AMD Desktop Roadmap 2016-2017

[Sweepr]

http://benchlife.info/amd-apu-platform-will-add-zen-cpu-architecture-in-2017-06182015/

Cat cores are dead (bye bye Mullins/Beema). Dual-core Excavator/Zen for low-end now.
8-core Summit Ridge confirmed as (up to) 95W TDP.
Introducing Zen CPU for highly threaded applications.
Power efficiency without sacrificing performance.
No Summit Ridge Replacement in 2017.
Zen APUs sometime in 2017 but no info on the iGPU side yet (no word on HBM either).
2-year longevity for each platform (like Intel does?).

 

[Arachnotronic]

Interesting find!

 

[waffleironhead]

Doubt they would have released a slide with "stoney ridge" covered up with 5 cores.

 

[JDG1980]

That's a weird icon they're using for Zen in the first roadmap chart. What is it supposed to signify?

I guess we now have a code name for the first Zen APU: "Raven Ridge". I suspect the lack of information on the number of CPU and GPU cores is because AMD doesn't know themselves just yet; this project is probably in its early stages, and the results will depend on how the GloFo/Samsung 14nm FinFET process pans out. But it would be very disappointing if Raven Ridge didn't have HBM2. That's really the only thing that can make an APU competitive with discrete GPUs.

Summit Ridge is an odd product. Given AMD's limited R&D budget, and the fact that both the construction equipment cores and 28nm are near end-of-life, making a new desktop/laptop Excavator APU seems a strange use of resources. Is this really going to be at all competitive? Wouldn't that money have been better spent on a new dGPU or two to stop the bleeding in the low to mid range space?

I wonder what "Excavator Gen 2" means. Will there be any substantial improvements over the 1st-generation Excavator cores in Carrizo? Again, that seems a bit odd that they would spend resources on further refining a CPU core architecture that has been admitted to be an abysmal failure and that will be phased out soon.

 

[JDG1980]

Doubt they would have released a slide with "stoney ridge" covered up with 5 cores.

Big companies make mistakes, too. Some amateurish looking slides about the GPU 300 series release turned out to be accurate, while the very professional looking Zen "leaks" a few months back were proven to be fake on Financial Analyst Day.

 

[Rickyyy369]

Obviously whoever made these fake slides didn't see AMD's official roadmap, which shows future CPUs and APUs on socket AM4, not FM3. Nice try.. I guess? Obviously fake.

 

[DrMrLordX]

This roadmap looks like it fits rumours that have been leaking since March. So we do get Excavator on AM4/FM3/whatevertheyregonnacallit. No word on if that variant of Bristol Ridge will have the on-die FCH disabled, or simply no on-die FCH at all (all they do is mention Promontory). Also no mention if they're going UniDIMM, and they don't mention process tech at all.

edit: it's possible that the slide is legit, and that some people may still be calling AM4 FM3 interally. All the leaks from earlier this year regarding Summit Ridge and Bristol Ridge had it listed as FM3. Only recently did they change the name in any publicly-available slides.

 

[mikk]

Obviously whoever made these fake slides didn't see AMD's official roadmap, which shows future CPUs and APUs on socket AM4, not FM3. Nice try.. I guess? Obviously fake.

Obviously FM3 was the old name and it changed to AM4 recently.

 

[Sweepr]

According to some other Bench-life article Summit Ridge is a Q4/2016 product (October). We could very well be looking at H2-2017 for Raven Ridge. I expect Intel to have an Iris Pro GT4e (or better) Cannonlake SKU and a bunch of Icelake parts by then. AMD needs HBM for this chip.

''Introducing Zen CPU for highly threaded applications.
Power efficiency without sacrificing performance.''

Up to 95W TDP, highly threaded applications, power efficiency focus. Until proven otherwise I'm not confident this chip will provide 8-core Haswell-E performance like some fanboys are suggesting. And if it does I'm pretty sure AMD will price it accordingly.

 

[Fjodor2001]

According to some other Bench-life article Summit Ridge is a Q4/2016 product (October). We could very well be looking at H2-2017 for Raven Ridge. I expect Intel to have an Iris Pro GT4e (or better) Cannonlake SKU and a bunch of Icelake parts by then. AMD needs HBM for this chip.

Hmm... Cannonlake is expected 2017, Icelake will be later.

AMD APUs with Zen 4/8 cores + latest AMD GPU cores + HBM should be very competitive in 2017.

 

[Sweepr]

Hmm... Cannonlake is expected 2017, Icelake will be later.

AMD APUs with Zen 4/8 cores + latest AMD GPU cores + HBM should be very competitive in 2017.

The fact that Cannonlake comes in 2017 doesn't mean Icelake will be delayed in all segments. They could very well cancel or release limited desktop Cannonlake parts and still have desktop Icelake parts in the market in 2017. Just like Broadwell-K and Skylake-S. If we were to believe your Intel doom predictions there would be no desktop Skylake-S till 2016 or 2017 because of a limited Broadwell-K desktop launch in Q2.

Again, no word on HBM. iGPU performance crown belongs to Intel for the next 2 years (at least). But don't worry, there's still room for lower performing 28nm AMD APUs in lower price brackets (unless Intel puts GT3e/GT4e in a <$200 dual-core).

