AMD cpu temps? Duron vs. XP

[bluemax]

Well, I'm having some overheat problems in my new Shuttle box. Runs everything fine except the Prime95 torture test (after some slight fan modifications it now runs the torture test for 20 minutes instead of two!) before shutting down from overheat.

I'm running the cheapest CPU I could get, a $45CDN Duron 1100.

So, would an XP 1800+ run quite a bit cooler at stock speed? How much so? No difference? [shrug]

 

[Markfw]

What temperatures ?

 

[thorin]

So, would an XP 1800+ run quite a bit cooler at stock speed? How much so? No difference? [shrug]

That'd kinda depend on the temp we're comaring too wouldn't it?? (Which you didn't provide).

Thorin

 

[Chrisdragon]

What brand heatsink and what stuff is between the CPU and HSF? (AS3, stock paste, etc) T-bred A and B cores on the XP CPUs run cooler than it's palomino counterparts.

 

[0roo0roo]

do they even have tbred durons?

 

[thorin]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
do they even have tbred durons?

Huh??

Thorin

 

[trak0rr0kart]

I would say it is something to do with your heatsink and fan.. what kind do you have? since you went with the cheapest cpu... i'm guessing you went with a cheap hsf. check your temp in your bios and report it here.. before and after you run your tests.. and during. If you actually spent some money for a decent hsf.. then I don't think you would have trouble with heat.

 

[bluemax]

I've apologize publicy enough times already for what seemed like an angry post. Yeesh... you guys can sure dish it out but you freak out when you see it from someone else. :Q

Lighten up!

 

[AtomicAlien]

Originally posted by: bluemax
For crying out loud, it's a simple question. Would the XP1800 processor run cooler than a Duron 1100?

This would mean EQUAL fan, EQUAL cooling solution. The fact that my processor runs around 47deg at BIOS right now is kind of moot and not necessary to this equasion.

The Duron is .18 micron! The Athlon XP TBred is .13 micron! So they might be about the SAME temp.

 

[thraxes]

I would guess the XP is hotter since it is running at a higher clockspeed and higher FSB.

My XP2200+ at stock speeds is at 48°C idle / 56°C under load with 22° ambient temperature
Use a silent Arctic Cooling HSF so the temps are a little higher but the machine sure is quiet.

 

[GregMal]

Geesh.............My 1800+ Tbred gets 31-33C at idle and that's
using the retail heatsink................Greg

 

[bluemax]

Originally posted by: GregMal
Geesh.............My 1800+ Tbred gets 31-33C at idle and that's
using the retail heatsink................Greg

Mobos may report temperatures differently... I'm trusting the Shuttle BIOS, but if I had a better indicator I'd take it.

So far it's running much better... Prime95 is the only thing that'll knock it down and even that's after 20+ minutes. More if I kick the fan into high gear! (Loud!) What I need to do is simply replace the Sunon fan that it came with with something quieter if under full 4500RPM.

 

[DannyBoy]

Originally posted by: bluemax
For crying out loud, it's a simple question. Would the XP1800 processor run cooler than a Duron 1100?

This would mean EQUAL fan, EQUAL cooling solution. The fact that my processor runs around 47deg at BIOS right now is kind of moot and not necessary to this equasion.

With an attitude like that I am suprised anyone is bothering to help you.

That is RUDE and un-neccesary.

I do not feel obligated to answer your question now :|

 

[bluemax]

And how would you feel if you asked which video card was faster, A or B, and instead of answering the question threw out a bunch of irrelevant questions about heatsinks and what temperature your system is running now?

I asked again in good humour but I typed so fast I forgot my smileys.

Sorry if it sounded rude.

 

[nortexoid]

there's a power consumption and heat dissipation chart for AMD's line of CPUs somewhere....can't remember where tho.
do a search on google.

 

[bluemax]

Originally posted by: nortexoid
there's a power consumption and heat dissipation chart for AMD's line of CPUs somewhere....can't remember where tho.
do a search on google.

Hey... yeah... I remember that article! It showed how low of power consumption the XP1600-1800's were! (only 1.5V)
I might have to search posts I've visited and see if I can find the link again. Good hint.

 

[mechBgon]

The thermal output of the Duron 1100 and the AthlonXP Thoroughbred 1800+ are almost precisely the same, 46.2W and 46.3W respectively (source: Sandpile.org).

I think the questions about your cooling solution are good ones, because there is ordinarily no problem cooling these CPUs with a modest heatsink/fan unit unless it's been installed backwards or something. Is yours on the right way around, with the stepped end of the heatsink base oriented to match the raised solid-plastic end of the CPU socket? If you're using a shim that's too thick, that can also prevent proper heat transfer from CPU core to heatsink, particularly as things heat up and the shim expands.

edit: if you're using a Shuttle heat-pipe system, well all you have to do is say so I would look for signs that the heatpipe block isn't making square contact with the CPU core, by looking at the imprint the CPU core makes in the thermal grease.

