AMD CPU under 100$

[R0H1T]

uff guys im really getting messed up here. I appreciate your help, but its getting a little bit confusing.
Ill start over again with all info collected in this topic because i think i have missed something here.

My budget is 5000NOK =(668$)
My opinion:
CPU+MOBO = ~200$
GPU = ~200-250$
Supply = Corsair 750W 90$
RAM = Corsair 4gb 50$
Case = 60$
HDD = 0$

Im using this site to look for parts : http://www.prisjakt.no/
Here is UK version of it : http://pricespy.co.uk/

So atm im looking for best budget overclockable cpu and motherboard.
U mention that i should forget about AMD but i was told that AMD will be cheaper than intel. I do prefer intel because of the quality and performance but AMD looks cheaper. I was pretty sure that i could get a cpu and mobo for 200$, but if not so lets say 250$ then but these 50% msut be taken from another part. I was also told in forums and searched google that GPU is nr.1! It can be im wrong so i can redo my budget for each component. If u mean i should invest more in cpu+mobo so tell me what component shuld i get cheaper to have money for it.
Those examples i wrote first are just ones i found are best consider my budget using www.cpuboss.com . So be free to offer any other u think i can get whatever it is intel or amd.
R0H1T offered combination of 8320E + 970 chipset which is about 210$ .
FX6300 is much cheaper than 8320E but i guess its not that good and also its quite old. also Shehriazad said that its dead end and socket has been dead since 2012.
ShintaiDK said that i should forget about AMD but if AMD is cheapest so does it mean i should drop everything?

Well u can see my budget now for each part of my build, if u see something wrong pls let me know.

That's the best deal you can get, an 8 core (4 module) CPU is the best AMD have in their lineup & even though AM3+ is non upgradeable (for CPU's) it will give you the best VFM right now IMO.

The thing about GPU is that each year (or two) you get a big jump in perf, next year will be massive as we'll go from 28nm->14nm plus HBM2. This is why holding onto a high end GPU is kinda pointless, the best deals are always in the midrange.

Also with DX12 your 8 core AMD will start to pull away from the i5, if the game is coded heavily in favor of MT. The CPU will get slightly less relevant with DX12 but gaming & overall computing efficiency will certainly go up.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

I think the FX8320e is a great choice for the OP. He can get the CPU and Mobo combo for $200 or under and concentrate the rest of his funds on a newer GPU. Plus he can easily overclock that FX8320e to 4.5-5.0Ghz which can only help. Wish I could get that deal right now to get me off this damn 760K to hold me over a little while longer so I can get something better like skylake in 4 or 5 months down the road.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Also with DX12 your 8 core AMD will start to pull away from the i5, if the game is coded heavily in favor of MT. The CPU will get slightly less relevant with DX12 but gaming & overall computing efficiency will certainly go up.

Thats a pretty bold claim. Specially considering all the previous failed claims about when FX CPUs would start to take of.

 

[Shehriazad]

8 cores will not give you much of a boost.

Get the FX6300 and a cheap motherboard that comes with a minimum of 4+1 phases. You aren't going for enthusiast overclocking, anyway.
And yes...the socket AM3+ is a dead end...but it's not like you have much of a choice. And a 6 threaded CPU should age "gracefully" with the arrival of DX12.
At that point even 8 cores might gain more...but that means you need to spend more money on cooling and I definitely do not recommend on that kind of CPU being OCd by a 4+1 board.


Basically you should be able to get a board for 50-70$, add a 20$ cooler, get the FX6300 and just run it at a nice bump of like 4.2-4.4 Ghz.

Don't bother about forcing it too far...that will cost you money if you want it to be stable.

GPU can be anything from GTX 960 to AMD R9 285/280X...that's totally up to you.

Case...take some cheap trash...seriously, the better cases are all mostly for style unless you invest a TON to get a case with actual enthusiast features..so it really does not matter. A plain black plastic or steel case will totally do the job.



Edit: And yes...you may take up on that 8 core offer..but you WILL have to do some OCing there...and Im not sure that the board they offer in the deal is any good for that, also you will need an aftermarket cooler. The stock coolers for the FX series are not only loud..they're inefficient. Even the E variant is not happy with the base model. In the end, your call...but once you OC the E series it's just as power hungry as the non-E series...and some cheap 4+1 board with stock cooling is NOT going to cut it. To me the E chips are sitll just the standard FX CPUs with a lowered base but the same boost clocks...those chips make like no sense to me. FX is all a bout overclocking the crap out of it. But you can just clock it back to the non-E standards, anyway.