 

[mikk]

The fact that Cannonlake comes in 2017 doesn't mean Icelake will be delayed in all segments. They could very well cancel or release limited desktop Cannonlake parts and still have desktop Icelake parts in the market in 2017. -S till 2016 or 2017 because of a limited Broadwell-K desktop launch in Q2.

What about Kabylake (Gen10 graphics)?

 

[frozentundra123456]

Well the igpu crown belongs to intel if you want to pay enough for it. If they are serious about igpu, they should make gt3e standard for i3 and everything above, both mobile and desktop, and keep prices where they are now. Then make gt4e standard in higher wattage mobile processors. The way it works now, seems like the best igpus are only available in segments where most want a dgpu anyway. Except for Apple of course. If they are not going to us die shrinks for "moar cores", they could at least widen the availability of the best igps.

As for AMD, who knows when we will see zen APUs, which ones will have HBM, and how expensive they will have to be to pay for 8gb of HBM, which will be what they have to have unless they figure out a way to use DDR4 for system ram and HBM for graphics.

 

[Sweepr]

What about Kabylake (Gen10 graphics)?

Is that Icelake?

 

[Arachnotronic]

What about Kabylake (Gen10 graphics)?

Are you sure KabyLake is a CPU core codename? From this roadmap here it just looks like the name of the Skylake-E (not EP) PCH:

 

[Arachnotronic]

The fact that Cannonlake comes in 2017 doesn't mean Icelake will be delayed in all segments. They could very well cancel or release limited desktop Cannonlake parts and still have desktop Icelake parts in the market in 2017. Just like Broadwell-K and Skylake-S. If we were to believe your Intel doom predictions there would be no desktop Skylake-S till 2016 or 2017 because of a limited Broadwell-K desktop launch in Q2.

Again, no word on HBM. iGPU performance crown belongs to Intel for the next 2 years (at least). But don't worry, there's still room for lower performing 28nm AMD APUs in lower price brackets (unless Intel puts GT3e/GT4e in a <$200 dual-core).

Sweepr, I think Intel originally intended to bring Cannonlake to mainstream DT:

via WCCFTech http://wccftech.com/intels-cannonla...ue-2016-compatible-union-bay-union-point-pch/

 

[Sweepr]

Sweepr, I think Intel originally intended to bring Cannonlake to mainstream DT:

via WCCFTech http://wccftech.com/intels-cannonla...ue-2016-compatible-union-bay-union-point-pch/

That might have changed by now but if they do, I hope it doesn't affect Icelake's launch schedule (just like Broadwell-K/Skylake-S). LGA1151 users deserve a proper refresh though.

 

[Arachnotronic]

That might have changed by now but if they do, I hope it doesn't affect Icelake's launch schedule (just like Broadwell-K/Skylake-S). LGA1151 users deserve a proper refresh though.

Agreed. I am hoping the silliness with "Haswell Refresh" does not repeat.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Agreed. I am hoping the silliness with "Haswell Refresh" does not repeat.

It will. Both AMD and Intel does it now. Desktop is just the bottom of the pack.

 

[mikk]

Is that Icelake?

I don't know. Intel could have renamed Icelake into Kabylake but given that Kabylake comes with Gen10 gfx I doubt it, also the chipset device numbers doesn't look something like a Tock. I wonder if Kabylake is a refresh on 14nm (because of 10nm delays?).

Are you sure KabyLake is a CPU core codename? From this roadmap here it just looks like the name of the Skylake-E (not EP) PCH:

I'm pretty sure because Intel is pretty clear about it in their graphics driver. A full lineup from desktop, mobile, server belongs to Kabylake.

And this doesn't sound PCH related either:

Completed the uArchitect for the calibration, voltage margin, gray code converter, and clock detector designs and had done the implementation in Verilog in the digital clock controllers for Skylake, CanonLake, KabyLake

https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewlui2008

 

[Arachnotronic]

I don't know. Intel could have renamed Icelake into Kabylake but given that Kabylake comes with Gen10 gfx I doubt it, also the chipset device numbers doesn't look something like a Tock. I wonder if Kabylake is a refresh on 14nm (because of 10nm delays?).





I'm pretty sure because Intel is pretty clear about it in their graphics driver. A full lineup from desktop, mobile, server belongs to Kabylake.

And this doesn't sound PCH related either:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewlui2008

Very good find, mikk. Thank you.

So this means that the Skylake-E (1S WS) will use the "Kaby Lake PCH" meaning that it will possibly share socket infrastructure with the Kaby Lake mainstream CPUs.

Perhaps we are witnessing the convergence of mainstream/HEDT sockets?

Also, if KabyLake has Gen 10 GPU, I don't think it will be a 14nm part. Sounds like a 10nm part.

 

[CriticalOne]

Now that backwards compatibility is in no way a concern right now with the new Zen CPUs hopefully AMD can use this as a chance to implement a LGA socket.

 

[NTMBK]

Smells fake...

 

[Erenhardt]

AMD roadmap theads are the best place to find intel product roadmaps :thumbsup:

 

[mikk]

Also, if KabyLake has Gen 10 GPU, I don't think it will be a 14nm part. Sounds like a 10nm part.

Not necessarily. Some Purley models will get Cannonlake graphics and this is surely a 14nm part. This proves Intel can mix 14nm with a next generation GPU.