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Datafiend

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The Intel i7-4790k. I'm looking to upgrade from my i7 950 next month and I was looking at the newly announced i7-4790k but I'm not fond of that price, so I was wondering if AMD has something that offers similar performance for a lower price? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 

svenge

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I was looking at the newly announced i7-4790k but I'm not fond of that price, so I was wondering if AMD has something that offers similar performance for a lower price

AMD doesn't have anything with similar general performance at any price.
 

drikkie

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Which CPU to get (can get away with) depends a lot on which GPU you want to use and on which graphical level (resolution, quality, fsaa, etc).

If you use a single GPU which costs about $200, cheaper CPU's can be used then when you are using a tri-fire setup for full HD on a 120hz monitor.
 

Roland00Address

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AMD doesn't have anything comparable.

What games really care about (most of the time) is the speed of your graphic card. Get a good graphic card.

After that what games really care about is called single thread performance of your cpu. The higher the single thread performance the higher the games perform.

After single thread performance what games care about is multi thread performance, but they only care about performance per thread up to four threads. There are very little games out there that care about more than 4 threads (there are a couple though). This is because when a game designer designs a game they have to divide up the work the game is performing. It is very easy to put all the work on 1 or 2 threads, and almost impossible to put the work on anything more than 4 threads due to how games work underneath it all. Some games can use 5 or 6 threads but if those games use 5 or 6 threads they are barely using thread 5 and 6 so there is little benefit from a quad core vs a hex core vs an octocore with equal single thread performance.

This is a limited website with a limited benchmark but it gives you a good idea on cpu performance. Look at the single thread rating for it is more important for games.

http://www.passmark.com/index.html

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If you get double the number you get double the performance, notice how you are barely getting any single threaded increase with the intel cpus even though in the end we are going to compare cpus which have a price ratio of 5:1. Notice though you get a 3:1 multi thread ratio when you spend 5 times as much but only a 23% increase in single thread performance for spending 5 times as much.

$70 Intel Pentium G3240 @ 3.10GHz , 2 Cores, 2 Threads
1851 - Single Thread Rating
3498 - Multi Thread Rating. 3498 / 2 Threads is about 1749 per thread with only 2 threads capable

$115 Intel Core I3 4130 @ 3.40Ghz, 2 Cores, 4 Threads
1976 - Single Thread Rating
4824 - Multi Thread Rating, 4824 / 4 Thread is about 1206 per thread with 4 threads capable. How hyperthreading works (making a dual core do 4 threads) is that for the first two threads you get about 1976 in performance for the first thread, 1976 in performance for the second thread if you are only using 2 threads. 1976*2=3952. But if the software needs 3 or 4 threads it can better utilize parts of the cpu resources between the two cores so it can strech that 3952 score and make it 4824. So for thread 1, 2, 3 and 4 the performance is somewhere between 1206 and 1976. Allocating resources to the threads that need the most resources and less resources to the threads that need less resources. Your cpu is a very good delegator.

$220 Intel Core i5-4670K @ 3.40GHz turbo to 3.80 Ghz, 4 Cores, 4 Threads
2228 - Single Thread Rating
7758 - Multi Thread Rating, 7758 / 4 Thread is about 1939 per thread with 4 threads. Now notice this 1939 per thread is less than 2228 single thread. This is due to turbo (which the i3 and pentiums lack). If only using 1 thread you can hit the max of 2228 but if you are using 2 threads it is in between those numbers and if you are using 3 or 4 threads it is 1939 per thread. This is probably the best value out there for a gaming cpu.

$330 Intel Core i7-4770k @ 3.50Ghz turbo up to 3.90 Ghz, 4 Cores, 8 Threads
2281 - Single Thread Rating
10313 - Multi Thread Rating, 10313 / 8 Thread is about 1289 per thread with 8 threads. You only get the benefit of the i7 versus the i5 if you are using threads 5, 6, 7, and 8. That and a small speed boost for the cpu is 100 mhz faster which is about 3% faster on threads 1, 2, 3, and 4. Thus if you are only using threads 1, 2, 3, and 4 your multi thread rating is about 8000. You are only gaining that extra 2000 if you are using threads 5, 6, 7, and 8. Due to games barely using threads 5, 6, 7, and 8 you get barely any extra cpu performance.

