AMD CFO Thomas Seifert Resigns

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I cant see a bright future for AMD.

Thankfully its growing on the SOC and HBA´s market, so there is a future.
 
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Mubadala (ATIC's owner) owns 20% of AMD. That's why the crap with GloFo seems to all be a charade.
 

sontin

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How did AMD lose to Nvidia for the current round of Macbook Pros and iMacs with dedicated graphics? That's a big loss in terms of cash (5 million+ GPUs across all models per quarter term?). Did Nvidia's products beat the rival AMD GPUs in OpenCL performance at set price points, because I figured AMD had OpenCL locked down pretty hard or was it just Tahiti that truly outdid Nvidia?

Oh, AMD.........

GK107 is optimized for Perf/Watt. The chip is much better than Cape Verde when power consumption limits the performance. Even in the desktop version the GTX650 is using less power for the same performance than the 7750 and the GTX650 running with 1058MHz!

And AMD did not only lost Apple they lost the whole OEM notebook market to nVidia. I think there is not one Cape Verde notebook out...
 

Roland00Address

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GK107 is optimized for Perf/Watt. The chip is much better than Cape Verde when power consumption limits the performance. Even in the desktop version the GTX650 is using less power for the same performance than the 7750 and the GTX650 running with 1058MHz!

And AMD did not only lost Apple they lost the whole OEM notebook market to nVidia. I think there is not one Cape Verde notebook out...

Dell, HP, and Lenovo all have laptops out that use the 7730m to 7770m gpu (512 GCN shader gpu). That said the notebook oem's primarly went with nvidia in this go around going with the nvidia 640m to 660m which is faster for the same wattage, has optimus, and you don't have to deal with radeon's enduro graphics software.

When notebook check can only get to test 1 sku for a graphic card and is only able to get 1 company to supply that sku that is saying sad things on the amount of sales on radeon part.
 

sontin

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Dell, HP, and Lenovo all have laptops out that use the 7730m to 7770m gpu (512 GCN shader gpu). That said the notebook oem's primarly went with nvidia in this go around going with the nvidia 640m to 660m which is faster for the same wattage, has optimus, and you don't have to deal with radeon's enduro graphics software.

Cape Verde is 78xxm and Pitcairn 79xxm.
Here in germany i find one notebook with a 78xxm card and it costs 1800€...
 
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Dammit. Just when I was feeling smart for having scooped up more shares last week @ $3.63...

Oh well. 10% is definitely an overreaction to the loss of a bookkeeper - AMD's money problems stem from product. Hopefully the market holds its pants up for the next week or so because I expect this drop will correct itself shortly.

Buying AMD in the $3 range is incredibly smart, especially since the stock lost >50% of its value because of one bad quarter on the back of several earnings beats.

I've backed up the truck at these levels. My "speculative" stock budget is now 70% AMD. (Granted, my "speculative" budget isn't particularly high)
 
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Idontcare

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Buying AMD in the $3 range is incredibly smart, especially since the stock lost >50% of its value because of one bad quarter on the back of several earnings beats.

I've backed up the truck at these levels. My "speculative" stock budget is now 70% AMD.

Just be careful, that is exactly the mindset that leads to people getting themselves caught in a so-called "value trap".

Definition of 'Value Trap'

A stock that appears to be cheap because the stock has been trading at low multiples of earnings, cash flow or book value for an extended time period. Stock traps attract investors who are looking for a bargain because these stocks are inexpensive. The trap springs when investors buy into the company at low prices and the stock never improves. Trading that occurs at low multiples of earnings, cash flow or book value for long periods of time might indicate that the company or the entire sector is in trouble, and that stock prices may not move higher.

Investopedia explains 'Value Trap'

Companies, and even sectors, can be doomed, because of situations such as the inability to survive competition, the inability to generate substantial and consistent profits, the lack of new products or earnings growth, or ineffective management. Often, a value trap appears to be such a good deal that investors become confused when the stock fails to perform. As with any investment decision, thorough research and evaluation is recommended before investing in any company that appears cheap when reviewing its relevant performance metrics.
I'm not passing judgement on your market analyses or reasoning for buying AMD (I'm tempted to pick some up myself), but I've been bit before by the thinking that "compared to be before, this stock is as cheap as chips, time to double up!" only to watch it get cut in half yet again I don't want that to happen to you or anyone else.

