AMD Computex Live Stream

[Glo.]

One thing that's MIA is talk about VR specific features. Looks like NV is going to be the leader in that department.

DirectX12 came to live for VR. You do not need any specific features, unless your hardware lacks compatibility with DX12 features, to run VR games.

Vulkan and DirectX12 are VR APIs. Remember this. That is all what they came to life for.

 

[AtenRa]

Personally im very disappointed from the AMD Computex 2016 event, no Polaris running Doom on vulkan, no AM4 release, only $199 dGPU (where is the $300 card ??).

As an enthusiast this event was simple not interesting and this "I AM ZEN" thing was fail.

 

[khon]

Personally im very disappointed from the AMD Computex 2016 event, no Polaris running Doom on vulkan, no AM4 release, only $199 dGPU (where is the $300 card ??).

As an enthusiast this event was simple not interesting and this "I AM ZEN" thing was fail.

Even if you don't intend to this $199 dGPU, the fact that it is available will make a difference to you for two reasons

1. It will change prices for a lot of other graphics cards

2. It will make VR-level performance available to a much wider audience, which means game developers will work more on these games.

 

[Krteq]

Interesting launch

A launch? There was any launch?

 

[ShintaiDK]

That's a pretty slick looking reference card I have to say.

It looks exactly like a 670 blower card.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Even if you don't intend to this $199 dGPU, the fact that it is available will make a difference to you for two reasons

1. It will change prices for a lot of other graphics cards

2. It will make VR-level performance available to a much wider audience, which means game developers will work more on these games.

Its priced at 199$ for the 4GB version because that's what its worth. nothing more. Its a 150W ~Hawaii card.

 

[khon]

Its priced at 199$ for the 4GB version because that's what its worth. nothing more. Its a 150W ~Hawaii card.

It's faster than 970/R9 390, both of which sell for $300+ right now. That's a big improvement in performance per dollar.

 

[AtenRa]

Even if you don't intend to this $199 dGPU, the fact that it is available will make a difference to you for two reasons

1. It will change prices for a lot of other graphics cards

2. It will make VR-level performance available to a much wider audience, which means game developers will work more on these games.

Personally i dont care about VR, and TODAY the vast majority of Gamers dont even consider VR for the next one two years. And yes Hawaii performance at $199 is good but hardly any exciting for 2016 new 14nm FF GPUs.

 

[AtenRa]

Its priced at 199$ for the 4GB version because that's what its worth. nothing more. Its a 150W ~Hawaii card.

You do understand that RX480 renders GTX970/980 obsolete, do you ?? :sneaky:

 

[jj109]

2. It will make VR-level performance available to a much wider audience, which means game developers will work more on these games.

Stop drinking the marketing Kool-Aid. GPUs aren't the bottleneck to VR availability.

What does Polaris do about the $600 starting price for the headset itself? Or the $200 on top of that to get the Vive for motion controls? When Oculus finally launches Touch, that's going to bring both systems to 800 USD. Add taxes, shipping, and high priced games and we're over $1000 USD for either system.

Most enthusiasts already willing to drop at least a grand in US dollars on 1st-gen PC VR aren't going to be put off by another $100 in GPUs. The ones that are already got put off by the hefty ask on the VR side.

Maybe when the 2nd generation rolls around with more accessibly priced headsets, the GPU angle will make sense.

 

[ShintaiDK]

You do understand that RX480 renders GTX970/980 obsolete, do you ?? :sneaky:

1080 and 1070 already did. Not to mention GP106

 

[AtenRa]

1080 and 1070 already did.

You forgot it also renders GTX960 obsolete as well, leaving NVIDIA with $400+ GPUs on the market only.

 

[jj109]

GP106 would also render GTX960 obsolete, but who knows when Nvidia is going to launch it. They must have been sitting on it for a while.

That's the fun thing about month long paper launches, right? No one knows what's going to happen when the product finally launches.

 

[ShintaiDK]

You forgot it also renders GTX960 obsolete as well, leaving NVIDIA with $400+ GPUs on the market only.

You act like there wont come anything lower. There will. All pascal dies are ready.

That means GP108, GP107, GP106, GP104, GP102, GP100.

AMD in conjunction with Nvidia killed of Fiji, Hawaii and Tonga.

AMD got Polaris 10 and 11 to fight until Vega sometime in 2017.

 

[AtenRa]

You act like there wont come anything lower. There will. All pascal dies are ready.

That means GP108, GP107, GP106, GP104, GP102, GP100.

AMD in conjunction with Nvidia killed of Fiji, Hawaii and Tonga.