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Now the best AMD cpu out there under $300 is called the AMD FX 8350 and it goes for about $190. It is an 8 "core" with 8 threads and no hyperthreading (it has something similar to hyperthreading, but for simplicity sake just ignore it)

$190 AMD FX 8350
1510 - Single Thread Rating (notice this number is lower than the pentium)
9040 - Multi Thread Rating. 9040 / 8 is about 1130 per thread. So for only 1 thread you score 1510, but if you using threads 2 to 4 your score will decrease for you can't turbo as high, it decreases even more if you are using threads 5 to 8 to the minimum of 1130 per thread.


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Your old cpu
Intel Core i7 950
1316 - Single Thread Rating
5647 - Multi Thread Rating 5647 / 8 threads is about 705 per thread. That said 1212 multi thread rating per thread if you are only using 4 threads or less. Due to having 4 actual cores and the remaining 705 is only achieved if you split up the resources due to using 8 threads at one time so in some tasks your 4 year old i7 is as fast as the best amd (see above)

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So in sum AMD has nothing that compares to intel gaming wise as the intel i5 4670k or the intel i7 4770k. In some tasks that can take advantage of 8 threads (such as video conversion since this can use all 8 threads at once) the AMD FX 8350 is better than the i5 4670k and almost as good as the intel i7 4770k while being a $140 dollars cheaper.

That said the AMD FX8350 and the i3, i5, and i7 are all not slow, but I would not upgrade at all unless I was getting the i5 4670k or the i7 4770k.

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Now of course since you are not upgrading now but in a month the newer devil canyon processors will probably be better. Then again you may get a good deal on the older i5 and i7s because the new devil canyons are coming out.
 

sm625

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AMD doesnt even have a chip that beats your old i7-950 at many benchmarks, especially single threaded benchmarks.
 

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If you only use the system for gaming, consider updating your graphics card first if you haven't already.

The gains going from your i7-950 to something newer may not be more then ~20-30%, while a new graphics card can easily be 2, 3 or even 5x faster then a 2008/2009'ish graphics card.
 

Homeles

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The Intel i7-4790k. I'm looking to upgrade from my i7 950 next month and I was looking at the newly announced i7-4790k but I'm not fond of that price, so I was wondering if AMD has something that offers similar performance for a lower price? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Frankly, there isn't one. The 4790K is a pretty significant improvement (~13-14%) over what Intel currently offers, which already is literally giving AMD a run for its money.

If you're just gaming, and you haven't upgraded your GPU lately... definitely so that first.
 

kawi6rr

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I have a 8350 paired with an R9 280x and so far this combination has been flawless. And the price of the 8350 dropped to $189.
 

Arkadrel

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AMD doesnt even have a chip that beats your old i7-950 at many benchmarks, especially single threaded benchmarks.


http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/697?vs=100

3D Particle Movement, is the only bench there thats tests faster on the i7-950 and thats more than likely dude to it being a horrible written program.

everything else the AMD FX-8350 is faster than the i7-950.

When it comes to gameing Id bet good money on the Fx-8350 being faster than the I7-950 as well.


You where over-exagerating a tiny bit how badly off AMD is.
 

Enigmoid

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http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/697?vs=100

3D Particle Movement, is the only bench there thats tests faster on the i7-950 and thats more than likely dude to it being a horrible written program.

everything else the AMD FX-8350 is faster than the i7-950.

When it comes to gameing Id bet good money on the Fx-8350 being faster than the I7-950 as well.


You where over-exagerating a tiny bit how badly off AMD is.

Its certainty not nearly enough for an upgrade.
 

TeknoBug

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I go with what others said, upgrade if you plan on getting a Haswell, otherwise your i7 950 is still sufficient for most things. Heck I know someone that still games with his i7 920.

An FX 8350 is somewhat comparable to a high end i3, it's not even funny.
 

USER8000

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I go with what others said, upgrade if you plan on getting a Haswell, otherwise your i7 950 is still sufficient for most things. Heck I know someone that still games with his i7 920.

An FX 8350 is somewhat comparable to a high end i3, it's not even funny.

Also,in many games many of the lower end Core i5s are not even that much faster than a higher clockspeed Core i3 SKU. OTH,it will be interesting to see how things start to change in the next year or so though.
 
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Sable

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The Intel i7-4790k. I'm looking to upgrade from my i7 950 next month and I was looking at the newly announced i7-4790k but I'm not fond of that price, so I was wondering if AMD has something that offers similar performance for a lower price? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Bait bait bait. You know AMD has nothing comparable.
 

