AMD CPU temps poll!

Mikewarrior2

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Ugh......

Another one of these complete USELESS threads, because:

A)YOu can only compare with the very same MB that you ahve, with the same BIOS revision
B)These measurements must be adjusted for ambient system temperature.
C)EVERY socket-a MB reads temps differently.
D)XP and T-bird temps, even on the same MB, are not comparable due to PCB differences.

So, having a useless thread like this will do nothing but add to confusion for those whose mb's read temps hotter. In order to make this thread useful(the actual usefullness still isn't good), you need to gather motherboard/bios information, ambient system temp, and processor type.



Mike
 

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<< Another one of these complete USELESS threads, because >>



Some of use will find this helpful. You know you dont have to reply to EVERY AMD cooling post
just because you can do some fancy calculations that anyone of us can look up in a book.

Ohh and BTW my CPU is running at 34c as we speak, until MB makers start putting in the
proper components to read the XP Diode this is the most accurrate way of sharing temps.

 

Mikewarrior2

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Sure it is useful... to create confusion among those mb's whose temps are normally hotter.



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Mikewarrior2

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oh, and once again CROSS MB comparions are not possible. That is the number 1 reason why this type of survey can't be done accurate or without confusion. Just look at your temps.



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Insidious

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<< Another one of these complete USELESS threads, because....... >>



Chill out you GEEK

MUUHAHAHHAHA

er, yes that was a pun...........
 

Mikewarrior2

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Bite ME

you don't get pms about temps, so efforts should be made to correct the crappy situations



Mike
 

rogue1979

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I know the temps are wrong, but having a wide data base of somewhat inaccurate temps will still help better than no comparisons at all. Kinda like comparing cpu overclocks, every single cpu overclocks differently, but you can still gather all the data out there to see what the approximate top speed of a certain cpu might be to help you make a decision on a purchase or perhaps try a little harder to squeeze more speed out of it.
 

The Sauce

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Sheesh, didn't mean to start a fight. I know they are inaccurate but thought nonetheless it would be interesting to see what people are getting and what you all are comfortable with. Perhaps then we can use the data to draw some conclusions or ask more detailed questions.
 

Mikewarrior2

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How can you draw conclusions on anything, when the major factor in socket-a temps is neither CPU, nor CPU Wattage, nor Heatsink, but rather Motherboard.

Then factor in Ambient system temp which varies from system to system.

Then finally you can throw the "cpu" into the mix.

At the very least, a CPU "temperature" comparison must include ambient system temp, regardless of CPU type. In addition, because of the nature of socket-thermistor readings, you need to ask mb. If all you're gonna ask is temps, let me ask you this: What good does it do comparing temps from a 20C ambient system temp computer versus a 35C ambient system temp computer?

With an AMD socket-tehrmistor system, a high ambient temp/low reading mb could result in lower "CPU" temps than a low ambient temp/high reading mb. How, in any way, is that kind of comparison useful?



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rogue1979

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I agree, but why doesn't anyone object to these same variables when overclocking a cpu and posting the results. Cpu overclocking depends on ambient temp, cpu temp, case temp, fan configuration, voltage, power supply, motherboard, speed of fsb, application of artic silver, other pci cards, quality of Ram, 5v and 3.3v readings and many other factors. Yet we all talk about the success or failure of cpu overclocking without including all of the factors that effect it. Socket A motherboard discussions go the same way. A lot of inaccurate data is still better than none at all. We also do the same thing with video card overclocking.
 

Mikewarrior2

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maybe that info should be included.... it would certainly clean up the info in any sort of "overclocking" comparison.

In addition, socket-a temps can be very, very misleading. That is much more so misleading than not having system info in overclocking threads.


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The Sauce

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<< Yet we all talk about the success or failure of cpu overclocking without including all of the factors that effect it. >>


Yah, exactly. We all bandy temps here in our discussions all the time regardless of the other factors involved. For that reason alone I think the poll is useful. If at the very least to demonstrate the inaccuracy and variance in what people are reporting.

I also think that ambient temp is somewhat accounted for in the poll by making the ranges as wide as they are. I mean, there's not many people out there living in much less than 20C or more than 30C as a matter of routine, so really the temps are only affected by +/- 5C on the average. Still imprecise i realise but not completely useless.

I mean, those guys on the poll who are running >50C...unless their ambient temps are >30C they have to start thinking something may be wrong here and look for the problem.
 

The Sauce

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Ok...on further thought I will revise the poll. Make a new one with the delta only: cpu temp - system temp. Still doesn't account for mobo but at least factors out ambient temps. We'll work from there.
 

