Did amd hurt your feelings? :awe:
No substantive counterargument to mrmt's post because it's all true.
you really joking, those two bold above in a AMD thread are not going together.
And you have to go no further than the investors Q&A to see the difference in quality of the management team and forthcoming attitude towards investors. Intel is usually quite blunt and quite direct in terms of how they brief investors to the direction the company is taking. AMD is the usual kool-aid that gets dismissed in the next call.
This is generally the case. However, one thing that did not sit well with me at all was the nonsense they tried to feed investors about them trying to stay "close to the vest" with 10nm timing.
Kabylake has been known internally since at least late 2014, probably much earlier, and yet they did not disclose the existence of this chip architecture (and the implicit 10nm problems) until BenchLife.info spilled the beans on it, forcing their hand.
With respect to the actual business side of things, you are 100% right -- they are typically very forthcoming.
The question is... AM4 is LGA or PGA? That is all.
You should provide a substantive counter-argument to mrmt, because every time I read one of his posts I see a well-reasoned argument grounded in business/economic reality. Most of his detractors seem to have trouble grasping his arguments.
mrmts reality of AMDs business/economics is a distortion of biased analysis that is made specifically to downplay everything it has to do with AMD. He specifically choose and then manipulates parts of reality that suit his agenda and leaves the rest of the facts untouched. His negativity towards AMD is legendary, no matter how good a product is or not, he always finds a single point to manipulate and come with a negative analysis that portrait AMD in the worse possible way, always.
mrmts reality of AMDs business/economics is a distortion of biased analysis that is made specifically to downplay everything it has to do with AMD. He specifically choose and then manipulates parts of reality that suit his agenda and leaves the rest of the facts untouched. His negativity towards AMD is legendary, no matter how good a product is or not, he always finds a single point to manipulate and come with a negative analysis that portrait AMD in the worse possible way, always.
mrmts reality of AMDs business/economics is a distortion of biased analysis that is made specifically to downplay everything it has to do with AMD. He specifically choose and then manipulates parts of reality that suit his agenda and leaves the rest of the facts untouched. His negativity towards AMD is legendary, no matter how good a product is or not, he always finds a single point to manipulate and come with a negative analysis that portrait AMD in the worse possible way, always.
APU? Who the hell wants an APU? I thought people were interested in Zen being a high end desktop part? If someone wants low performance, low power, low cost, low this, low that, low low low boring low low low, they have plenty of crappy options right now regarding which "APU" to choose.
I want to know if Zen is going to give gamers and enthusiasts something to get excited about if they want a lower cost but still kinda high end chip. That's what Zen is supposed to do. So not low cost, but just lower than Intel's good stuff. Zen should be a sandy bridge for like $400 or something. That's what people are excited to hear about.
Problem is, the first reaction in this thread was not towards the AMD brand/history, but rather towards the pro AMD poster.Some of us just don't like how people constantly over-hype a company that has for about a decade now promised the goods only to fail to deliver.
They boasted about Barcelona, bragged about Bulldozer, and now Lisa Su & crew are pumping Zen.
If Zen shows up and is good, then you will see people here be much more receptive to AMD's future claims. Until then, this is a company with a very serious credibility problem.
Let's agree to disagree. I don't want to be responsible for turning this thread into a flame war.
So still no arguments?
When was the last time we saw an Intel executive quoting false performance improvements to the tune of 40%?
Emm,so you are saying the performance improvements touted with Zen are false?? Have you seen some external testing we have not seen??
Dude,show it to us!!
This will be the biggest piece of info about Zen out there!!
Leave him be. He is just contra-positive about all-AMD.
This is generally the case. However, one thing that did not sit well with me at all was the nonsense they tried to feed investors about them trying to stay "close to the vest" with 10nm timing.
Emm,so you are saying the performance improvements touted with Zen are false?? Have you seen some external testing we have not seen??
Dude,show it to us!!
This will be the biggest piece of info about Zen out there!!
No, I'm just saying we should wait for final silicon. AMD executives don't have a good track record in terms of accuracy of the performance figures they provide to their respective audiences so whatever figures they provide should not be taken as granted.
You should provide a substantive counter-argument to mrmt, because every time I read one of his posts I see a well-reasoned argument grounded in business/economic reality. Most of his detractors seem to have trouble grasping his arguments.
Why? It didn't make any sense.
Are you both assuming that since it would be an AMD specific forum that only positive comments would be allowed?
I agree. It's very frustrating. In fact, I don't know why I bother with this place anymore, I would stick to xtremesystems forums but that place is kinda dead. Anyone have other recommendations? I'm not looking for blind enthusiasm, but it doesn't bother me to see a bit of hope around that doesn't immediately get set upon by the "anti-hope police" and the "keepin' it real brigade". NSFW: http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/780208/
Everyone's always talking about how low-mid range APUs are a joke and they want to see high end hardcore CPUs. Then AMD says they'll release one and first thing in this thread is "oh yeah but no APUs huh huh?". Then we have people constantly complaining that release in 2016 is blind fanboy speculation, "where's the source from AMD that it's going to be 2016". Then we have the source here, but now "oh of course AMD is just lying". Everyone knows AMD is in dire straits. What's wrong with hoping for the best. Why don't you guys save yourselves and everyone else some time and write a bot that spams the forums with "f*** AMD" in every thread every 3 posts?
I enjoy posts like Dresdenboy's GCC patch reverse engineering, or the posting of rumors from sites not in English that I would never find on my own. Or details about new process nodes and how they compare. But you gotta wade through all this crap.
I stopped buying intel processors the day they locked out overclocking because after buying an Opty 165 and then a launch day Conroe I promised myself never to spend more than $150 on a CPU again.
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