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It costs that much for a reason... If you're not fond of the price, drop to an i5. Still better than anything AMD has and $100 cheaper than it's i7 counterpart. AMD doesn't have an answer for a Haswell refresh i7, Haswell i7 or even Ivy Bridge i7
 

Roland00Address

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You where over-exagerating a tiny bit how badly off AMD is.
For the sake of argument let's just grant the AMD fx 8350 is faster than the i7 950 (I do not want to grant this, fx 8350 better in multithread that can stress 8 cores, i7 is faster in single thread, in 4 or 6 threaded workload things are murky is my view)

The i7 950 is Intel's top mainstream cpu 4 years ago and the 8350 is AMD top mainstream cpu now, hell it is a 45nm cpu. If you switch the comparison to the i7 2600k, intels top cpu 3 years ago it is not even close. 2600 is faster in single threaded, faster in 4 thread workloads, tied in 8 thread workloads, uses less power, has a built in GPU, takes less die space, both built on 32nm, and came out 3 years earlier. The question you should be asking is thank god I waited so I can get the 8350 for 190 instead of 330 but I had to wait 40 months to do so.
 

Datafiend

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Thanks for all the feedback guys. I will mainly using my PC for gaming and I recently ordered a R9 290 and I'm looking to pair that with an upgrade CPU,MB and RAM wise.
 

AtenRa

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For the sake of argument let's just grant the AMD fx 8350 is faster than the i7 950 (I do not want to grant this, fx 8350 better in multithread that can stress 8 cores, i7 is faster in single thread, in 4 or 6 threaded workload things are murky is my view)

By single thread you mean Games and Cinebench ??

The i7 950 is Intel's top mainstream cpu 4 years ago and the 8350 is AMD top mainstream cpu now, hell it is a 45nm cpu. If you switch the comparison to the i7 2600k, intels top cpu 3 years ago it is not even close. 2600 is faster in single threaded, faster in 4 thread workloads, tied in 8 thread workloads, uses less power, has a built in GPU, takes less die space, both built on 32nm, and came out 3 years earlier. The question you should be asking is thank god I waited so I can get the 8350 for 190 instead of 330 but I had to wait 40 months to do so.

First of all the FX8350 was released in 2012 (Q4), Secondly clock to clock Sandy is not that much faster than Nehalem, close to 10-15% on average and thirdly the FX8350 released at $199 not $330.

Core i7 975 (3.33GHz) vs Core i7 2600K (3.4GHz)
FX8350 vs Core i7 2600K
 

Roland00Address

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By single thread you mean Games and Cinebench ??
I tire of this, that is even why I stated for the sake of arguement in the last post. I am moving on.

First of all the FX8350 was released in 2012 (Q4), Secondly clock to clock Sandy is not that much faster than Nehalem, close to 10-15% on average and thirdly the FX8350 released at $199 not $330.

Core i7 975 (3.33GHz) vs Core i7 2600K (3.4GHz)
FX8350 vs Core i7 2600K

Yes the AMD FX8350 came out 19 months ago, but I am comparing the best amd today to the earliest intel has a similar but better cpu which was 40 months. It is not my fault that AMD has not made a better cpu in the last 19 months. Since that time difference with AMD vs Intel has only grown, we had ivybridge, we have haswell, and right now we are getting the devil canyon haswel refresh. AMD has not released anything new or better in the last 19 months (cpus that have tdps of 200+ watts do not count as mainstream)

Why would you have the Original Poster seriously buy what is effectively 2 to 3.5 year old technology when he already has 5 year old technology? There is literally no reason the OP should consider AMD besides fanboyism. Either he should spend his money to get the i5 or the i7 or he should save his money and reuse his current cpu.

And yes gaming matters for the op stated gaming is the biggesting thing he is doing and he just got a R9 290.
 

SPBHM

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even the 9590(220W 4.7GHz 8 core FX) is going to be outperformed by the 4460 (84W 3.2GHz quad core) when it comes to gaming.

so yes, keep your CPU or go with Haswell OC, no other good options at the moment.
 

AtenRa

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Why would you have the Original Poster seriously buy what is effectively 2 to 3.5 year old technology when he already has 5 year old technology? There is literally no reason the OP should consider AMD besides fanboyism. Either he should spend his money to get the i5 or the i7 or he should save his money and reuse his current cpu.

And yes gaming matters for the op stated gaming is the biggesting thing he is doing and he just got a R9 290.

If you look at the topic, i was the first one to recommend the Core i5 4690K so spare me the BS about fanboysm. I merely replied to your misinformed commend.
 
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