AMD Confirms, Zen On Track For Q4 2016 Availability On High-End Desktops

[Fjodor2001]

She's the last person to be allowed to do that, and if she does, she ought to be fired right away.

Not sure what you are aiming at? There is no indication from anyone at AMD that Zen is delayed from the previously communicated 2016Q4 release so far, is there? So in that case why assume that it should be delayed?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Not sure what you are aiming at? There is no indication from AMD that Zen is delayed so far, is there?

You know better than that. You are not going to get the CEO or any VP to say anything bad, at least not until after release. See previous AMD releases, specially Faildozer series.

Lisa Su also said Carrizo was fantastic to up over both ears. After release...huge flop of a product.

The graphics group is now without the AMD name. What does that tell you?

 

[Fjodor2001]

You know better than that. You are not going to get the CEO or any VP to say anything bad, at least not until after release. See previous AMD releases, specially Faildozer series.

So you're saying if Zen hypothetically gets released in e.g. 2017Q2, then AMD will not say anything about the delay until after that (2017Q3?)? Oooookay... Don't you think it would be quite obvious by 2017Q3 that it wasn't released in 2016Q4!?

Also, you're saying that by default we should assume that all AMD products are delayed? And it does not matter that the company itself says differently? We should take the word of amateurs speculating on the AT forums without any facts to back it up over the words from AMD? Right...

Lisa Su also said Carrizo was fantastic to up over both ears. After release...huge flop of a product.

The graphics group is now without the AMD name. What does that tell you?

Intel also said that Skylake was "its most important chip architecture in a decade". Now how did that turn out? Regarding such statements from any company we should just take them as PR. Benchmarks are what matter.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Ok, so then by default we should assume that all AMD products are delayed? And it does not matter that the company itself says differently? We should take the word of amateurs speculating on the AT forums without any facts to back it up over the words from AMD? Right...

No, you should learn that the CEO will never say anything bad without a gun to the head. Instead of going all emotional over it.

Remember Lisa Su with a straight face, telling people Fury was an overclockers dream? In other words, whatever the CEO say in events like this. -->> Trashcan.

If you like one from the other side I can mention Intels smartphone efforts. No lack of praise from the CEO and VPs until it hit the fan.

Same goes for NVidia and Tegra.

And I could go on and on about every company.

 

[itsmydamnation]

And the rest of the news that you left out:





So no APU till H2-2017. Hello Cannonlake.

Except that point has never been under contention so how is that "left out"?

 

[Sweepr]

Except that point has never been under contention so how is that "left out"?

I can start a new thread if you want me too. And yes, it was under contention of the original article so no reason not to mention it here.

 

[itsmydamnation]

I can start a new thread if you want me too. And yes, it was under contention of the original article so no reason not to mention it here.

no it wasn't.

What was under content was the line of full year revenue in 2017 meaning no ZEN in 2016. Anyone arguing about anything else simply didn't read the damn transcripts.

No, you should learn that the CEO will never say anything bad without a gun to the head.

In other words, whatever the CEO say in events like this. -->> Trashcan.

If you like one from the other side I can mention Intels smartphone efforts. No lack of praise from the CEO and VPs until it hit the fan.

Then the CEO wouldn't say anything and your comparison is terrible, because one is a hard time frame the other are soft weasel words.

 

[Fjodor2001]

No, you should learn that the CEO will never say anything bad without a gun to the head. Instead of going all emotional over it.

I'm not going emotional, just questioning the logic, or lack thereof. If a product gets substantially delayed, then the company has an obligation to the shareholders to announce that. And obviously ahead of the previously announced launch date, not after as you claimed.

So far we've gotten no indication from AMD that the 2016Q4 release date for Zen is not valid. If anything they've re-assured the 2016Q4 launch date. So anything else is just pure baseless speculation.

 

[Fjodor2001]

No, you should learn that the CEO will never say anything bad without a gun to the head.

In other words, whatever the CEO say in events like this. -->> Trashcan.

If you like one from the other side I can mention Intels smartphone efforts. No lack of praise from the CEO and VPs until it hit the fan.

Then the CEO wouldn't say anything and your comparison is terrible, because one is a hard time frame the other are soft weasel words.

+1. There's a difference between communicated hard release dates and vague statements such as "the product performs excellent". The former companies can be held accountable for if they do not communicate changes to, the latter not.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I'm not going emotional, just questioning the logic, or lack thereof. If a product gets substantially delayed, then the company has an obligation to the shareholders to announce that. And obviously ahead of the previously announced launch date, not after as you claimed.

So far we've gotten no indication from AMD that the 2016Q4 release date for Zen is not valid. If anything they've re-assured the 2016Q4 launch date. So anything else is just pure baseless speculation.

Since when? An announced release date always comes with 117 possible exceptions.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Since when? An announced release date always comes with 117 possible exceptions.

Let me put it this way: Since all Intel CPU releases since and including Ivy Bridge have been delayed, should we assume all coming ones will be as well? So based on previous track record, we should add 1-4 quarters to current roadmaps announced by Intel, despite that Intel has not communicated any such delays themselves?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Let me put it this way: Since all Intel CPU releases since and including Ivy Bridge have been delayed, should we assume all coming ones will be as well? So based on previous track record, we should add 1-4 quarters to current roadmaps announced by Intel, despite that Intel has not communicated any such delays themselves?