 

[bluemax]

Originally posted by: mechBgon
The thermal output of the Duron 1100 and the AthlonXP Thoroughbred 1800+ are almost precisely the same, 46.2W and 46.3W respectively (source: Sandpile.org).

I think the questions about your cooling solution are good ones, because there is ordinarily no problem cooling these CPUs with a modest heatsink/fan unit unless it's been installed backwards or something. Is yours on the right way around, with the stepped end of the heatsink base oriented to match the raised solid-plastic end of the CPU socket? If you're using a shim that's too thick, that can also prevent proper heat transfer from CPU core to heatsink, particularly as things heat up and the shim expands.

edit: if you're using a Shuttle heat-pipe system, well all you have to do is say so I would look for signs that the heatpipe block isn't making square contact with the CPU core, by looking at the imprint the CPU core makes in the thermal grease.

Good point. Thanks. Man... how would I change the Shuttle ICE pipe if it's NOT seated properly?? :Q And I've been told to remove the shim by a few folks now, including a Shuttle rep! I think that shim is gone. I might have a tiny bit too much grease on too. Prime95 is the only thing that'll kill the system, but even that takes almost half an hour.
All I really need is to replace that standard fan on the ICE pipe with a fan that runs quieter and I'll have a silent system.

Well, until I run something off my rocket-engine DVD-ROM drive. :|

Thanks guys... info much appreciated. Sorry I thought the questioning was irrelevant... I can kinda' see why you were asking now. It's only PARTIALLY irrelevant.

 

[mechBgon]

Question, maybe a dumb one: did you apply grease to just the CPU core? That seems like the logical thing, since greasing the shim would make it that much taller.

But first thing I'd do is carefully try it without the shim. This is one situation where I could see a shim being potentially beneficial, since the heatpipe setup is so non-balanced, but if it's too thick... bad. I suppose you could tape some wet/dry sandpaper on glass and wet-sand the shim to make it thinner...

 

[DannyBoy]

Sorry for being the dumb one here but, whats a shim

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: DannyBoy
Sorry for being the dumb one here but, whats a shim

Like this, it lies on top of the CPU and the theory is that the heatsink can't rock sideways as much, reducing the chance of core breakage. If it's too thick, the heatsink bottoms out on it and can't make good contact with the CPU core.

 

[Spyro]

Originally posted by: DannyBoy
Sorry for being the dumb one here but, whats a shim

Something that saves amd processors from large, clumsy heatsinks........ It goes between the processer and the heat sink. Like these.

 

[DannyBoy]

Ah ok thanks

Learn something new everyday

Do many people use shims then? They cant be neccesary seeing as my AXP didnt come with one

 

[bluemax]

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Question, maybe a dumb one: did you apply grease to just the CPU core? That seems like the logical thing, since greasing the shim would make it that much taller.

But first thing I'd do is carefully try it without the shim. This is one situation where I could see a shim being potentially beneficial, since the heatpipe setup is so non-balanced, but if it's too thick... bad. I suppose you could tape some wet/dry sandpaper on glass and wet-sand the shim to make it thinner...

I'm not quite dumb enough to grease a shim. Unless the shim actually conducts heat from the ceramic package? :Q
Anyways, I only used grease on the core. Just a tiny dab the first time, then I was having shutdown problems so I added more. I *still* had heat problems so the grease didn't help any. I had turned down the Shuttle fan settings too much... it wouldn't kick up to level-2 fan until [40][44][48][52] degrees. I brought that down to [40] instead. The fan now runs *constantly* at level2 which is quite a bit louder than L1 which is silent - but still FAR better than full-blast Level3! :Q Couple it with a quieter fan on there I won't notice L2 at all.

Still, it seems a bit hot... I'll post back after I remove the shim. If I say "cracked core" be gentle on me.
I'll try not to do anything stupid like crank one side super tight before all the others....

 

[thorin]

Originally posted by: DannyBoy

Originally posted by: bluemax
For crying out loud, it's a simple question. Would the XP1800 processor run cooler than a Duron 1100?

This would mean EQUAL fan, EQUAL cooling solution. The fact that my processor runs around 47deg at BIOS right now is kind of moot and not necessary to this equasion.

With an attitude like that I am suprised anyone is bothering to help you.

That is RUDE and un-neccesary.

I do not feel obligated to answer your question now :|

See above ^. Since you seem to assume that all Duron 1100s run at the same temp (since it was such an inconvenience for us to ask what your Duron 1100s temp was for comparison) Let it all burn in hell........

Thorin