The difference here is that AMD will have $199 to $300 cards replacing Fiji, Hawaii and Tonga, when NVIDIA will sell obsolete GTX960/970 and 980. The only new cards NVIDIA will sell are at the $400+ low volume segment.

 

[mohit9206]

When AMD showed that slide comparing that $700 card in Ashes of Singularity with Dual RX480 they could have used $400 rather than showing $500.It would have looked MUCH better.
Also instead of quoting 150W TDP they should have instead mentioned the actual power used when gaming.That would be around 120W? That would have looked great too.
If Nvidia can use these sly tactics then why does AMD not? Sometimes being completely honest in marketing can be detrimental to sales.You HAVE to make your product look much better than competition even if you have to twist the facts a little bit.
Other than that good showing by AMD.Kudos to Raja Koduri for achieving the goal of VR for the masses for $199 only.

 

[ShintaiDK]

The difference here is that AMD will have $199 to $300 cards replacing Fiji, Hawaii and Tonga, when NVIDIA will sell obsolete GTX960/970 and 980. The only new cards NVIDIA will sell are at the $400+ low volume segment.

Again, you assume no new cards coming. Yet even an AIB leaked GP106. And we know Nvidia got other chips ready too. Nvidia get a free lunch in the high performance/highend segment. AMD gets to compete in the lower mainstream/value segment with Nvidia.

 

[AtenRa]

When AMD showed that slide comparing that $700 card in Ashes of Singularity with Dual RX480 they could have used $400 rather than showing $500.It would have looked MUCH better.
Also instead of quoting 150W TDP they should have instead mentioned the actual power used when gaming.That would be around 120W? That would have looked great too.
If Nvidia can use these sly tactics then why does AMD not? Sometimes being completely honest in marketing can be detrimental to sales.You HAVE to make your product look much better than competition even if you have to twist the facts a little bit.
Other than that good showing by AMD.Kudos to Raja Koduri for achieving the goal of VR for the masses for $199 only.

It is <$500 no $500

 

[ShintaiDK]

It is <$500 no $500

And its done in a title that heavily favours AMD.

Dont get your hopes up for actual game titles...

 

[tential]

AMD already off to a more than rocky start. Seriously AMD, don't host a launch party or anything. Just announce the card specs and give us a price. Any presentation AMD does on their hardware makes me want it a LOT less.

 

[showb1z]

Also instead of quoting 150W TDP they should have instead mentioned the actual power used when gaming.That would be around 120W? That would have looked great too.
If Nvidia can use these sly tactics then why does AMD not? Sometimes being completely honest in marketing can be detrimental to sales.You HAVE to make your product look much better than competition even if you have to twist the facts a little bit.

Indeed, it's baffling really.
120W or whatever it will be would've sent a much clearer message. Now it gets all muddled by the people who don't know what TDP means, and the ones who pretend not to know what it means.
Instead they put in VR and the only game benchmark is crossfire. Meh, should've put in some DX12 Hitman.

 

[selni]

You do understand that RX480 renders GTX970/980 obsolete, do you ?? :sneaky:

Well, so did them getting replaced by the 1070/80. The 1070 is quite a bit more expensive than the 970 I guess, but the 980 is already completely dead.

 

[R0H1T]

Indeed, it's baffling really.
120W or whatever it will be would've sent a much clearer message. Now it gets all muddled by the people who don't know what TDP means, and the ones who pretend not to know what it means.
Instead they put in VR and the only game benchmark is crossfire. Meh, should've put in some DX12 Hitman.

That's likely because they're leaving enough headroom for OC models to debut without having to go to an 8 pin, unlike many of the 1080 custom models which need additional power connector, this way they can keep a lid on the perf/W going out of the window.

 

[tential]

You act like there wont come anything lower. There will. All pascal dies are ready.

That means GP108, GP107, GP106, GP104, GP102, GP100.

AMD in conjunction with Nvidia killed of Fiji, Hawaii and Tonga.

AMD got Polaris 10 and 11 to fight until Vega sometime in 2017.

If all pascal dies are ready, why is Nvidia just sitting on GP106?

Why not release GP106 today, and rain on AMD's parade and stop the P10 launch dead in its tracks...

 

[selni]

If all pascal dies are ready, why is Nvidia just sitting on GP106?

Why not release GP106 today, and rain on AMD's parade and stop the P10 launch dead in its tracks...

To try to upsell people by only talking about the high end stuff first - NV have done this a few times. The 1080 gets all the press until it's available to buy, then it's the 1070 that gets talked about and so on. Who knows if the lower cards are ready yet or not at this point, but that's why the launch was the way it was.