While you attempt to be creative, then yes. Until the product is released its only a guideline, an estimate.

 

[mrmt]

Not sure what you are aiming at? There is no indication from anyone at AMD that Zen is delayed from the previously communicated 2016Q4 release so far, is there? So in that case why assume that it should be delayed?

This Q416 target is irrelevant for most consumers, because if Zen is everything AMD is saying it is and the production run is as limited as AMD says, all the units will be absorbed by the workstation and server markets. If we start to see Zen tricking down to the consumer market in 2016 then it means Zen flopped on those markets and shouldn't be worth our attention anyway. So it's either 2017 or nothing as far as consumers are concerned.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Could end up as paper dec 2016 for the checkbox. That's seen before.

 

[Phynaz]

That's exactly what I'm expecting. The idea that Zen will have mass availability this year goes against AMDs own statements.

AMD's going to call sampling "release", and all the fanboys are going to eat it up.

 

[MrTeal]

That's exactly what I'm expecting. The idea that Zen will have mass availability this year goes against AMDs own statements.

AMD's going to call sampling "release", and all the fanboys are going to eat it up.

Not to throw stones, but the release of Broadwell on the desktop wasn't much different. Skylake's been good enough that it's just supply constrained and not effectively a paper launch, but finding Broadwell-C after launch was like pulling teeth.

 

[Sweepr]

That's exactly what I'm expecting. The idea that Zen will have mass availability this year goes against AMDs own statements.

AMD's going to call sampling "release", and all the fanboys are going to eat it up.

They are no strangers to paper launches, if the previous APU releases are any indication.

 

[Phynaz]

Broadwell is not relevant to this thread.

 

[DrMrLordX]

APU? Who the hell wants an APU?

I do. A 4c/8t Raven Ridge with 1024 shaders would be doable on 14nm LPP within an acceptable power envelope. Maybe more shaders would be possible. Throw in some HBM as L4 or *gasp* main memory and it's gold baby, pure gold.

I bet Zen APUs six months later than Zen FX.

Seems plausible. That would put in as a June/July launch, and we know how AMD loves that.

 

[maddie]

Maybe we should petition the mods for an AMD CPU section. Some anti-AMD posters here are sounding like manic individuals.

Quick, crush any positive info on AMD.
Quick, shout down any pro AMD poster.
Quick, make up, down and left, right.
Quick, "creatively" insert fabricated info.


I'm surprised none in this bunch aren't hired already by the presidential campaigns.

Now to Zen release:

Just read this below. First I'm hearing about Socket G. Sounds valid?

http://vrworld.com/2016/01/07/amd-prepares-wrath-first-new-product-in-a-decade/

• Socket AM4 – Launch in March 2016
• Socket ‘G’ – Introduction in H2 2016, Launch in 2017

Socket AM4 is scheduled to launch in March 2016, and will be the home for future desktop / workstation / server APU and CPUs. Initial parts will use 28nm process (so-called ‘7th Gen APU’), migrating to 14nm with Zen-based APU and CPU products by the end of the year.
Socket ‘G’ (unofficial name) represents a brand new Socket for AMD, successor of Socket F. It is an LGA-based design, supporting quad-channel DDR4 memory. This Socket will host enthusiast desktop, workstation and server processors based on Zen architecture. Supports 200W design CPU/APUs.

 

[Arachnotronic]

What a load of BS.

AMD has literally just announced AM4 and was bragging about how it has just one socket for desktop PCs from APUs to CPUs. Now the claim is that they will have a separate socket for "HEDT"?

Also, AMD has officially said Zen APUs not until 2017 and this article says AMD will transition APUs to Zen by EOY 2016?

Bogus article.

 

[frozentundra123456]

That's exactly what I'm expecting. The idea that Zen will have mass availability this year goes against AMDs own statements.

AMD's going to call sampling "release", and all the fanboys are going to eat it up.

Bingo.

 

[MrTeal]

What a load of BS.

AMD has literally just announced AM4 and was bragging about how it has just one socket for desktop PCs from APUs to CPUs. Now the claim is that they will have a separate socket for "HEDT"?

Also, AMD has officially said Zen APUs not until 2017 and this article says AMD will transition APUs to Zen by EOY 2016?

Bogus article.

Yeah, there's a couple issues. For one, Socket F got replaced by Socket G34 half a decade ago. It shouldn't really be a surprise that they're replacing their server socket though. They've been emphasizing Zen for the server market, and it's hard to imagine them not moving to a multi-socket capable quad channel platform.

 

[monstercameron]

nvm

 

[maddie]

Yeah, there's a couple issues. For one, Socket F got replaced by Socket G34 half a decade ago. It shouldn't really be a surprise that they're replacing their server socket though. They've been emphasizing Zen for the server market, and it's hard to imagine them not moving to a multi-socket capable quad channel platform.

OK. Thanks

AM4 = single socket max
Other socket [G is speculative] = multi socket board