Edit2: I think the issue with Intel is that at a price point of sub $100 you can only get dual cores? If you can actually find an offer...that's great. But even Intels dual cores with hyperthreading cost a lot more than the FX6300..at least on your comparison site...which will be from your region I guess. And that you shouldn't be buying a true dual core like a Pentium is pretty obvious. Dual Cores will only make you cry if you want to play new games...since they require patches and player fixes just to properly run as the market is finally slowly transitioning toward quad core as the minimum standard.

 

[Headfoot]

The 750w is overkill and you can save money there getting something 500-550w. Get 8GB of RAM, 4 isn't enough to game on these days. You will get error messages about low memory.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Magnus, did you consider the issue of using prosjakt prices? With multiple places of shopping your cost due to shipping goes up.

The 8320E looks be be around 1300NOK and the board 995NOK (with shipping) from 2 difference places.

You can just get a board like this:
http://www.proshop.no/Hovedkort/ASUS-H81M-E-Haswell-2423474.html

LGA1150 and under 500NOK. Then you got 1800NOK for a CPU with the same price.

1700NOK for an i5 4460:
http://www.proshop.no/Prosessor/Intel-Core-i5-4460-Haswell-Refresh-Box-2441751.html

Or 1850NOK for an i5 4590.
http://www.proshop.no/Prosessor/Intel-Core-i5-4590-Haswell-Refresh-Box-2441753.html

No need to punish yourself going AMD for nothing. It also uses much less power and a platform that isnt ancient. And you dont have to overclock to get any meaningful performance. And you can stick with stock cooler and a smaller PSU.

 

[R0H1T]

Thats a pretty bold claim. Specially considering all the previous failed claims about when FX CPUs would start to take of.

That's to be expected when we'll have games that support 6 or 8 cores with better load distribution across all of'em, tell me you haven't thought of such a scenario or that it can't ever come true?

 

[mindbomb]

you can find a phenom x6 on the used market for less than $100. They don't support avx instruction set or sse4.1 though, and that might hurt you in some applications.

 

[ShintaiDK]

That's to be expected when we'll have games that support 6 or 8 cores with better load distribution across all of'em, tell me you haven't thought of such a scenario or that it can't ever come true?

When or if? And you willing to set a date? FX CPUs have been close to taking of now for how long? Just waiting and waiting while getting slower and slower...

Consoles will code for 8 cores. How did that turn out? Or all the coding/scheduler nonsense previously. A turd is a turd, period.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

My budget is 5000NOK =(668$)

Massaging your budget a bit I was able to come up with this:

Athlon 860K:
http://www.proshop.no/Prosessor/AMD-Black-Edition-Athlon-II-X4-860K-3.7-GHz-Processor-2470274.html
Asus A78M-A:
http://www.proshop.no/Hovedkort/ASUS-A78M-A-2436860.html
4GB Crucial RAM:
http://www.proshop.no/RAM/Crucial-DDR3-1600-SC-4GB-2417767.html
KFA2 GTX960:
http://www.proshop.no/Grafikkort/KFA2-GeForce-GTX-960-OC-ITX-2GB-GDDR5-2469994.html
Crucial BX100 SSD:
http://www.proshop.no/Harddisk/Crucial-BX100-SSD-250GB-2471028.html
Corsair CX430:
http://www.proshop.no/Stroemforsyning-og-UPS/Corsair-Builder-Series-CX430-2380030.html
Cheapest Cooler Master mATX Cabinet:
http://www.proshop.no/Kabinett/Cooler-Master-Elite-342-Black-2229717.html

Grand total: 4902,- NOK

There will likely not be much overclocking, but its a pretty solid all-round system...

 

[frozentundra123456]

Thats a pretty bold claim. Specially considering all the previous failed claims about when FX CPUs would start to take of.

Agreed. At best DX12 will make FX less slower than it is now compared to an i5. I also dont think it is a good idea to decide at the outset that you want to overclock, especially considering that it sounds like the op is fairly inexperienced.

That said, with a 200.00 cpu+mb budget, I think the best choices would be either the fastest i3 you can get or an 8320e with a mild overclock.

