

Hawaii was the first DX 12.0 Feature level supported card. Tahiti is 11.1 max.

That's feature level, not API support. All GCN cards support DX12.

 

[destrekor]

That's feature level, not API support. All GCN cards support DX12.

Well FL12_0 is pretty important. You can support the API all day long, but there will be very minimal improvements offered when only the API itself is supported and not the new feature level.

It's part of the reason Microsoft has said to not expect all that much out of DX12 for the XONE. A majority of the low-level improvements have already been implemented in a custom API blend for the XONE, and when DX12 arrives, it won't really bring that much new. I believe all of the current FL12_0 is already supported in the GCN chip in the XONE, so the only improvements will be what DX12 itself brings to the table.

Which is all to say, DX12 support without FL12_0 will bring very little, considering it won't bring that much to a system that already has much of what FL12_0 has to offer.

 

[Red Hawk]

That's feature level, not API support. All GCN cards support DX12.

That distinction sounds pretty worthless. You can market your card as "supporting DirectX 12", but if you still only support feature level 11.1, it doesn't sound like you're going to get the actual benefits of DirectX 12.

 

[3DVagabond]

Well FL12_0 is pretty important. You can support the API all day long, but there will be very minimal improvements offered when only the API itself is supported and not the new feature level.

It's part of the reason Microsoft has said to not expect all that much out of DX12 for the XONE. A majority of the low-level improvements have already been implemented in a custom API blend for the XONE, and when DX12 arrives, it won't really bring that much new. I believe all of the current FL12_0 is already supported in the GCN chip in the XONE, so the only improvements will be what DX12 itself brings to the table.

Which is all to say, DX12 support without FL12_0 will bring very little, considering it won't bring that much to a system that already has much of what FL12_0 has to offer.

You can't compare Xbox1 not getting much of an increase to DX11 because Xbox1 is already running a low level API.

 

[3DVagabond]

That distinction sounds pretty worthless. You can market your card as "supporting DirectX 12", but if you still only support feature level 11.1, it doesn't sound like you're going to get the actual benefits of DirectX 12.

We'll see. Tahiti offers support for DX12 features that aren't available in DX11.

 

[destrekor]

You can't compare Xbox1 not getting much of an increase to DX11 because Xbox1 is already running a low level API.

But the increase in performance it already has is in the features found in FL12_0.

I believe it has been said that FL11_3 will be basically the same as FL12_0 minus the additional bonuses found in the 12.0 API. And at the same time I have seen that the XONE has essentially FL11_3 already due to the custom work between AMD and Microsoft. It won't gain much because the actual API itself doesn't have an extensive amount to offer on its own. There are gains to be had, for sure, but the extensive performance improvements are also due to what is found in the feature level.

 

[SPBHM]

the 7xxx radeons are dx12 cards and they came out in 2011

7000 series hit the market in 2012 (7970 in January, other during the following months)

while the 480 was launched in march 2010 and supports DX12, the cards AMD released after that, including the newer VLIW 4 architecture (6970), and APUs from 2012-2013 (like Richland) are out of luck (stuck with WDDM 1.3, DX11)

amd only dropped support for their vliw chips under windows, still being maintained under linux.

they dropped support to soon, specially for the HD 2000/3000 but also for the 4000s

and linux you say?
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amdnv-phoronix-11&num=2

it's a mess even for the 2011 VLIW cards... and GCN.

 

[monstercameron]

7000 series hit the market in 2012 (7970 in January, other during the following months)

while the 480 was launched in march 2010 and supports DX12, the cards AMD released after that, including the newer VLIW 4 architecture (6970), and APUs from 2012-2013 (like Richland) are out of luck (stuck with WDDM 1.3, DX11)




they dropped support to soon, specially for the HD 2000/3000 but also for the 4000s

and linux you say?
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amdnv-phoronix-11&num=2

it's a mess even for the 2011 VLIW cards... and GCN.

how old are those cards? also they are maintaining those cards under linux with the r600, radeonsi and amdgpu drivers, they have dropped the performance fglrx drivers for older cards though.

yeah, linux is weird.

 

[3DVagabond]

But the increase in performance it already has is in the features found in FL12_0.

I believe it has been said that FL11_3 will be basically the same as FL12_0 minus the additional bonuses found in the 12.0 API. And at the same time I have seen that the XONE has essentially FL11_3 already due to the custom work between AMD and Microsoft. It won't gain much because the actual API itself doesn't have an extensive amount to offer on its own. There are gains to be had, for sure, but the extensive performance improvements are also due to what is found in the feature level.

Well, rather than go back and forth, as neither of us really know anything technical, we'll have to wait and see.

 

[SPBHM]

how old are those cards? also they are maintaining those cards under linux with the r600, radeonsi and amdgpu drivers, they have dropped the performance fglrx drivers for older cards though.

yeah, linux is weird.

a lot older now than they were when AMD started to abandon support, I remember people being affected by the lack of HD 3800s support with Skyrim years ago,

8000 series support was a lot better, as is Fermi vs VLIW5/4

luckily for AMD Linux gaming is irrelevant, but looking at that reviews is pretty clear that Nvidia is far ahead.

 

[monstercameron]

a lot older now than they were when AMD started to abandon support, I remember people being affected by the lack of HD 3800s support with Skyrim years ago,

8000 series support was a lot better, as is Fermi vs VLIW5/4

luckily for AMD Linux gaming is irrelevant, but looking at that reviews is pretty clear that Nvidia is far ahead.

with such a vague comment, anything could be possible.