Buy AMD for the right reasons, based on your expectations of the price going up because of earnings and so on and not because their stock price is seemingly under-appreciated for what appears to be no good reason. That is a setup for a perfect value-trap.
 
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Just be careful, that is exactly the mindset that leads to people getting themselves caught in a so-called "value trap".


I'm not passing judgement on your market analyses or reasoning for buying AMD (I'm tempted to pick some up myself), but I've been bit before by the thinking that "compared to be before, this stock is as cheap as chips, time to double up!" only to watch it get cut in half yet again I don't want that to happen to you or anyone else.

Buy AMD for the right reasons, based on your expectations of the price going up because of earnings and so on and not because their stock price is seemingly under-appreciated for what appears to be no good reason. That is a setup for a perfect value-trap.

Aw, thanks IDC! Hehe, don't worry -- my reasons for being long AMD are much more numerous than its apparently cheap valuation
 

ShintaiDK

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AMD stock aint smart in any way. Its very volatile and the company is in a downward spiral. I remember people saying the exact same thing when the stock was 20, 8, 4 etc. If it was so good a buy, the people much smarter than you would already have bought it. And without any emotions or feelings with tech companies.
 
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AMD stock aint smart in any way. Its very volatile and the company is in a downward spiral. I remember people saying the exact same thing when the stock was 20, 8, 4 etc. If it was so good a buy, the people much smarter than you would already have bought it. And without any emotions or feelings with tech companies.

The "smart money" was also selling me shares in the $4.50 - $5 level last year. It was also selling me Intel shares at $19-20. Held a bag for a while, but did pretty well there earlier this year. Had some unsuccessful attempts at trading in the $5 range recently though, but at $3.xx, I think risk/reward is in my favor.
 
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ShintaiDK

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Intel stocks is abit different, you get yearly dividends payed out.

And you think. So when you bought at 3.xx and the stock is below 3. Then who won again? Its never in your favour.
 
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Intel stocks is abit different, you get yearly dividends payed out.

And you think. So when you bought at 3.xx and the stock is below 3. Then who won again? Its never in your favour.

$0.90/year dividend is pathetic compared to the massive capital losses Intel shareholders have seen over the last several months.

While I do own Intel, I much prefer AMD for potential capital appreciation. AMD could double over the next six months...Intel won't.
 

ShintaiDK

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$0.90/year dividend is pathetic compared to the massive capital losses Intel shareholders have seen over the last several months.

While I do own Intel, I much prefer AMD for potential capital appreciation. AMD could double over the next six months...Intel won't.

Good luck with that. Else you can always hit the casino or lottery.
 

Centauri

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AMD can bleed cash until the cows come home. ATi operating competitively and profitably from within guarantees a bottom for AMD stock, which a lot of people feel has been hit.
 

Roland00Address

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Cape Verde is 78xxm and Pitcairn 79xxm.
Here in germany i find one notebook with a 78xxm card and it costs 1800€...

Cape Verde Pro has 512 gcn stream processors. This is used by the 7750 desktop and the 7700m laptop chips
Cape Verde XT has 640 gcn stream processors. This is used by the 7770 desktop and the 7800m laptop chips

Pitcairn Pro has 1024 gcn stream processors. This is used by the 7850 desktop and no laptop chips
Pitcairn XT has 1280 gcn stream processors. This is used by the 7870 desktop, the 7950m and 7970m laptop chips

Tahiti Pro has 1792 gcn stream processors. This is used by the 7950 desktop and no laptop chips
Tahiti XT has 2048 gcn stream processors. This is used by the 7950 desktop and no laptop chips
 
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AMD can bleed cash until the cows come home. ATi operating competitively and profitably from within guarantees a bottom for AMD stock, which a lot of people feel has been hit.

Hearing the arguments against AMD over the weekend has only made me more confident.