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At the very least, the poll could clarify whether we're comparing idle or load temps
 

Mikewarrior2

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<< I mean, those guys on the poll who are running >50C...unless their ambient temps are >30C they have to start thinking something may be wrong here and look for the problem. >>



Once again, this is precisely why these threads are useless! it is common for certain mb/cpu combinations to read in the 50C range with a 25C or so ambient case temp. Hell, with a 22C ambient case temp you can get a 55C "cpu" temp with an A7V series MB. Anytime one makes a misleading statement like that without also telling that motherboards interpret socket-thermistor temps differently is wrong.



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You still havent explained why my pal8045 isnt even slightly warm.
As a matter of fact its cold even under load.
 

Mikewarrior2

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what is there to explain? I said that the XP is cooler, clock for clock the T-bird. If you had your t-bird overclocked, then the xp is even cooler....

The PAL8045 is a good heatsink... however, if you're comparing temps after shutdown on the heatsink, there is a reason the T-bird is warmer: THe less efficient PCB "holds" heat much moreso than the new organic fiberglass PCB of the XP. Therefore, the chip holds less overall heat during operation, and during shutdown, the heatsink doesn't have to do any work on an XP chip.

It should not be colder under load compared to the t-bird though. Unless you are running the XP chip at a lower voltage. A T-bird and XP, both at 1400mhz, both supply roughly the same amount of heat into the heatsink as per this review: Overclockers.com Glaciator II review. Pay close attention to the heatsink-thermocouple (heatsink mounted measurement above the CPU core and inside the heatsink base) results for both XP and T-bird chip: They are both 17.4C above ambient, indicating that despite the t-bird being ~9W warmer at max wattage, both chips push roughly the same amount of heat into the heatsink, clock for clock. If you were over volting the t-bird more than the XP chip, then there's your reason why the heatsink is hotter. Voltage does more to increase chip wattage than raw mhz. For example, a .1V increase on a T-bird chip results in an increase of roughly 6.5 watts.


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Im running the XP at a higher voltage then my Tbird .25 but still higher. Soon as put my Tbird back in and run CPUburn
the heatsink heats up and the temp goes to about 50c, With the XP the heatsink stays cold and temp 41-44c.
My ambient Case temp is 23c and Cpu was at 41c running CPUburn for 10 hours today while @ work today.
Yes the heatsink was still cold as can be. The Alpha has a Rating of .28C/W but I imagine this would be better
with additional fans blowing across it. I'm not saying my CPU is running @ 41c but there is noway its running
very much higher then 44c I have a thermocouple taped under the heatsink as close to the core as I can
(I know this isnt super accurate but what else can you do) and it was reading 42c when I walked in the door.
 

Mikewarrior2

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But now you have a difference of 18C, whereas in this thread: Thread from a week ago, you claim a difference of 10C.

Why the sudden change in CPU temp by 8C More?.
Why the difference in temps from a week ago to now? Clearly, the 18C over ambient is gonna be more inline with "die" temps than the 10C over ambient. And a side-thermistor is not as accurate as you believe, it is usually anywhere from 50-70% of the core temp rise over ambient.

It doesn't make sense how you claimed 10C over ambient a week ago, and now claim 18C over ambient... something isn't right about that....


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8c More where? I cant find that anywhere.



I see 44c Cpu under load and a typo for my system temp (34c) supposed to be 24c
 

Mikewarrior2

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well, then that's where the problem is... this week, you're saying its a 18C difference, and last week it was a 10C mistyped difference. Hence, the 8C higher delta thsi week.

If you had a 20C "delta" a week ago, then that is close enough to be "approximately right". Maybe a few degrees off, but close enough. I had made the comments based on the mistyped 10C delta from the other thread.



Mike
 

Mustanggt

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Mikewarrior2 for someone claiming these temp threads are useless you sure have alot of post in here, lol
 

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<<

<< I mean, those guys on the poll who are running >50C...unless their ambient temps are >30C they have to start thinking something may be wrong here and look for the problem. >>



Once again, this is precisely why these threads are useless! it is common for certain mb/cpu combinations to read in the 50C range with a 25C or so ambient case temp. Hell, with a 22C ambient case temp you can get a 55C "cpu" temp with an A7V series MB. Anytime one makes a misleading statement like that without also telling that motherboards interpret socket-thermistor temps differently is wrong.



Mike
>>



Mike, I have an A7V (classic). Why is it that these boards have such high temp readings?

thanks
 
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