AMD Excavator on 28 nm, some production moving back to GF?

[itsmydamnation]

modules aren't the problem. the wider the floating point unit becomes the more worthwhile doing modules is. the problem is simply one of performance.

 

[norseamd]

(I really hope not, because I want them to ship an APU with the big CPU cores, GDDR5 and a PS4 size GPU. But that's just wishful thinking.)

that would be more of a soc. there wee supposed to release a smaller version of the ps4 chip without propietary sony technology a while ago. not sure if they are still planning on doing it. a soc with 8 excavator cores a ps4 sized gpu and gddr5 would be great in my opinion. add a next generation gcn 2.0 290x replacement and that would be amazing.

thinking about if the a10-7850 is actually more powerful than the fx 8350. with full software support how powerful do you think hsa is

 

[bullzz]

@Fjodor2001 - intel's roadmap secretive? we know names of core family till 2016 and atom family till 2015 . no other company has been more transparent

 

[norseamd]

modules aren't the problem. the wider the floating point unit becomes the more worthwhile doing modules is. the problem is simply one of performance.

using the gpu to do fpu is the goal right

 

[norseamd]

@Fjodor2001 - intel's roadmap secretive? we know names of core family till 2016 and atom family till 2015 . no other company has been more transparent

transparant is a horrible word to use with intel. they are the big established cpu maker and they can afford to release the plans ahead without the competition having a huge ability to counter them. seems investors might want to know the roadmap anyways

 

[NTMBK]

that would be more of a soc. there wee supposed to release a smaller version of the ps4 chip without propietary sony technology a while ago. not sure if they are still planning on doing it.

As far as I'm aware, that rumour was based on a misinterpreted quote from AMD. They said something along the lines of "we have APUs coming out based on the same tech as the next gen consoles", referring to Jaguar and GCN cores which have obviously been reused in Kabini and Kaveri, but people assumed that this meant that there would be a cut down console chip.

 

[Fjodor2001]

@Fjodor2001 - intel's roadmap secretive? we know names of core family till 2016 and atom family till 2015 . no other company has been more transparent

Well how much use is just knowing names of coming CPUs? Does it matter if they are named Skylake or Skysea?

I'd like to know some technical details about those CPUs, which is what actually matters. And so far not much is known about Broadwell, and even less about later CPUs.

 

[NTMBK]

Well how much use is just knowing names of coming CPUs? Does it matter if they are named Skylake or Skysea?

I'd like to know some technical details about those CPUs, which is what actually matters. And so far not much is known about Broadwell, and even less about later CPUs.

The reference for AVX-512 has been published, explaining in great detail the new 512-bit wide SIMD which is supported in Skylake.

 

[norseamd]

so how much performance will these new instructions bring anyways.

this is related to dark silicon right

 

[el etro]

It's modules all the way down.

MOAR Modules(i don't resist it).

It has been relegated to the low end of Intel's offerings, a 2nd class citizen.

The inverse of what happened with Athlon(except of becoming the 2nd class processor)...

 

[witeken]

I'd like to know some technical details about those CPUs, which is what actually matters. And so far not much is known about Broadwell, and even less about later CPUs.

I think there is quite some information known about Broadwell, if you look at Wikipedia or all the news since September. We even know its die size (80mm² for Broadwell-Y). Not sure if you know such things about Qualcomm's 2015 products.

 

[Phynaz]

Well how much use is just knowing names of coming CPUs? Does it matter if they are named Skylake or Skysea?

I'd like to know some technical details about those CPUs, which is what actually matters. And so far not much is known about Broadwell, and even less about later CPUs.

You aren't trying very hard if you can't find a ton of info about Broadwell. Sounds like you're wanting it to be spoon fed the info. In that case you'll have to wait for launch and the easily digested bits published in reviews.

 

[jpiniero]

So you're saying in less than 2 years AMD will just be GPUs, low-end notebook APUs, and ARM stuff? FX-line, desktop APUs, and server CPUs will all discontinued? I don't think that's a realistic scenario.

The Construction Equipment line doesn't make sense in a time where power efficiency/low power matters. AMD doesn't really have the money to fix this either, so their answer is to go to ARM.