Everyone thinks AMD is "bleeding cash", but it's not. Revenues and cash flow have shrunken due to the general PC weakness + execution blunder in the last quarter, but I think these are temporary problems. I could be dead wrong, and if I am, I'll lose money. But long term, AMD ain't going anywhere. My time horizon is long enough to be able to wait it out, either way.
 
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Centauri

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What I should have said, more precisely, is that AMD is probably in a situation where the remnants of ATi are firing on all cylinders and, if not keeping the company as a whole afloat, then contributing massively to its current viability; if the GPU situation were as 'interesting' as the CPU situation, I don't think I'd let anybody I know touch AMD stock let alone be grabbing it up myself.

The now-lambasted ATi purchase may be seen, in several years, as the one thing that did wind up allowing AMD to weather this period without being taken over itself or going under.

I'm happy. My average price is just over $5/share. I'll let it do its thing for a year or two.
 
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Olikan

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AMD can bleed cash until the cows come home. ATi operating competitively and profitably from within guarantees a bottom for AMD stock, which a lot of people feel has been hit.

no, just no...

bobcat broke the most selling chip for amd,
it have near 40% market share against atom
(they are better today than the A64 days, just because of this tiny cat)
 

Ajay

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no, just no...

bobcat broke the most selling chip for amd,
it have near 40% market share against atom
(they are better today than the A64 days, just because of this tiny cat)

Yeah, and the layoff struck engineering the hardest, IIRC. Finance and HR were left in better shape (HR - really!).
 

Ferzerp

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I always giggle to myself at that slide.

Yes, if you have the best product and still can't make a profit, you need to shift your strategy, but I'm not so sure that the answer is to make an inferior product... Maybe look elsewhere in your organization for the causes?
 

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What I should have said, more precisely, is that AMD is probably in a situation where the remnants of ATi are firing on all cylinders and, if not keeping the company as a whole afloat, then contributing massively to its current viability; if the GPU situation were as 'interesting' as the CPU situation, I don't think I'd let anybody I know touch AMD stock let alone be grabbing it up myself.

The now-lambasted ATi purchase may be seen, in several years, as the one thing that did wind up allowing AMD to weather this period without being taken over itself or going under.

Have you actually looked at AMD's profit breakdown? Ati makes very little money - famously they made $2 million profit when the 5870 was top of the world and nvidia had no DX11 parts at all. The cpu's still make more money.

That said ati as an entity is probably more purchasable as it's not so license bound and has more areas it can be re-used. No one wants AMD's x86 cpu business due to that being Intel's market and who wants to fight Intel there?
 

Blitzvogel

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Have you actually looked at AMD's profit breakdown? Ati makes very little money - famously they made $2 million profit when the 5870 was top of the world and nvidia had no DX11 parts at all. The cpu's still make more money.

That said ati as an entity is probably more purchasable as it's not so license bound and has more areas it can be re-used. No one wants AMD's x86 cpu business due to that being Intel's market and who wants to fight Intel there?

Are you saying the graphics division on it's own made $2 mil (and was that during a quarter?)? Or are you saying that AMD overall had made $2 mil? As turbulent as the past few years have been for AMD, a $2 million profit at least means all the bills for that part of the company were paid and a bit of change was made. Better to come out neutral or slightly positive than coming out in the red.
 

NostaSeronx

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Yeah, and the layoff struck engineering the hardest, IIRC. Finance and HR were left in better shape (HR - really!).
I don't consider marketing an "engineering" career.

You don't see:
AMD on TV
AMD on Internet Ads
AMD on Radio Ads

So, why even have marketing to begin with?

Engineers are now doing double duty at AMD, Marketing and Engineering.
 

happysmiles

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I don't consider marketing an "engineering" career.

You don't see:
AMD on TV
AMD on Internet Ads
AMD on Radio Ads

So, why even have marketing to begin with?

Engineers are now doing double duty at AMD, Marketing and Engineering.

Exactly.

We've all seen iconic ads that have sold the product so well they themselves become iconic.

The only computer ad I remember were the 3 blue guys with the Intel jingle at the end.
 
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