OP, dont stress out too much. Any of these cpus with a midrange gpu will be adequate. Just dont get an APU if you are going to use a discrete card, and stay away from non-hyperthreaded intel dual cores(pentium) and "quad core" FX, i.e. FX4xxx.

 

[Yuriman]

I would definitely not buy a 750w power supply on your budget. A Corsair 430w is plenty for an Intel setup, and is half the price. You might consider going with something a little larger for an AMD system, since they use considerably more electricity, perhaps around 500w.

Based on prices on http://www.prisjakt.no/ , an FX-8320e is 1248, an FX 6300 is 999, an i3 4150 is 1052, and an i5 4570 is 1651.

You could pair either of the Intel chips with this board for 430:

http://www.prisjakt.no/product.php?p=2444720

I'm less familiar with AMD motherboards, but an i3 and that board would come out to around $200 USD.

Where did you find the deal on the 8320E + motherboard for $200? That's definitely not bad.

 

[Yuriman]

Agreed. At best DX12 will make FX less slower than it is now compared to an i5. I also dont think it is a good idea to decide at the outset that you want to overclock, especially considering that it sounds like the op is fairly inexperienced.

That said, with a 200.00 cpu+mb budget, I think the best choices would be either the fastest i3 you can get or an 8320e with a mild overclock.

OP, dont stress out too much. Any of these cpus with a midrange gpu will be adequate. Just dont get an APU if you are going to use a discrete card, and stay away from non-hyperthreaded intel dual cores(pentium) and "quad core" FX, i.e. FX4xxx.

This is excellent advice. The i3 and FX-8xxx will trade blows in modern games. The FX will draw a more power (will show up in your electricity bill) but will have a performance advantage in most non-gaming tasks. There really isn't a faster chip you can drop into your motherboard if you go the AMD route, and the i3 has the option of an i5 or i7 later on, but all said and done, neither is a bad choice. There's definitely a lot more to tinker with if you take the AMD route (and I enjoy this), while the i3 is pretty much a set-it-and-forget-it option.

 

[R0H1T]

When or if? And you willing to set a date? FX CPUs have been close to taking of now for how long? Just waiting and waiting while getting slower and slower...

Consoles will code for 8 cores. How did that turn out? Or all the coding/scheduler nonsense previously. A turd is a turd, period.

We're still talking about it in the context of this thread aren't we? An unlocked 8320e not surpassing a locked i5, that's a highly unreasonable scenario you're foretelling.

Outside of that I still expect a highly overclocked 8320e surpassing the Ivy Bridge or even Haswell i5's (unlocked) in fringe cases, in other words better coded games.

 

[R0H1T]

This is excellent advice. The i3 and FX-8xxx will trade blows in modern games. The FX will draw a more power (will show up in your electricity bill) but will have a performance advantage in most non-gaming tasks. There really isn't a faster chip you can drop into your motherboard if you go the AMD route, and the i3 has the option of an i5 or i7 later on, but all said and done, neither is a bad choice. There's definitely a lot more to tinker with if you take the AMD route (and I enjoy this), while the i3 is pretty much a set-it-and-forget-it option.

The i3 shouldn't even qualify since it's not a native quad core, next gen games are already highly taxing & if you're going with anything less than an i5 I'd call it a step back not up, from whatever he has atm.

 

[Yuriman]

The i3 shouldn't even qualify since it's not a native quad core, next gen games are already highly taxing & if you're going with anything less than an i5 I'd call it a step back not up, from whatever he has atm.

The benchmarks say otherwise, take a look at the charts I posted on the previous page. A Haswell i3 beats an equally clocked FX 6-core 9 times out of 10 in games that have come out in the last 6 months. Even a heavily overclocked FX-6 only trades blows with an i3, and in that case you're spending more and will still have a motherboard with fewer modern features. Mantle/DX12 benches are also showing a larger percent increase in performance (on average) on i3's than on AMD chips.

 

[R0H1T]

The benchmarks say otherwise, take a look at the charts I posted on the previous page. A Haswell i3 beats an equally clocked FX 6-core 9 times out of 10 in games that have come out in the last 6 months. Even a heavily overclocked FX-6 only trades blows with an i3. Mantle/DX12 benches are also showing a larger percent increase in performance (on average) on i3's than on AMD chips.

This isn't just about the i3 vs FX, dual core+HT is incredibly poor value in that space. The i3 is just going to drag him in the next year or two especially in gaming, if overclocking is an option then it's understandable but otherwise the i3 is just for saving your power bill.