 

[Homeles]

You aren't trying very hard if you can't find a ton of info about Broadwell. Sounds like you're wanting it to be spoon fed the info. In that case you'll have to wait for launch and the easily digested bits published in reviews.

I strongly disagree. There's a real dearth of information out there on Broadwell. Intel used to be a very open company, and they've closed off considerably under new management.

 

[Fjodor2001]

You aren't trying very hard if you can't find a ton of info about Broadwell. Sounds like you're wanting it to be spoon fed the info. In that case you'll have to wait for launch and the easily digested bits published in reviews.

I'm comparing to what info was available at this time before launch for previous Intel CPU generations. And then there's clearly a lack of information nowadays.

 

[Abwx]

I'd like to know some technical details about those CPUs, which is what actually matters. And so far not much is known about Broadwell, and even less about later CPUs.

Then do a thread about it.......

 

[Fjodor2001]

Then do a thread about it.......

No point, since there's almost no info known. And what little is known has already been discussed in other threads.

Having said that, now let's move back on topic.

 

[witeken]

I strongly disagree. There's a real dearth of information out there on Broadwell. Intel used to be a very open company, and they've closed off considerably under new management.

I'm curious, what kind of information do you want?

 

[inf64]

For a second I was confused and thought I misclicked and entered the Broadwell thread. Then I saw it had Excavator in the title and realized I was in the topic I wanted with ton of unrelated posts about Broadwell. Oh well.

 

[Homeles]

Yes, we know how badly the AMD-enthused like to suppress any talk about Intel, and vice-versa. Shame we can't grow up and get along.

Instead, we're punished for having a conversation -- for having a discussion. This all happening in a forum, which quite literally is a place to discuss things.

Asinine, all of it.

Instead of, you know, reading the damn thread, and trying to understand the context behind what and why people are saying what they are, we get some smartass quip about from someone who clearly failed to do either -- someone who is clearly disinterested with and biased against the current topic of conversation.

It's so dumb that online forums in general are so unidirectional. There's this moronic preconception that all conversations are static, and everyone must stay on topic, or they're a sinning rulebreaker.

Then a moderator comes in and enforces these ridiculous misconceptions, and the conversation dies. Learning ceases.

I don't know what world you guys live in, but when people converse here on Earth -- be it in person, or on the internet -- the topics change.

Discussions are dynamic. Get over it.

 

[inf64]

I disagree. I came here because I thought there is more information about EX core. What I see is a page full of posts that have nothing to do with EX or GloFo. If you want to discuss Broadwell, by all means go ahead and make a topic and discuss it til the end of time. My point is that this is not "suppression of knowledge" as how you like to put it but just a plea to stop posting unrelated stuff in what was supposed to be a news topic about Excavator.

There is no limit about posting new topics as far as I know. Post a new Broadwell topic now and it will solve the issue with off topic in what should have been EX news thread.

 

[witeken]

I'm curious, what kind of information do you want?

I think you missed my comment?

BTW, I was reading an AMA with someone from Intel, and stumbled across this comment:

AMD had to sell their fabs, otherwise they wouldn't be in business today. There are advantages to having fabs. You'll see many things, especially with Broadwell, that you cannot do without owning a fab.
The design issues we see today are things that happened a year, maybe a year-and-a-half, ago. But they were falling behind behind and it's hard to recover.

Edit: I just read "I think the tech community will be very pleasantly surprised with Broadwell." in the same AMA. This surprises me from a relatively simple die shrink; it isn't easy to know what you want to know.

 

[Homeles]

I think you missed my comment?

BTW, I was reading an AMA with someone from Intel, and stumbled across this comment:

I didn't miss it. I just didn't want to continue derailing the thread.

But some guy started complaining about the thread being off topic, when he knows damn well that all that amounts to is further thread derailment. You're supposed to report and move on -- not complain that people aren't worshipping your brand of religion.

 

[witeken]

I didn't miss it. I just didn't want to continue derailing the thread.

Strange to hear after reading a comment that ends with "Discussions are dynamic. Get over it.".

 

[inf64]

@ Homeless

Thanks for the advice, I just did that. Hopefully it will do the trick.