I second that. I'd venture to claim they're ruining the CPUs and Overclocking section. If anandtech is content with the same jerk-circle from here on out, then just do nothing.
Maybe we should petition the mods for an AMD CPU section. Some anti-AMD posters here are sounding like manic individuals.
Quick, crush any positive info on AMD.
Quick, shout down any pro AMD poster.
Quick, make up, down and left, right.
Quick, "creatively" insert fabricated info.
I'm surprised none in this bunch aren't hired already by the presidential campaigns.
Now to Zen release:
Just read this below. First I'm hearing about Socket G. Sounds valid?
http://vrworld.com/2016/01/07/amd-prepares-wrath-first-new-product-in-a-decade/
Socket AM4 is scheduled to launch in March 2016, and will be the home for future desktop / workstation / server APU and CPUs. Initial parts will use 28nm process (so-called 7th Gen APU), migrating to 14nm with Zen-based APU and CPU products by the end of the year.
- Socket AM4 Launch in March 2016
- Socket G Introduction in H2 2016, Launch in 2017
Socket G (unofficial name) represents a brand new Socket for AMD, successor of Socket F. It is an LGA-based design, supporting quad-channel DDR4 memory. This Socket will host enthusiast desktop, workstation and server processors based on Zen architecture. Supports 200W design CPU/APUs.
I second that.
I second that. I'd venture to claim they're ruining the CPUs and Overclocking section. If anandtech is content with the same jerk-circle from here on out, then just do nothing.
What a load of BS.
AMD has literally just announced AM4 and was bragging about how it has just one socket for desktop PCs from APUs to CPUs. Now the claim is that they will have a separate socket for "HEDT"?
Also, AMD has officially said Zen APUs not until 2017 and this article says AMD will transition APUs to Zen by EOY 2016?
Bogus article.
It does make you wonder what the hell their problem is though. Some people here act like AMD ate their pet cat or something when they were little.
Nobody forcing you buy anything. Period. XDIf Zen shows up and is good, then you will see people here be much more receptive to AMD's future claims. Until then, this is a company with a very serious credibility problem.
Nobody forcing you buy anything. Period. XD
Last post in the CPU section on that site is over a week old...
Believing publicly announced release dates by a company over baseless speculation and FUD by a forum mob is over-hyping? Rrrrright...Some of us just don't like how people constantly over-hype a company that has for about a decade now promised the goods only to fail to deliver.
You could say exactly the same about Intel. How they bragged about Skylake being the "its most important chip architecture in a decade", over-promised on Broadwell Core M, and always says that their next mobile CPU generation is when they'll make a breakthrough. So based on we should conclude that Intel has a serious credibility problem and we should not believe anything they say?They boasted about Barcelona, bragged about Bulldozer, and now Lisa Su & crew are pumping Zen.
Ok, thanks for confirming that your new estimate for Intel's Cannonlake is 2018H1 to 2018H2.While you attempt to be creative, then yes. Until the product is released its only a guideline, an estimate.Let me put it this way: Since all Intel CPU releases since and including Ivy Bridge have been delayed, should we assume all coming ones will be as well? So based on previous track record, we should add 1-4 quarters to current roadmaps announced by Intel, despite that Intel has not communicated any such delays themselves?
It turns out that it gets beaten by Broadwell clocked 500 MHz slower in most games.Intel also said that Skylake was "its most important chip architecture in a decade". Now how did that turn out?
So based on previous track record, we should add 1-4 quarters to current roadmaps announced by Intel, despite that Intel has not communicated any such delays themselves?
It turns out that it gets beaten by Broadwell clocked 500 MHz slower in most games.
There is nothing about my post that supports that statement. I spoke about Broadwell. That means the whole chip.You forgot something: edram
Given the power rating and the 500 MHz slower clock it does beat Skylake in games as a general rule. Skylake should have shown a clear dominance but it doesn't.And it isn't faster everywhere, it is faster where the edram makes a big difference. It can't be faster on most games since they are close together, in most rankings Skylake is ahead actually.