 

[ShintaiDK]

The i3 2100 is still making jokes on the FX expense. And thats a 4 year old i3.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Hey OP just wondering if you'd ever consider a Pentium g3258 they can be had very cheap and overclock like crazy and keep you in the up to date cpu's for a very low cost.
You might want to check into one of those. Just a thought.

 

[R0H1T]

The i3 2100 is still making jokes on the FX expense. And thats a 4 year old i3.

Would you buy that personally if you were the OP, if not then why bring it up? Does the same i3 also encode vidoes 2x as fast, since you must presume that the OP will not do anything remotely heavy or overly MT

 

[Yuriman]

Would you buy that personally if you were the OP, if not then why bring it up? Does the same i3 also encode vidoes 2x as fast, since you must presume that the OP will not do anything remotely heavy or overly MT

If you're fine with the quality of Quicksync, then yes it does encode twice as fast.

Haswell i3's are in the range of 30-40% faster than Sandy Bridge, because of improvements in IPC and HT. An i3 4xxx is similar in performance to a stock Sandy Bridge i5.

 

[R0H1T]

If you're fine with the quality of Quicksync, then yes it does encode twice as fast.

Haswell i3's are in the range of 30-40% faster than Sandy Bridge, because of improvements in IPC and HT. An i3 4xxx is similar in performance to a stock Sandy Bridge i5.

What about OC? The OP should decide what suits his needs & fits the budget but if he wants the former than Intel is currently out of his range.
Besides with a dGPU he'll get faster encoding, if hw acceleration is supported by the application, & better results so that makes QS pointless.

 

[magnus3142]

Well i dont even know, because i see each of you have your own opinion and preference. Also what im trying to do is to get some parts permament and some temporary. As an example i rather buy some of my system parts with better quality newier and some just have temporary until i can get something better. My plan was getting cheap cpu and more expensive gpu so after 6 months i could upgrade cpu and motherboard and still have my gpu for longer time. Also u said that gpu degrading faster than cpu so probably its not that good idea to start with kinda more expensive gpu?
Also some mentioned that i should build balanced and if i have good gpu and bad cpu system get unbalanced and i wont have any great performance out of gpu. I wish i could be same smart as u and udnerstand what is IPC and HT, encode, quicksync ofc i have googled it but still very confusing about it when i have never thought before about building tower.
So what can i do about permament and temporary components? Or its totaly out of my budget? Like for example i was thinking to get 750W supply just because on the further upgrading in the future.
Also http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-FX-8320E-vs-AMD-Athlon-X4-860K these 2 cpus were mentioned here. Can u tell me why octa cpu will be better if the score is almsot the same but price is doubled?
R0H1T said - "Also with DX12 your 8 core AMD will start to pull away from the i5, if the game is coded heavily in favor of MT. The CPU will get slightly less relevant with DX12 but gaming & overall computing efficiency will certainly go up." Will it go that much up compared to the price?

What is the closest to 200$ intel cpu and mother board i can get? (I mean if i go over 200)
G3258 maybe would go for my budget but i feel like i can get something better instead that is OCable.
Also this site www.cpuboss.com can i trust the scores it gives?
Does amd without after marked cooling (watercooling) prone to overheat? In specs intel has much higher temp resistance.

 

[Headfoot]

CPU boss is junk, don't bother with it.

Get the i3 if those prices listed above are true. Don't get the G3258, you need at least 4 threads for today's games.

The 960 and 285 are terrible value, just really bad purchases all around. If you're willing, look on eBay or equivalent bidding site for used cards -- GTX 780, R9 290, R9 280x, R9 280. If you get one of those faster cards on eBay, bump the power supply up to 500-550w minimum.

Get 8 GB of RAM.

 

[magnus3142]

CPU boss is junk, don't bother with it.

Get the i3 if those prices listed above are true. Don't get the G3258, you need at least 4 threads for today's games.

The 960 and 285 are terrible value, just really bad purchases all around. If you're willing, look on eBay or equivalent bidding site for used cards -- GTX 780, R9 290, R9 280x, R9 280. If you get one of those faster cards on eBay, bump the power supply up to 500-550w minimum.

Get 8 GB of RAM.

Well someone said aswell that i need at least 4 cores for today's gaming.
thanks for tip
Also i dont really trust used things if i dont know who im buying from, dont want risk even with 100$ to buy not working gpu.