AMD cpu fans OKAY?

[gogloss]

I have a dual AMD Athlon MP 1600 system, with the retail CPU and bunled fan/sink.

Is this the best cpu fan I can get? I'm finding both fans awful loud and they aren't doing the best job of cooling my machine - at bad times cpu temps can get up to 54.

Is there a better heatsink-fan then the retail bundled AMD fans?

If there is a better fan, do I need to replace both the fans and the heatsinks, or can I just replace the fans on the heatsinks?

I've heard from some that the retail amd fans are the best, others tell me they are crap. I have no idea.

Thanks,

Laurence

My Machine:

2xAMD Athlon MP 1600 1.4ghz
1 GIG DDR ECC Registered RAM
Tyan Tiger MP 760
GeForce 2 ti (MSI Starforce)
80gig maxtor harddrive
Windows 2000 sp2
Full Tower case w/ Chassis fan

 

[microAmp]

There will always be something better than the retail HSF on the CPU's. Intel's though is a really good one right now. Panflo I've seen come up here quite a bit, search on that and might be quiter for you. If you get the same size of fan that AMD gave you it'll fit right in.

 

[Workin']

54 isn't too hot at all. 64 isn't even too hot.

The noise? I haven't heard any that are quieter, but I haven't heard too many others to compare. The retail HSF on my XP2000+ is much quieter than the Thermaltake Volcano on my 1.4 Tbird. But not as quiet as the Intel retail HSF on my P3-750.

 

[daveqb]

umm the AMD retail fan??
its great...a great paperweight !!!

check here for ratings of HSF's

 

[VSEKH]

The heatsink/fan that comes with the retail AMD cpu's are good. The only problem I noticed was the solution below the heatsink was not that good. I got rid of this and put some Arctic Silver 3 solution. This lowered the temperature between 5 to 10 degrees Celsius. They run at around 5500 RPM's which is really good because the Thermaltake Volcano 7+ runs as high as 6000 RPM(costs about $35). No need to purchase new heatsink/fan. Possibly using different heatsink solution.

 

[Zim Hosein]

daveqb, thanks for the paperweight link, I enjoyed it

 

[daveqb]

hehehe , pretty funny huh, i find overclockers.com the best source for HSF information

makes ya wonder why anyone would buy a retail XP and pay more for that fan,
i guess if you dont know , you dont know !

 

[grunjee]

Originally posted by: Workin'
54 isn't too hot at all. 64 isn't even too hot.

Sorry but I have to disagree with that one. 54, ok, but 64? You are taking serious chances with stability and even damaging components.

 

[Workin']

Sorry but I have to disagree with that one. 54, ok, but 64? You are taking serious chances with stability and even damaging components

I'll have to disagree with you - and if you did actual research instead of just guessing or mindlessly repeating the same inaccurate trash you read on some forum you'd know you have missed the boat, too. AMD's design papers say maximum die temperature is 90 degrees Celsius, so allowing a significant reduction from that, to say, 70 degrees, for safety and to account for the fact that the temperature is not measured directly in contact with the die, 64 is high but not dangerously so.

makes ya wonder why anyone would buy a retail XP and pay more for that fan

Some people are smart enough or lucky enough to get it for free - I guess if you dont know , you dont know! These days, anyone who pays $35 for a HSF for a $100 CPU is a complete moron.

 

[daveqb]

ok, whatever makes you feel better

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: daveqb
umm the AMD retail fan??
its great...a great paperweight !!!

check here for ratings of HSF's

After 5 minutes of flapping papers, the papers stayed put.

Smart a$$

 

[nemo160]

the temp issue all depends on if those temps are onboard diode or thermistor temps
if that's the reading from the onboard diode( the real cpu temp) then 54 is ok, but not great
if its a thermistor temp then add about 10-15 degrees tothat to get real cpu temp, and then you definitely need to add more cooling
i think your board has the 4 holes for mounting around the sockets, so alpha 6045s or 8045smight be nice, if noise is a major concern i'd go for the 8045 so you can get a slower spinning 80mm fan that still moves a good amount of air
also, any of thermalright's sk-6/slk-600, or slk 800
the slk800 just got reviewed by hardocp and beat the swiftech mc462 and the 8045
kinda cool the set up the top of the hs to be able to accept 60/70/80mm fans with the same set of clips
i also notice your sig has chassis fan listed..as in singular
with 2 athlons i would want at least an intake and an exhaust fan in addition to the psu fan
preferably more than one of each

 

[spanky]

i run 54C using the retail hsf of my xp2000+. it may not be the coolest fan in the world, but it sure beats the 747 sounding fan i got on my sk6

 

[TheWart]

i care about a cool pc as much as the next guy, but if you wanna save some trouble why not just get a retail HSF combo with an XP proc, since AMD will still be under warranty. i don't think they are stupid enough to cheat themselves out of business by saying the HSF will do an ok job when they really don't. obviously you CAN get cooler, but i know plenty of people who go retail and do the same "intense" usage i do (games mainly) with nary a problem, just a few degrees warmer.

 

[nemo160]

the main thing i want to know is if the temps he gave are thermistor or diode
the amd hsf is generally adequate for most usages
however, better heatsinks and fans can ensure greaster stability
also,consider how hot an athlon can get a case..now multiply that by two

 

[Workin']

the main thing i want to know is if the temps he gave are thermistor or diode

AMD CPU's don't have on-die temperature measuring devices. The temp for AMD processors is always measured by a thermistor under the socket.

 

[nemo160]

palomino core and newer have onboard diodes, its just that most motherboards, expecially single cpu boards, still don't utilize it
read Anand's kt 333 roundup, there are a few single cpu boards that do use the diode, including the epox 8k3a+
in another thread someone posted that some dual boards read from the diode, but not all did
if his temps are diode, he's ok
if his temps are thermistor, figure a 15 degree differential, he's running close to 70 and is way too hot

 

[Workin']

palomino core and newer have onboard diodes, its just that most motherboards, expecially single cpu boards, still don't utilize it

Oh yeah, that's right.

But even measured by the thermistor, 54 degrees under full load is nowhere near the danger zone.

 

[nemo160]

a thermistor reading of 54 is likely close to 70 tdie, close to the maximum for continued operation (70-75)
90 is the hit it and die temperature, not the maximum operating temperature
also..what happens if a fan dies or gets jammed by a wire?
i've seen numerous posts where somebody's stock fan died and so did their cpu
my first delta 38 died on me and my sk6 saved my 1.4 tbird, its still up and running great
it got WAYYY hot (you could read the writing from the face of my processor backwards on the sk6, the 2d matrix mark is still on the hs bottom), but having a large copper hs gave my mobo enoughg time to shut down when temps went through the roof
i actually tried to boot it when the fan wasn't going probably 3 times (didn't realize the fan wasn't running..my case fans are louder than cpu fan) before i went into the bios pc health and got my temp reading
a good hs can save your cpu and maybe even your motherboard if a fan fails

 

[gogloss]

Wow... thanks for all the response.

If it helps... I'm using Tyan's System Monitor software to test the temp - so I'm hoping that it is accurate (it asks for my specific MB model).

HWmonitor allows you to choose Thermistor or Diode, the thermistor reading is 70 or so, but the diode reading is the same as the reading give by Tyan's system monitor, which does not have any setting.


Thanks,

Laurence