It was just an example. The point is a general one, this more specifically: Are you ok with adding 1-4 quarters to the release date once Intel announces the release date for a CPU? So e.g. if they'll say Broadwell-E is 2016Q2, we should assume it's actually 2016Q3 to 2017Q2? ShintaiDK at least confirmed he is ok with that.Show me the current roadmap of Cannonlake.
There is nothing about my post that supports that statement. I spoke about Broadwell. That means the whole chip.
The lack of Skylake superiority is particularly irksome since Broadwell didn't require the purchase of a new board and RAM for those who already owned a board capable of running it. However, Broadwell is rated for DDR3L which not everyone bought. Still, the cost of replacing a board is quite substantial. DDR3L is not expensive and DDR4 is still not mature.
Believing publicly announced release dates by a company over baseless speculation and FUD by a forum mob is over-hyping? Rrrrright...
You could say exactly the same about Intel. How they bragged about Skylake being the "its most important chip architecture in a decade", over-promised on Broadwell Core M, and always says that their next mobile CPU generation is when they'll make a breakthrough. So based on we should conclude that Intel has a serious credibility problem and we should not believe anything they say?
In that case I think you're completely missing that all companies do these kinds of PR stunts. AMD and Intel is no better or worse than most others in this regard.
It was just an example. The point is a general one, this more specifically: Are you ok with adding 1-4 quarters to the release date once Intel announces the release date for a CPU? So e.g. if they'll say Broadwell-E is 2016Q2, we should assume it's actually 2016Q3 to 2017Q2? ShintaiDK at least confirmed he is ok with that.
But regardless of this start, Intel has a credibility problem when talking about mobile. They didn't deliver and they are having to backtrack, but that problem doesn't come even close to what AMD has in terms of credibility problem as we'll discuss below.
When was the last time we saw an Intel executive quoting false performance improvements to the tune of 40%? Or Intel marketing directors spreading false information on internet forums? Or Intel CEO claiming an overclocker's dream and falling flat? Or Intel GPU team members spreading lies about Microsoft APIs or about Tessellation? Oh, you didn't see Intel guys doing that.
Rrrrrright, because AMD publicly released information was contradicted by real field information as soon as the product was launched, meaning that the information AMD released at the time was either false, incomplete, or both. And yes, they should have a credibility problem.
I'm not sure why do you bring Intel to the table. AMD and Intel aren't two giants fighting the good fight and trading blows all the time. We have a giant, well established company and an embattled underdog that is running out of time, so of course we should treat them different.
But regardless of this start, Intel has a credibility problem when talking about mobile. They didn't deliver and they are having to backtrack, but that problem doesn't come even close to what AMD has in terms of credibility problem as we'll discuss below.
About Skylake, why do you think it wasn't the most important architecture for them? It's very good at low power, the only question pending is how good it is going to be on servers and workstations. The fact that it wasn't very good at desktops is largely irrelevant.
When was the last time we saw an Intel executive quoting false performance improvements to the tune of 40%? Or Intel marketing directors spreading false information on internet forums? Or Intel CEO claiming an overclocker's dream and falling flat? Or Intel GPU team members spreading lies about Microsoft APIs or about Tessellation? Oh, you didn't see Intel guys doing that.
And you have to go no further than the investors Q&A to see the difference in quality of the management team and forthcoming attitude towards investors. Intel is usually quite blunt and quite direct in terms of how they brief investors to the direction the company is taking. AMD is the usual kool-aid that gets dismissed in the next call.
Intel and AMD are not in the same league on this one, except for you it seems.
The problem is that AMD PR is run by Fanboys not professional. That is why you see some miss fire words like overclockers dream, 8 core are 40% faster then sandy bridge, and world fastest card.Nailed it! :thumbsup: